09-28-2012, 10:22 AM #11
Second, ibleedpurple was also trying to convince me at the same time that we were actually going to change our scheme based on the new DL rotation, which didn't really come to fruition.
Third, you sound like you want them to become shutdown CB's like Singer......that would require a scheme change..... Just kidding. Lets see what happens with Cook and Megatron.
Remember, last year I was convinced we would see a scheme change, and not on the DL. I thought we were going to see more of a Press/Zone look from our DB's and believe we did at first, then Cook did his dumb act.
This year, we are seeing more of it again (remember the fine article posted by someone that broke down how many times we weren't in C2 vs how many times we were) as we are seeing Smith in the box and getting in behind the OL more and more each game.
So, although I still want the warpig, I can see changes happening that make me rethink it a bit. If JA could just get off his dead ass I would be completely happy with the way the defense has played this year.
Don't forget, for all my beeeeeyyyyatching, we are still ranked pretty high against the run and the pass and thats basically with nothing coming from our RDE.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
09-28-2012, 10:25 AM #12
09-28-2012, 10:28 AM #13
Remember there is a difference between the two schemes and the way the UT/DT/0-1 tech and MLB are used are the differences.
I wish I could figure out how to use the search funtion to actually find something. I'd pull up that thread I started this summer that explained all that.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
09-28-2012, 11:30 AM #14
The Ultimate Guide to NFL Defense
All 3-technique tackles are not alike. Defensive coaches continually search for ways to make their defensive linemen more effective. One of those ways, which was later adapted to the Tampa-2 defense by Tony Dungy and Monte Kiffin, was to slide the defensive tackles away from the strength of the offensive formation instead of playing them in even alignments over the offensive guards. This "undershifted" front makes it very difficult for the offensive line to double team the 3-technique, or in this case, undertackle.
Here's how the differences look in the playbook and on the field:
With the strong side (TE side in this diagram) guard essentially uncovered, the defensive line has shifted away, or undershifted, from the strength of the offensive line. The strong side defensive tackle plays over the shoulder of the center and the weak side end plays a loose 5-technique outside the tackle, leaving the weak side defensive tackle (our 3-technique/undertackle) isolated against a guard. In many ways, on passing downs, you've schemed yourself a third defensive end.
Sapp wasn't the first player to ride the undertackle position to NFL fame and fortune. Before the birth of the Tampa-2, the Minnesota Vikings (under Floyd Peters and Kiffin) paired defensive end Chris Doleman and undertackle Keith Millard in a stunting under front defense. In 1989, Millard set a record for sacks by interior defensive linemen (18) that still stands today.
The lineage of great undertackle includes many of the league's other most successful pass rushing defensive tackles. John Randle, the first undertackle in what would become the Tampa-2 defense, racked up nine consecutive seasons of ten or more sacks. La'Roi Glover's 17 sack season in 2000 came as an undertackle. Kevin Williams, Rod Coleman, Vonnie Holliday, Tommie Harris? All have had very successful seasons playing 3-technique on defenses frequently using underfronts during the last five years. The Giants nickel pass rush that used four defensive ends to wreak havoc on offensive lines early in 2007 frequently moved Osi Umenyiora or Justin Tuck into undertackle-like roles.
09-28-2012, 08:25 PM #15
the defensive philosophy of the Tampa Two was the mixing of a couple of concepts that had been around since 1977. Most teams play a form of the Bucs defense which is called the Cover 2, it is a basic zone defense in which players are responsible for covering receivers who enter their zones. The Tampa variety offers up a quick and speedy middle linebacker to cover the deep middle of the field in addition to the safeties who take a side, thus breaking up the deep field into thirds.when I joined Monte Kiffin in Minnesota. Monte was coaching the inside linebackers when I arrived, and the vikings scheme was to rush the passer and have their secondary in man to man coverage. I had always favored zone coverage, and I began to introduce these concepts. Monte in turn, taught me about his 'One Gap' style the Vikings used with their linemen and linebackers. Most teams ask their linemen to protect two gaps, playing head up on an offensive lineman, stalemating him, and then being able to tackle a ball carrier on either side of that lineman (sound familiar? This is what Jim Bates wanted to do). The Vikings only asked their linemen to handle ONE side of the offensive lineman, using the linebacker and safeties to compensate. Because they never had to take on a man directly, Minnesota's linemen didnt have to be as big, and were generally smaller than the men on the other side of the ball and quicker. They were exceptional pass rushers. "
Last edited by singersp; 09-28-2012 at 08:28 PM.
"If at first you don't succeed, parachuting is not for you"
I still want to see more from Guion. If you don't use a so-called Warpig and opt for a more athletic NT then you would expect to see him get some penetration. I am not talking about sacks but at least bust up a running play in the backfield.
09-29-2012, 10:18 AM #17
I would love for us to at least go back to the Peters/Kiffin philosophy of defense if we are sticking to a 4-3 zone type defense. We actually could have hired John Teerlinck in the off season to run the defensive line but for some reason passed even though he worked with Frazier at Indy if I am not mistaken. He did a great job with guys like Randle, Millard, Doleman and then with Freeney/Mathis.
I would much rather have us run the single gap defense and get a faster, more athletic MLB than to go the route of the warpig DT. The league is getting faster and the field is getting stretched more with the passing game and that is why we need to get faster and more athletic in in LB and interior DL positions.
09-29-2012, 11:11 AM #19
"If at first you don't succeed, parachuting is not for you"