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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVike View Post
    I don't agree at all. Dude disrespected the man in charge in front of other players, who, have voiced their disappointment. In any Organization, that disrespectful behavior simply cannot be tolerated...PERIOD. If he isn't part of the Team, or, the Program, then, he needs to go. The Vikings don't owe him anything, and, would be fucking crazy to show a player that displayed what appears to be the biggest disrespect of all, blowing up, leaving the Team, going home, which, basically forced the Vikes to put him on IR. What part of that scenario indicates to you that Harvin "deserves" the money. The Vikings players, coaches, us fans, and the front office deserve better.

    If the report is erroneous (which, I doubt), then, I see it your way. If it is accurate, it is simple, he needs to go.
    I'm with you on this one.

    Besides, it is moot. We are simply seeing posturing by Harvin in response to the team planning on shopping him. Harvin is simply making it known that any trade will need to come with a new contract. Not unusual or surprising.

    It does tell me that Harvin is gone though.
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    Harvin to be traded?

    Sansaverse suggested Harvin straight up for Fitzgerald? Think Arizona would do it? Thoughts??
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    Harvin doesn't want to go to training camp. He'll hold out.
    But he will sign an extension 3 weeks in, and all will be well.
    Percy will get his extension but not as much as he hoped for.
    He'll be a Viking for a long time.

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    My guess is the Vikings pulled a "Culpepper" on him. IMO, when he was unhappy at camp, Spielman promised him they'd work it out during the season & get him the extension & new contract done if he just came into camp & played ball during the season while it was getting done.

    Harvin's hold out at camp was brief & he held up his end of the bargain, Spielman gave him the shaft & played him like a fiddle, perhaps never intending to give him a new contract during 2012, but rather saying he would just to get him in camp & playing.

    After Harvin got injured, I think he refused to play without that new contract he was promised. Either Spielman had no intention on giving it to him in 2012 or backed out of the deal when Harvin got hurt. With the stalemate in place, Frazier had no choice but to put Harvin on IR even though my gut feel tells me he was ready to play.

    The tirade he had with Frasier was probably about him not getting what was promised him.

    Like I said way back, the fact they didn't redo Harvin's contract during the year in 2012 probably meant it would be too late to do it during 2013.

    I don't think Harvin failed us, I think Spielman failed Harvin. They probably could have given him the extension & money for a whole lot less back in July than it would cost them now. Harvin would have been happy & the locker room tirade could have been avoided.

    Spielman gambled with our 2nd best player & lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVike View Post
    I don't agree at all. Dude disrespected the man in charge in front of other players, who, have voiced their disappointment. In any Organization, that disrespectful behavior simply cannot be tolerated...PERIOD. If he isn't part of the Team, or, the Program, then, he needs to go. The Vikings don't owe him anything, and, would be fucking crazy to show a player that displayed what appears to be the biggest disrespect of all, blowing up, leaving the Team, going home, which, basically forced the Vikes to put him on IR. What part of that scenario indicates to you that Harvin "deserves" the money. The Vikings players, coaches, us fans, and the front office deserve better.
    Depends on who disrespected who first.

    If Spielman/Frazier/Vikings promised him an extension in 2012 with more money just to get him into camp & play football, then stabbed him in the back & didn't give it to him, then it was the Vikings that disrespected Harvin.

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    Sounds to me like Harvin is a big fan of Frazier's. Perhaps the locker room incident is being blown out of proportion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    Perhaps the locker room incident is being blown out of proportion.

    That never happens!

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    Interesting trade proposal:

    Percy Harvin - Minnesota Vikings - 2013 Player Profile

    The Tacoma News Tribune wonders if the Vikings and Seahawks would be interested in a trade centered around Percy Harvin and Matt Flynn.

    You can bet the Seahawks would be interested, but Minnesota would have to get at least a second-rounder back in the deal, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    My guess is the Vikings pulled a "Culpepper" on him. IMO, when he was unhappy at camp, Spielman promised him they'd work it out during the season & get him the extension & new contract done if he just came into camp & played ball during the season while it was getting done.

    Harvin's hold out at camp was brief & he held up his end of the bargain, Spielman gave him the shaft & played him like a fiddle, perhaps never intending to give him a new contract during 2012, but rather saying he would just to get him in camp & playing.

    After Harvin got injured, I think he refused to play without that new contract he was promised. Either Spielman had no intention on giving it to him in 2012 or backed out of the deal when Harvin got hurt. With the stalemate in place, Frazier had no choice but to put Harvin on IR even though my gut feel tells me he was ready to play.

    The tirade he had with Frasier was probably about him not getting what was promised him.

    Like I said way back, the fact they didn't redo Harvin's contract during the year in 2012 probably meant it would be too late to do it during 2013.

    I don't think Harvin failed us, I think Spielman failed Harvin. They probably could have given him the extension & money for a whole lot less back in July than it would cost them now. Harvin would have been happy & the locker room tirade could have been avoided.

    Spielman gambled with our 2nd best player & lost.
    You are REALLY reaching and making a lot of assumptions here. That is an awful lot of effort just to try and blame everything on Spielman. Do you really not see the confirmation bias here?

    Let's recap...

    1) You believe that Spielman made a promise to Harvin that they would work on a contract extension if Harvin came to camp and played during the season.

    - This is an assumption, but not outside the realm of possibility.

    2) You then believe that Spielman "played Harvin like a fiddle" and that he only told Harvin that to get him into camp and playing.

    - Now we start departing from reality... Let's take a break here and ask ourselves why on earth anyone would do that? If you and I are smart enough to know that this would alienate a great player as well as every other player in the locker room, I would assume that the front office staff is as well. Anyway...

    3) You then believed that Harvin then refused to play after he got injured until he got a new contract

    - Another break here - even if that were the case... why? Harvin isn't helping his case any with either the Vikings or with any other team. It shows a player who refuses to honor his contractual obligations.

    4) You now believe that Spielman either backed out of the deal or never intended to work on Harvin's contract.

    - Again, why? What would that accomplish? And don't you think that Harvin or other players would be making noise if this was the case?

    5) Frazier then "is forced" to put Harvin on IR even though Harvin was ready to play.

    - Another break from logic here. Frazier isn't forced to put a player on IR ever. If Harvin is refusing to play, then he deactivates from the roster, subsequently missing game checks. It is the same as a hold out at the beginning of the season. There is no need to put Harvin on IR.

    6) The tirade he had with Frazier was about Harvin not getting what was promised him.

    - Not only is the "promise" an assumption, but this isn't the first time Harvin has exploded against a coach. He grabbed offensive coordinator Billy Gonzales by the neck and threw him to the ground while in college. Two assistants had to pull Harvin off from Gonzales. He got into an heated argument with Childress on the practice field after Moss's release. He got into TWO blowups with Frazier - one caught on camera on the sidelines, and one in the training room at Winter Park. And yet you think these are all Spielman's fault?

    Come on now, this doesn't even pass the common sense test.

    I can agree that Spielman and Harvin probably agreed to have more contract talks during the season. However, Harvin barely made it halfway through the season. He was hurt in week 9...

    Is contract part of it? Probably, but not all of it. I don't even think it is most of it. I hope the Vikings trade him, because honestly I don't want to see the team reward someone who lets the rest of the players down by refusing to play and has no respect for coaches.

    He is a great player, just let him be a great player on some other team. I would rather have the draft picks...
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    Problem is, he would only fetch a second round pick at best and perhaps only a third.
    Unless there is a player the Vikings really want involved in the trade, I believe the Vikings will find a way to extend him.
    Singer thinks he should have been extended last year but that's not the way the Vikings usually do things.

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