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    Re: Grading Vikings Week 1

    "gamecocksbaseball31" wrote:
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    "vike_mike" wrote:
    You can grade T-Jack's progression by two throws.
    The throw in the end zone that would have clearly been 6 points to Sydney Rice, and the overthrow to Shiancoe at the end of the game.
    I do have to say that the catch by Shiancoe earlier was a catch.
    Any other time they call that a catch.
    No, the refs made the right call on that. Any time the defender hits the receiver at the same instant as (or before) the receiver's second foot comes down, the receiver is considered "going to the ground" on the catch, and therefore has to retain possesion once they hit the ground. Shiancoe's elbow hit the ground, the ball popped out, incomplete catch.
    I was at the game on the opposite end of the field so I could be mistaken here but...
    It looked as though Shiancoe caught it and was sitting down?
    Is this right or not because if it is, as soon as the defender touches him he should be down and it should be a catch?
    Just a thought please inform me either way thanks!
    He was in the air when he caught it, got one foot down, and started bracing himself for the hit. The second foot just as the defender hit him. ...unless we're thinking of two different plays.

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    Re: Grading Vikings Week 1

    Overall, I'm going to say the grade is P as in Pooh!
    Pooh on ST!!
    Farwell is missed.

    Pooh Playcalling!
    But, its a what came first, the chicken or the egg type scenario...is our playcalling pooh because TJack is nervous nellie?
    Or is TJack poohey because the playcalling is?
    Our WRs obviously aren't getting open often, as in rarely if ever...I think we need more changes of direction in the downfield route running... or something to help the WRs get open for a second.
    Fuckin packer lovin refs!!
    That totally was a fuckin catch by Shank...again!
    Why do they hate him so?
    Not a single freakin sack against three backups in the middle of their OL?????
    Poohey!!
    Basically, looks like McCarthy had a plan for our agressive attack, and Childress did not respond in turn!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

    OK, Rant Off.

    On the bright side...AP is awesome!!
    ;D
    He had to earn every yard twice over cuz the focus was all on him...and he still succeeded!!!
    Wow!
    Kids got skillz!!
    TJack does get first downs with his feet, and looks good doing so, but dang man, don't get fricken hurt!
    AND, other than those two big plays...1 50+ yard rush and 1 pass...the defense held strong against a top offense with really good WRs (Wow! that Jennings kid plays tough!) that got lots of extra shots due to our offense's lack of first downs.

    I sure hope that they ramp it up a bit this week in practice, and put together a better offensive attack plan.
    We didn't see much of the TJack rolling out, running around and spreading the ball out among all the players that we did in his preseason form.
    He seems to play better on the move...or at least, looks more comfortable running if he starts out on the run.
    And we should be utilizing AP as a distraction more, playaction fakes, etc.
    I'd love to see him go in motion from a two back set, and line up as a slot reciever or TE...chances are, the defense shifts his way, and Chester could eat up a nice chunk running the other.
    If the D plays back, you could throw AP a quick out like we used to with Moss...just give your playmaker the ball ASAP.
    Or, you have the WR run deep on that side, on a clearing route, and have AP run a cut out away from the LBs and underneath...
    Control the line, control the time, and give your D a chance to shine!!

    "Balance it on end and thats the third side of the coin!!" -wookiefoot

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    Re: Grading Vikings Week 1

    Well that rule seems like a whatever I want to call kind of loophole to me.
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    My thing with the Shank catch is that he had both hands on the ball, both feet on the ground, he's turning to run, gets hit, both hands still on the ball all the way down til his shoulder/arm/side hits the ground.
    He's down by contact, shoulder/hip/elbow all counts as a knee as in down.
    How is that not a catch?
    BS.
    Straight BS.
    Hey ref, next time I'd like a kiss before you bend me over!
    :-*
    Control the line, control the time, and give your D a chance to shine!!

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    Re: Grading Vikings Week 1

    "mountainviking" wrote:
    Well that rule seems like a whatever I want to call kind of loophole to me.

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    My thing with the Shank catch is that he had both hands on the ball, both feet on the ground, he's turning to run, gets hit, both hands still on the ball all the way down til his shoulder/arm/side hits the ground.
    He's down by contact, shoulder/hip/elbow all counts as a knee as in down.
    How is that not a catch?
    BS.
    Straight BS.
    Hey ref, next time I'd like a kiss before you bend me over!
    :-*
    Here's the "Official Review" segment from September 3rd. Start watching it at about the 2:30 mark.

    http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80a7b1bc

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    Re: Grading Vikings Week 1

    Thanks for the info.
    So basically, now the ground can cause a fumble.
    Seems like a strange change to me!
    I still think that Shank caught that ball last night.
    Control the line, control the time, and give your D a chance to shine!!

    "Balance it on end and thats the third side of the coin!!" -wookiefoot

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    Re: Grading Vikings Week 1

    "mountainviking" wrote:
    Thanks for the info.
    So basically, now the ground can cause a fumble.
    Seems like a strange change to me!
    I still think that Shank caught that ball last night.
    He did. I watched it with my own eyes.

    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    Re: Grading Vikings Week 1

    "mountainviking" wrote:
    Thanks for the info.
    So basically, now the ground can cause a fumble.
    Seems like a strange change to me!
    I still think that Shank caught that ball last night.
    No, the ground can cause an incomplete.

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    Re: Grading Vikings Week 1

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    "mountainviking" wrote:
    Thanks for the info.
    So basically, now the ground can cause a fumble.
    Seems like a strange change to me!
    I still think that Shank caught that ball last night.
    He did. I watched it with my own eyes.
    Not according to the rules of the game. There are two blown pass interference calls available if you want to be pissed off at the refs about something. Let this one go.

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    Re: Grading Vikings Week 1

    "C" wrote:
    "mountainviking" wrote:
    Thanks for the info.
    So basically, now the ground can cause a fumble.
    Seems like a strange change to me!
    I still think that Shank caught that ball last night.
    He did. I watched it with my own eyes.

    even the pack fans i was watching the game with said it was a completion.

    You could clearly see two feet touch the ground, and he had possession.
    That makes a catch.
    He was hit, then his shoulder hit the ground, meaning he's down by contact.
    There is know damn way that should have been an incompletion.

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    Re: Grading Vikings Week 1

    T-jack- C+.. Some bad throws but also some nice ones and plays kept alive
    RBs- A-.. Could have picked up the blitz a wee bit better but overall good
    TEs- B.. Did they not have like all of our yards?
    WRs- C-... Wade cant get open
    against a nickel
    Oline- B... Held up pretty good against a great D
    Dline- D+... NOOOOOO pressure and Grant with almost 100
    LBs- B.. No complaints
    CBs- B+... Cedric plays amazing.. Gordon besides being burnt on a great play played great
    Safetys- D... Sharper was out of position alot and missed tackles.. And Tyrell played like he was in D2
    Longwell- C.. Please kick one to atleast the white line in the endzone
    Kluwe- B.. Besides one bad punt to give up a TD he played good
    Coaches- C-.. I like the second half adjustments but we we outcoached

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