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    Re: Good Announcers

    "vikesfargo" wrote:
    I'd like to second what Marrdro just said.

    Let's remember that when Childress took the job, Daunte Culpepper was the Vikings' quarterback. After Pepp went nutty, the Vikings wisely traded him to avoid paying Culpepper $10 million cash.

    After that, we had only Brad Johnson left on the roster. In the draft that spring, we actually had a bigger need: linebacker. Childress drafted Greenway #1. He has turned out to be a developing stud. Then Childress moved up in the second round to get Tarvaris Jackson.

    After that the Vikings got Brooks Bollinger (a career backup QB), Kelly Holcomb (who has turned out to be too old), and Tyler Thigpen (who the Chiefs snatched away due to Vikings' front office negligence). In the 2007 draft, we took Adrian Peterson #1 who has worked out pretty well, to say the least.

    Childress would have preferred if we could have called Dan Marino off the bench, but as it turns out, we didn't have that caliber of quarterback just sitting around.

    The quarterback problems of the Vikings go back much earlier than the arrival of Childress. If anything, the prospects for good quarterback play in the future have grown since Childress came on board.

    Again, I'm on record as drafting a Tyler Thigpen type again in the 6th or 7th round for insurance/development/backup/future tradebait purposes. I'm unsure about bringing in a veteran QB like Garcia or McNabb. We definitely need to keep the fiery competitor Tarvaris Jackson. We should also keep another backup QB like Bollinger for insurance. That means keeping 4 QBs on the active roster. It's worth it.
    A very solid post with one comment.

    Lets remember that the HC doesn't run the draft.


    As a team prepares for draft day, he will be involved in the analysis of players that are put forth by the scouting department (Studwells crew) and has a say in what ones are a good fit, however, when it comes to moving up or down that is on Spielman (Vice president of player personnel) who probably presents some sort of draft proposal/strategy to the ownership.

    I would envision that draft proposal/strategy would include the following data:

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    Team needs in priority order.
    (This will probably have other team needs as well)
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    Players who fit those needs in the draft ranked from most coveted to least coveted.
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    Teams who might be interested in those players based on thier team needs and if they have shown significant interest in that player (i.e. had in for work outs, visited school workouts etc.
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    Teams that are/will be willing to move up or down to get players that might fit a need.


    Again, the Chiller doesn't have the power nor is it his responsibilit to run the draft.
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    Re: Good Announcers

    haha, go figure a good announcers thread turns into another "lets defend Brad Childress" thread.
    Wow guys, just keep patting yourself on the back on those comments.

    I'll say again though, Paul Allen is great.

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    Re: Good Announcers

    You'll hear the absolutely WORST announced Saturday night on the Pats/Giantsd game with Bryant "Gumball" Gumbel for the NFL Network. Even though the game is on CBS and NBC the NFL crew will be announcing he is the poorest I've ever heard!
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    Re: Good Announcers

    "COJOMAY" wrote:
    You'll hear the absolutely WORST announced Saturday night on the Pats/Giantsd game with Bryant "Gumball" Gumbel for the NFL Network. Even though the game is on CBS and NBC the NFL crew will be announcing he is the poorest I've ever heard!
    No freakin kidding, I lost my NFL network when I moved up to Fargo, but when I watched it back then those guys were simply horrible.
    I honestly believe the best national team is still Madden and crew with all their faults.
    Just look at what else you COULD be listening to.

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    Actually, mardro, that comment by Madden that said Childress is kind of linked to Jackson is very true IMO. I think going into this season, many people (including me) were bothered by the fact that the Vikes did very little to upgrade at QB, even though their QB situation was extremely precarious to say the least. They had one 2nd round draft pick with very little NFL experience and two backups who are not very talented. QB is an Achilles Heel for this team and all the experts knew that going into the season.

    Instead of trying to further upgrade at QB, the Vikings inexplicably went with Jackson, Bollinger and Holcomb for the season, even though better talent was available. THAT is what links the Chiller with TJack because it is that decision which could make or break his coaching career like it or not.

    The end result is even though the Vikings are very talented at many positions and have a defense (especially rush defense) that is playoff ready, and one of the most explosive running backs in the game, they have a young QB prone to making mistakes being fed to the wolves who should be learning the game such as Rodgers is doing in Green Bay. THAT is your ideal situation and when Favre retires, Rodgers will be ready to step in right away.

    If Childress decides to go with TJack as his main guy for next year and he continues to play like he has, he could very well wind up in the unemployment line at the end of next season because the kid is simply not NFL ready right now. A great game for TJack is 12-18 for 180 yards. People -- this is NOT great. A great QB performance is more like 400 yards and 4 touchdowns... Something tells me Childress is going to insist on bringing in a plan B BECAUSE YES......HE ----IS--- LINKED TO JACKSON right now and he would be wise to try to shake that.

    Again.......good comment by Madden on that.
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    Mardro - re: Steve Young

    "Cover 3 defense.
    What Mr. Young failed to provide in his observations is that in a cover 3 that "futureboy" was seeing he was also seeing a pretty heavy Zone Blitz package desinged to not only take the run away but to put quick pressure on the QB which makes him make quick decisions with the ball as the OL will normally break down under that kind of pressure, not allowing the QB to get the ball to anyone.
    Go back and take a look at Youngs answer to the Cover 3. He ran and didn't throw.
    What a yutz."


    .....No offense, but I think I trust what Steve Young has to say about facing the Cover 3 Defense before the likes of you. Steve Young knows the Cover 3 is one of the easiest defenses to throw against if you know what you are doing. You have the bare minimum pass defense to face and you have one on one coverage on all your receivers. If you can't throw on that defense, you can't play QB in the NFL. The Zone Blitz can be beaten by quick throws on slants and if you can get enough protection, you can beat them on deeper routes with 1 on 1 defense. A cover 3 isn't designed for first and 10.........it's designed for 3rd and short. If you see a cover 3 on first and second down, you should be able to exploit it for big passing yardage. THAT is why Steve Young said he would come out of retirement if you could guarantee that is the only defense he would have to face. Unfortunately, I do not know if our QB is good enough to exploit that. Eventually he is going to have to or Adrian Peterson will be almost worthless next year.
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    And bringing in a veteran QB from another team always works out great, taking a team right to the top. Just like:

    Warren Moon
    Jim McMahon
    Jeff George
    Brad Johnson

    and, one, Randall Cunningham (1 out of 5) (except our offense sputtered in the NFC Championship game).

    Since 1993, a grand total of two Super Bowls have been won by teams starting a QB who they acquired as a veteran from another team: the Ravens and the Bucs. All the other Super Bowls have been won by teams with starting quarterbacks they acquired in the draft or (Favre, Young, Kurt Warner) as rookies or very inexperienced players. The farther you go back, the worse it gets for the opposite position.

    Since Wade Wilson left the Vikings, the Vikings have developed the following starting quarterbacks: Rich Gannon (left the team, became league MVP for another team), Brad Johnson (left the team during his prime years, won a Super Bowl with another team), Daunte Culpepper (didn't pan out), and Tarvaris Jackson. In other words, when we did develop a QB it either didn't work out (Culpepper), or we didn't keep the guy.

    Maybe we should start another project this off-season in case TJack doesn't pan out, but I think the point is made that quarterbacks in the NFL take time to develop. It would be nice to pick up a Doug Williams or Jim Plunkett off of the scrap heap, but we can't count on that.

    The last thing we need is to dump another QB out the window like we did with Rich Gannon. Remember what happened to the Bucs and Steve Young, or the Falcons and Favre.

    Now do we really have to talk about the need for coaching continuity? Is there any real question that the Vikings special teams, defense, running game, team discipline, and number of penalties are all vastly improved under Coach Childress? Allow me to list the following coordinators that the Vikings have lost in recent years to other teams:


    Tony Dungy
    Brian Billick
    Scott Linehan
    Mike Tomlin
    George O'Leary (UCF)

    With that kind of coordinator turnover, it should be a surprise we've had as many playoff appearances that we had.

    There are teams in the league that have a revolving door approach to quarterbacks and head coaches. The Dolphins, Falcons, Cardinals, Jets, and Lions all come to mind.


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    Re: Good Announcers

    "vikesfargo" wrote:
    And bringing in a veteran QB from another team always works out great, taking a team right to the top. Just like:

    Warren Moon
    Jim McMahon
    Jeff George
    Brad Johnson

    and, one, Randall Cunningham (1 out of 5) (except our offense sputtered in the NFC Championship game).

    Since 1993, a grand total of two Super Bowls have been won by teams starting a QB who they acquired as a veteran from another team: the Ravens and the Bucs. All the other Super Bowls have been won by teams with starting quarterbacks they acquired in the draft or (Favre, Young, Kurt Warner) as rookies or very inexperienced players. The farther you go back, the worse it gets for the opposite position.

    Since Wade Wilson left the Vikings, the Vikings have developed the following starting quarterbacks: Rich Gannon (left the team, became league MVP for another team), Brad Johnson (left the team during his prime years, won a Super Bowl with another team), Daunte Culpepper (didn't pan out), and Tarvaris Jackson. In other words, when we did develop a QB it either didn't work out (Culpepper), or we didn't keep the guy.

    Maybe we should start another project this off-season in case TJack doesn't pan out, but I think the point is made that quarterbacks in the NFL take time to develop. It would be nice to pick up a Doug Williams or Jim Plunkett off of the scrap heap, but we can't count on that.

    The last thing we need is to dump another QB out the window like we did with Rich Gannon. Remember what happened to the Bucs and Steve Young, or the Falcons and Favre.

    Now do we really have to talk about the need for coaching continuity? Is there any real question that the Vikings special teams, defense, running game, team discipline, and number of penalties are all vastly improved under Coach Childress? Allow me to list the following coordinators that the Vikings have lost in recent years to other teams:


    Tony Dungy
    Brian Billick
    Scott Linehan
    Mike Tomlin
    George O'Leary (UCF)

    With that kind of coordinator turnover, it should be a surprise we've had as many playoff appearances that we had.

    There are teams in the league that have a revolving door approach to quarterbacks and head coaches. The Dolphins, Falcons, Cardinals, Jets, and Lions all come to mind.
    How bout the Jags, they had a QB switch with a young guy and it worked out for them, Atlanta only has this situation because their QB went to jail, the Dolphins situation I don't blame on a QB for doing that bad on a horrible team, Clevland had a QB rotisserie and now they're on the verge of the playoffs and one of the best finishes in a long time, the chargers had a situation where they had an established vet in Brees and got rid of him a couple years ago, they've done alright.

    Also bringing up Brad Johnson as a superbowl QB always gets me mad, yes he was a decent QB but his QBing skills weren't the reason that the Bucs won the Super Bowl, please.
    The Vikings wouldn't have been any better off.

    Gannon didn't start playing at a high level until SIX years after his last year he played for us, you're telling me we should have waited six years?
    Also if he was such a hot commodity why didn't the Redskins or KC keep him?


    Dallas won three, Aikman was good but the Cowboys were unstoppable, Aikman was a decent QB on a great team.
    Aikman was just good at taking advantage of the fact that he had Emmit Smith running, Aikman without Emmit would probably be a little scary.

    Dynasties having certain QBs was only one part of the equation.
    How many superbowls did the Vikings win with QBs they drafted?
    Just because somebody takes a crap and calls it brownies doesn't mean I have to eat it.
    Although T-Jack might pull a Gannon and take like 10 years into his NFL career to really take off, do we want to wait ten years?

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    Good post, Schutz. I agree with the previous poster that QB's take time to develop, but unfortunately TJack did not get that opportunity. It was not his fault that he was rushed into action before he was ready. Even guys drafted in the top 10 are usually given some time to learn and develop, but here we have a kid who was drafted in the second round, who was definitely a project with a lot of potential and thrown in there right away because we just didn't have anyone else.

    I don't want to blame him - he seems like a good kid and he has potential, but he isn't ready to be an NFL QB yet. He needs a lot of work on technique and fundamentals as well as learning to read NFL defenses. He is probably at least 2-3 years away from being ready to go.

    I agree with Schutz - he might be ready in 10 years but do you really want to wait that long?? Also, he has been hurt FOUR times just this season.

    During the off-season we should draft another QB if possible as well as pick up someone that knows what he is doing as a free agent. Ideally, TJack as well as the other drafted QB can sit on the bench and develop and the veteran can step in and play right away. You could cut Bollinger and Holcomb tomorrow and neither would probably be picked up by anyone.....
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    That's interesting stuff about teams winning Super Bowls with vet QB's they brought in. I would have never thought of that aspect of winning as a trend.
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