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    If I remember right it came down to money. He wanted more money in his contract and they were not going to give him what he wanted do they traded him for picks before he became a problem,

    I think after they called him on it and traded him he realized what he lost and wished he had just taken what they were offering him to stay where he liked playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    Doesn't mean anything. Palmer was under a contract when he got his wish & was traded. We got Moss back when he wanted out of NE. Other players have done it as well. They simply demand a trade & state they won't play if they don't.
    Those are good points, but they were with players who were MUCH older and could AFFORD to sit out. If we sit Percy down right now and tell him we are willing to eat it next year and the year after that with a franchise tag then he will have no choice but to play.

    Now for it to be in good faith, we should certainly begin discussing longterm options for him to remain in purple. But it is simple. He CANNOT leave our team for the next two years without us letting him and he KNOWS this. That is why he wants a longterm deal or out ... we should work on the later.

    He is going to make $1.55 million next season. If we are willing to franchise him in 2014, that will be a tag of about $10 million. So, sit him down and tell him. He can waste away and get $11.55 million over the next two years, or we can work a deal where we sign him for 7 years (he is only 24 afterall), $60 million, with something like $42 of that guaranteed. There is no logical reason for us to not pay him that, he will be well worth it. There would be no logical reason for he and his agent to say no to that, because it greatly increases his guaranteed money RIGHT now.

    Plenty of players can sit and pout and get what they want, it definitely happens. And sure, if we got a dumb offer for him like the Patriots got from us and the Bengals certainly got from the Raiders, then we entertain it. But we simply are not going to get fair value for him. So, you pay him. It is the smart thing to do for this franchise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    Those are good points, but they were with players who were MUCH older and could AFFORD to sit out. If we sit Percy down right now and tell him we are willing to eat it next year and the year after that with a franchise tag then he will have no choice but to play.

    Now for it to be in good faith, we should certainly begin discussing longterm options for him to remain in purple. But it is simple. He CANNOT leave our team for the next two years without us letting him and he KNOWS this. That is why he wants a longterm deal or out ... we should work on the later.

    He is going to make $1.55 million next season. If we are willing to franchise him in 2014, that will be a tag of about $10 million. So, sit him down and tell him. He can waste away and get $11.55 million over the next two years, or we can work a deal where we sign him for 7 years (he is only 24 afterall), $60 million, with something like $42 of that guaranteed. There is no logical reason for us to not pay him that, he will be well worth it. There would be no logical reason for he and his agent to say no to that, because it greatly increases his guaranteed money RIGHT now.

    Plenty of players can sit and pout and get what they want, it definitely happens. And sure, if we got a dumb offer for him like the Patriots got from us and the Bengals certainly got from the Raiders, then we entertain it. But we simply are not going to get fair value for him. So, you pay him. It is the smart thing to do for this franchise.
    They should have paid him last year & they damn well better pay him before FA hits or at least know with 100% confidence he will return.

    Otherwise Ricky boy is going to get caught with his pants down if TC rolls around & he first finds out Harvin wants out or will sit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    Those are good points, but they were with players who were MUCH older and could AFFORD to sit out. If we sit Percy down right now and tell him we are willing to eat it next year and the year after that with a franchise tag then he will have no choice but to play.

    Now for it to be in good faith, we should certainly begin discussing longterm options for him to remain in purple. But it is simple. He CANNOT leave our team for the next two years without us letting him and he KNOWS this. That is why he wants a longterm deal or out ... we should work on the later.

    He is going to make $1.55 million next season. If we are willing to franchise him in 2014, that will be a tag of about $10 million. So, sit him down and tell him. He can waste away and get $11.55 million over the next two years, or we can work a deal where we sign him for 7 years (he is only 24 afterall), $60 million, with something like $42 of that guaranteed. There is no logical reason for us to not pay him that, he will be well worth it. There would be no logical reason for he and his agent to say no to that, because it greatly increases his guaranteed money RIGHT now.

    Plenty of players can sit and pout and get what they want, it definitely happens. And sure, if we got a dumb offer for him like the Patriots got from us and the Bengals certainly got from the Raiders, then we entertain it. But we simply are not going to get fair value for him. So, you pay him. It is the smart thing to do for this franchise.
    Good points to be sure! I like the way you think...Way to go Priceline Negotiator!!

    But $42 guaranteed is too much given the history of head (ache and/or case) and his style of play with its propensity for injury. But, I smell what you're stepping in, and signing bonus this year with a lower salary number and then guaranteeing the 2nd year as well sounds completely reasonable, and as you pointed out, puts way more money in his pocket now!

    Wow. Just had a glimpse of what "off" season means for ole Ricky boy and his team of scouts etc...

    1. breakdown the team player by player, nail down which FAs we need to keep and who might need to go now
    2. scouting other teams FAs, that opens first week of March
    3. scouting rookies, watching bowl games and star-games (like Senior Bowl), combine etc etc etc
    4. DRAFT correctly!
    5. Work the UDFAs to your advantage
    6. Then, maybe, time opens up for considering resigning and/or restructuring our guys who are under contract, ie. Harvin. And Fraizier. Sorry Charlie, but they be busy right now!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    Moss liked playing there & I remember what he did after we played them, but he still wanted out because he felt unwanted. Just because you forgot, doesn't mean someone else is making shit up.





    New England Patriots trade WR Randy Moss to Minnesota Vikings - ESPN Boston

    I love unnamed sources. They are great sources for the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    They should have paid him last year & they damn well better pay him before FA hits or at least know with 100% confidence he will return.

    Otherwise Ricky boy is going to get caught with his pants down if TC rolls around & he first finds out Harvin wants out or will sit.
    Why should they have paid him last year?
    They will try to pay him this year. I expect Harvin to drag his feet and miss most of training camp, but Harvin really has little leverage at this point.
    Spielman doesn't have to trade him and fully realizes, what he could get in a trade, wouldn't possibly replace what he already has with Harvin.
    I agree with Midge on this one. Harvin isn't going anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PackSux! View Post
    I love unnamed sources. They are great sources for the truth.
    Citing an anonymous source "with direct knowledge of the discussions between the two parties," ESPN reported Tuesday that quarterback Brett Favre is scheduled to meet with Minnesota Vikings coach Brad Childress later this week about a possible comeback.
    Yeah, that never happened. *rolls eyes*

    Citing an unnamed source close to Brett Favre, Fox is reporting that the Minnesota Vikings quarterback has admitted to leaving voicemails for a sideline reporter while he was at the New York Jets
    Well that one never happened, oh wait!.....

    Brett Favre admits leaving voicemails but denies sending naked pics
    Brett Favre admits leaving voicemails for former Jets reporter Jenn Sterger, but denies sending racy pictures - NYPOST.com

    Ooops another one!

    It seems like Randy Moss may not be completely retired. According to an anonymous source, Moss may return to the NFL if the right opportunity presented itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainviking View Post
    Good points to be sure! I like the way you think...Way to go Priceline Negotiator!!
    It's nice in theory, but don't think it's going to work quite that way. There's no guarantee they'd franchise him in 2014 so he's guaranteed nothing other than next years money & I don't think he's as stupid as Culpepper to "Wait until the end of the year & we'll talk contract". Plus franchising Harvin hits him with that $10 million hit in the same year JA & Robison become FA's. A contract last year could have used some of last years cap surplus to ink a deal with a salary increase that was more spread out over the next several years.

    Quote Originally Posted by mountainviking View Post
    But $42 guaranteed is too much given the history of head (ache and/or case) and his style of play with its propensity for injury.
    The headaches are ancient history. Gone, done, resolved. Also, he missed little game time because of them. In total before last year, he missed 3 games in 3 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by mountainviking View Post
    But, I smell what you're stepping in, and signing bonus this year with a lower salary number and then guaranteeing the 2nd year as well sounds completely reasonable, and as you pointed out, puts way more money in his pocket now!
    His signing bonus is less than $200,000 in 2013 & his salary is $2.9 mil, not $1.55 mil. The same salary Carlson is making. Guaranteeing the 2nd year may sound completely reasonable to some, but the fact is it's not. Why? Because you can't guarantee a player he'll be tagged with a franchise tag in 2014 nor does claiming he will be franchised in 2014 put money in his pocket now.

    The only thing that puts money in his pocket now is guaranteed money from his current contract.

    Quote Originally Posted by mountainviking View Post
    Wow. Just had a glimpse of what "off" season means for ole Ricky boy and his team of scouts etc...

    1. breakdown the team player by player, nail down which FAs we need to keep and who might need to go now
    2. scouting other teams FAs, that opens first week of March
    3. scouting rookies, watching bowl games and star-games (like Senior Bowl), combine etc etc etc
    4. DRAFT correctly!
    5. Work the UDFAs to your advantage
    6. Then, maybe, time opens up for considering resigning and/or restructuring our guys who are under contract, ie. Harvin. And Fraizier. Sorry Charlie, but they be busy right now!!
    The biggest priority is keeping the guys you have. It would be foolish to not know or find out for certain that your star WR will play for you or not before FA starts. It's a little late in the game to start looking for a #1 WR after TC starts & you first discover the #1 WR you thought would play is a no-show at camp and is demanding a trade.

    Top WR's don't grow on trees & certainly aren't available in FA in July. How many have we signed since 2005?
    Last edited by singersp; 02-01-2013 at 06:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smegmavike View Post
    Why should they have paid him last year?
    They will try to pay him this year. I expect Harvin to drag his feet and miss most of training camp, but Harvin really has little leverage at this point.
    Spielman doesn't have to trade him and fully realizes, what he could get in a trade, wouldn't possibly replace what he already has with Harvin.
    I agree with Midge on this one. Harvin isn't going anywhere.
    Because then they would have had it taken care of prior to this year & used 2012 salary cap surplus to do it instead of attempting to do it this year with limited cap room. It may be already to late to do something this year. He was disgruntled last year so there's a good chance he'll be disgruntled this year.

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    Harvin hits escalator, nearly doubling scheduled salary

    Vikings' Percy Harvin hits escalator, nearly doubling scheduled salary | 1500 ESPN Twin Cities ? Minnesota Sports News & Opinion (Twins, Vikings, Wolves, Wild, Gophers) | Sportswire: Minnesota Vikings

    Harvin privately has made clear since last summer he expects a new deal in the offseason.
    Nah! They won't give him a new deal, they'll just guarantee him they'll tag him in 2014 & he'll get all kinds of money then. That will shut him up.

    Besides Spielman already reworked a deal last year to lock Jenkins up thru 2013, has Carlson locked up for 4 more years and is probably too busy working on signing 2013 FA's Aromashodu for the 3rd time & Simpson for the 2nd time to worry about retaining Harvin now. (sarcasm off)

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