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    Re: Hands off the panic buttons! :)

    jonj1 wrote:
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    if we don't bench F-bomb, we are not going to make the playoffs.
    You can make valid arguments about Favre playing poorly, and I wont argue it. I do think that his game is going to come around, and we saw a glimmer of that in the second half last night.

    But to make a blanket statement like that is rediculous. If we don't bench Favre we don't make the playoffs? Anyone who says we definately make or don't make the playoffs based on a single player is being an idiot.

    I think we probably make the playoffs - not as the #1 or #2, but most likely as the NFC North champion. I also think that our chances of making it are much better with Favre than without him - at least for now. Barring further injury to his right arm he is still the best QB we have on roster.
    1) I'm not an idiot. The quarterback is the most important position in all of team sports. Not the starting pitcher, nor the top scorer in NBA is more important.

    2) His arm has tendonitus. This situation will probably get worse as the season progresses. So he probably won't
    get any better.

    3) He has had a bad elbow in 2008 and played like crap with the Jets the final 5 games.

    4) He has played very poorly in the first four games giving up the ball 2.4 times a game.

    5) Our schedule includes in it 9 games against teams with winning records...so far our record against teams with winning records is 0-3 (are we gonna make the playoffs with 12 loses??)

    6) Our defense is getting tired of having to carry the team each week without results...this will show up with worse play from the defense as the season progresses...it almost always does.

    We'll see if I'm correct by seasons' end.

    P.S. It's not nice to call someone an idiot.
    1. We'll agree to disagree.

    2. You might want to do a little more research. Tendonitis is the inflamation of the tendons, in this case the elbow. This is most often an injury caused by overuse, especially as people age. The treatment for it is rest combined with cortizone. The inflamation can come and go, which is evident by the fact that it flared up over the bye week, not during games. There is a good chance (but not a guarantee) that it will get better.

    3. Again, you might want to do some research before making statements. Farve tore his biceps tendon in his right shoulder in the 2008 season. Completely different than tendonitis in the elbow. And before he tore the tendon, he was playing at a high level like he did last year.

    4. Agreed.

    5. You are postulating that we will go 0-9 against teams with winning records the rest of this year because we are 0-3 against them so far this year. There are so many problems with this kind of projection that it would be hard to list them all. But for starters, not all of the teams with winning records right now will have winning records by the end of the season. The same is true for those with losing records. And the makeup of teams change significantly throughout the season with injuries, fatigue, trades, etc. The makeup of the Vikings changed significantly in less than a week.

    6. Agreed. The offense needs to pick it up and start playing more like they did in the 4th quarter. The difference is I think that they will, whereas you apparently don't think that they can with Favre under center.

    There are four scenarios that can play out this season:
    a. Farve plays all season and we make the playoffs.
    b. Favre plays all season and we don't make the playoffs.
    c. Favre doesn't play all season (for any number of reasons) and we make the playoffs.
    d. Favre doesn't play all season and we don't make the playoffs.

    Of all of them, I think (a) is the most likely, and (c) is the least.
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    Re: Hands off the panic buttons! :)

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    Definetly too early to panic. Even last year, when everything was going right I'm not sure we would have won at New Orleans or at Jets. The Dolphins game is the only one that we clearly should have won. We have not been blown out in any game.

    Looking at the rest of the schedule this is how I predict it playing out.

    Cowpies-W
    @ GreenBay-L(Favre owns them so who knows)
    @ New England-L
    Arizona-W
    Half way point 3-5
    @Chicago-L
    GreenBay-W
    @Washington-W
    Bills-W
    Giants-W
    Bears-W
    @philly-L
    @detroit-W

    That puts us at 9-7, Hopefully they can make up for the Miami loss with an upset win either at GB or at Chicago. 10-6 should get us in the playoffs, atleast as a wildcard.
    I like your thinking ... but I think we sweep the Bears this season (though that is not our M.O.)

    I just think they are riding on weak schedule and luck so far. I think once they get in the thick of it, they are in trouble. Also, we will be playing them after working out our kinks (hopefully)
    I ALSO think that we win either in Green Bay or New England. I know it sounds absurd ... and I cannot make a real argument why other than I just feel it will happen.

    That said ... we slip in either Washington or to the Giants at home and I think 10-6 is quite a possibility.

    This week will be VERY telling. We are either truly ready to right the ship and show it ... or we might just go in the tank completely.

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    Re: Hands off the panic buttons! :)

    I still find it hilarious that people are defending Favre. What game are you people watching, Nodak? The only thing Favre has done well this season is put his jersey on correctly.

    NO ONE defending Favre should say anything bad about Jackson. He performed better with a far worse WR corps.
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    Re: Hands off the panic buttons! :)

    Brick wrote:
    I still find it hilarious that people are defending Favre. What game are you people watching, Nodak? The only thing Favre has done well this season is put his jersey on correctly.

    NO ONE defending Favre should say anything bad about Jackson. He performed better with a far worse WR corps.
    I am not "defending Favre" ... but I do think he gives us a much better chance to win that Jackson.

    So that is where I draw my line ... I guess that opinion could change at some point ... but right now, I still think he gives us a better chance than Jackson.

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    Re: Hands off the panic buttons! :)

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    I still find it hilarious that people are defending Favre. What game are you people watching, Nodak? The only thing Favre has done well this season is put his jersey on correctly.

    NO ONE defending Favre should say anything bad about Jackson. He performed better with a far worse WR corps.
    I am not "defending Favre" ... but I do think he gives us a much better chance to win that Jackson.

    So that is where I draw my line ... I guess that opinion could change at some point ... but right now, I still think he gives us a better chance than Jackson.
    Best chance to win what? The Lions game? Awesome.
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    Re: Hands off the panic buttons! :)

    Brick wrote:
    I still find it hilarious that people are defending Favre. What game are you people watching, Nodak? The only thing Favre has done well this season is put his jersey on correctly.

    NO ONE defending Favre should say anything bad about Jackson. He performed better with a far worse WR corps.
    I still don't think TJ would have done any better. No qb can make a good throw with someone in thier face at all times. When favre did finally have some time to think in the second half, he made things happen.

    Yes he definately needs to get better, but it's still a team game. That loss is not soley his fault.

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    Re: Hands off the panic buttons! :)

    midgensa wrote:

    I am not "defending Favre" ... but I do think he gives us a much better chance to win that Jackson.

    So that is where I draw my line ... I guess that opinion could change at some point ... but right now, I still think he gives us a better chance than Jackson.[/quote]


    I agree with that....also I dont believe R.Moss wouldve been opened to coming here if TJ was the starter, but even Moss might question BF if he continues to play this way Heck I bet BF is questioning it himself

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    Re: Hands off the panic buttons! :)

    I am not touching it yet but we better start playing 60 minutes from now on,our schedule is horrid btw.NFC East is rough,Readskins are not a joke,Giants got a great DL,Eagles are always a competitive team and Dallas are beasts on the air.
    El underdog.

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    Re: Hands off the panic buttons! :)

    Brick wrote:
    I still find it hilarious that people are defending Favre. What game are you people watching, Nodak? The only thing Favre has done well this season is put his jersey on correctly.

    NO ONE defending Favre should say anything bad about Jackson. He performed better with a far worse WR corps.
    I am not defending anybody. I corrected a few inaccuracies in another person's post, but you will see that I agree that Favre has played poorly. IN fact, if you look at most of my posts this whole season, I have been putting the majority of the blame for our offensive issues on Favre.

    What I am saying in this thread is that it is too early to push the panic button. I know, you pushed yours last year in week 1 along with some other people. But I see an offense that is ready to click and a defense that has kept us in every game. I think there is a great chance that we still take the NFC North.

    Favre haters go ahead and enjoy this first quarter of the season. The odds are that you won't be able to ride the "I told you so" wagon for long.
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    jonj1 wrote:
    His 7 InTs could be worse, at least 5 other passes should have been picked this year.
    You could also blame 5-6 of those picks on receivers, or other factors. BB had 1 go through his hands right to the defender, PH slapped one in the air at the goaline, there were 2 BB could've defended, but didn't, at least 1 more where the WR ran the wrong route. In the Saints game the defender grabbed Visantes jersey, pulled him back, then stepped in front of the pass. It's beyond me how the refs missed it. The one last night is the only one I can think of that was 100% on Favre.

    The 3 fumbles last night are hard to explain away. I know it was raining, but he shoulda been more aware of that, and been more careful.

    Come on folks, don't you know how the chiller works yet? Starting 10-1 last year, and finishing 1-3 didn't work too well. Chiller figured he'd try it the other way this year, so he started 1-3, and now he plans to go 10-1 the rest of the way :woohoo: haha.

    Seriously though, we have to go at least 8-4 the rest of the way, and Favre is the only one that can pull that off. There's no way TJack will do that vs the opponents we have coming up, so we're giving up if we make that move.

    After we beat Dallas, 2-3 isn't going to seem that bad at all. And just think, at 1-4, the Cowgirls are done. The Packers are getting bit by the injury bug, and everyone knows the Bears are going to self destruct sooner or later. Our only worry should be the Lions.

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