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    Re: Give Brian Robison a chance at starting

    Brian stop making silly posts on how you should start, we've all said you deserve a chance
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    Re: Give Brian Robison a chance at starting

    I like the Salt + pepper combo.. it's gonna be a developing tandem that should give us some very good preasure and hopefully very solid starters!! as for bulking up. I still like Bchill's small guys who hit hard, and big guys who move fast.

    now. BR has that extra understand of burst or innitial momentum from his shot put knowledge/experience.

    he's getting the hang of the position / responsibilities, and i'm sure he'll bring out some great moments in our D scheme's.


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    Re: Give Brian Robison a chance at starting

    "ThorSPL" wrote:
    You gotta realize he was a rookie... these guys take time to develop.

    I'm a fairly firm believer that other than a 1st round pick, you shouldn't expect a person to be able to plug and play (start as a rookie and contribute immensely).
    Certainly there are exceptions; particularly in the 2nd round - PLUS certain positions are easier to fill, etc....

    But generally speaking these guys will all need time...
    Agreed. Look at Mario Williams. He got blasted for being the no. 1 pick, but after a couple of seasons (under his belt), he looks promising.

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    Re: Give Brian Robison a chance at starting

    The way I see it he will replace Udeze at Left D.E and Edwards will replace Raz at Right. Udeze is a one move DE on the pass rush but great against the run. Edwards was a bit small and got caught trying to bulk up the fast way. I'll give Raz the next year to see what , or if he can stay healthy. Wasn't it an ACL that put him out in 2006?That can take until the 2nd year to fully recover from. And if we can keep him away from Chester the Chair thrower.

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    Re: Give Brian Robison a chance at starting

    I'm not averse to giving Robison a chance.
    At the same time, Robison didn't record a sack in the final six games of the season after logging 4.5 sacks in the first 10 games.
    And this was with Ray Edwards suspended for the final four games of the season, and Erasmus James doing nothing all year (1 tackle in the final 6 games, forget when he was put on IR).

    Robison did log 11 total tackles (8 solo) in the final four games, so he does show some promise.
    The Vikings issue in giving up so much pass yardage is really based in not getting sufficient pass rush from the DE position, thus giving opposing QBs all day to find an open receiver and complete the pass.
    If we could sign an elite pass rush FA DE this offseason, our pass defense should immediately improve.
    Frankly, Udeze might be the guy that goes to the bench, and Robison and Edwards are the guys fighting for the other DE spot.

    The Vikings defense is too close to being awesome right now to count on rookies and 2nd year players to develop into the answers.
    Now, I wouldn't sign just any old FA DE, it would likely have to be a Suggs or Allen type.
    I want to see Edwards, Robison, Udeze (and even Erasmus) all improve and develop, but I don't want to waste next season to see if they will get better by quantum leaps or not unless we have no choice.
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    Re: Give Brian Robison a chance at starting

    What i hope Robison is practicing is his bull rush, we all know he can run around the tackle but what i would like to see him do is be able to mix it up and bull rush to the inside.
    That will keep the tackle honest and guessing on what he will do off the snap of the ball.

    Right now i see teams adjusting to Robison and his speed rush.
    He never went to the inside and the quarterback would just step up in the pocket and avoid him.
    There is no doubt he has the burst to push the tackle off balance, he just needs to perfect it.

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    Re: Give Brian Robison a chance at starting

    "vikesfan551" wrote:
    The way I see it he will replace Udeze at Left D.E and Edwards will replace Raz at Right. Udeze is a one move DE on the pass rush but great against the run. Edwards was a bit small and got caught trying to bulk up the fast way. I'll give Raz the next year to see what , or if he can stay healthy. Wasn't it an ACL that put him out in 2006?That can take until the 2nd year to fully recover from. And if we can keep him away from Chester the Chair thrower.
    Good post, keep em comin. ;D

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    Re: Give Brian Robison a chance at starting

    "grpape" wrote:
    "ThorSPL" wrote:
    You gotta realize he was a rookie... these guys take time to develop.

    I'm a fairly firm believer that other than a 1st round pick, you shouldn't expect a person to be able to plug and play (start as a rookie and contribute immensely).
    Certainly there are exceptions; particularly in the 2nd round - PLUS certain positions are easier to fill, etc....

    But generally speaking these guys will all need time...
    Agreed. Look at Mario Williams. He got blasted for being the no. 1 pick, but after a couple of seasons (under his belt), he looks promising.
    ummmm too bad williams was the 1st ovr pick and robison was a 4th rd pick
    and williams only had one season under his belt before this year
    i like robison, but please do not compare him to mario williams
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    Re: Give Brian Robison a chance at starting

    "Jereamiah" wrote:
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    I don't think we have the need at DE like everyone keeps saying.
    Robison seemed to be very productive for the short time he was on the field each game.
    Plus he now has a year under his belt in the NFL.
    I think he could have great numbers if he was given a chance at starting.
    He is very quick, never stops, and his upper body strength is phenominal.
    Just my opinion
    though.
    What do you guys think?
    he got his chance to play alot at the end of the year, and he didnt do anything more than anybody else..to suggest that we dont need to go find a big time proven pass rusher is absolutely ludicrous..our pass defense is one of the leagues worst, and it all starts at DE..you cant honestly believe that brian robison is the answer to our problems
    dont get me wrong, ive got no problems with robison, i just think he fits in with the other DEs we have who are basically all backup quality players..itd be awesome if robison could one day turn into a lance johnstone type of guy though
    Yes I can. As I was reading the post, I was thinking of L.Johnson, then I saw where you mentioned him. The 'Vikes are set at run stopping, everyone knows that. For how long? who knows, but Robison is a great situational pass rusher. He will bulk up some and probably develope into much more. So what, the 'Vikes should go out and draft another end when everyone and their brother knows the team needs recieving/qb help? My opinion, but a #1 pick not used on a reciever or (if he's there) a quality qb is a waste. Robison and Edwards will be really good. They have shown that.
    johnstone had alot more size than robison and was established as a 3rd down guy..robison is a mid round pick who we pray can become half that good..robison showed promise, but not enough to prove that hes going to fill in as a 10-15 sack guy, especially not by next season..hes a good change of pace guy, and he belongs as a backup on this team..if one day he competes for a starting job/3rd down pass rusher role, then its a win/win for us..hes got a long way to go before he comes close to doing that though, so right now, weve gotta go out and find somebody else
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    Re: Give Brian Robison a chance at starting

    "Vikes_King" wrote:
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    Robinson is a pass rusher. He isn't a complete end. He's too undersized to take the constant pounding and tackling that a balanced end takes. Why not bring in a DE and keep a high energy player like Robinson in for plays that he can use his high energy. What happenes to a high energy player when he gets tired?
    You'd better let the rest of our RDE's know they are to small to hold up against the run and the constant pounding.



    91 Ray Edwards DE 23 6-5 268 2 Purdue
    73 Otis Grigsby DE 27 6-3 260 2 Kentucky
    99 Erasmus James DE 25 6-4 266 3 Wisconsin
    92 Jayme Mitchell DE 23 6-6 285 2 Mississippi
    96 Brian Robison DE 24 6-3 267 R Texas
    98 Darrion Scott DE 26 6-3 289 4 Ohio State
    95 Kenechi Udeze DE 24 6-3 281 4 USC

    For that matter you'd better let all the other teams out there that run a base 4-3 defense that thier RDE needs to be bigger than 260ish.
    That you for pulling together those stats Marrdo, thats proving what i have said in the past in discussion with friends and such.
    Its not that Robinson is too small to play against the run.. he's just not developed against it.
    Hopefully having to practice against the #1 rushing attack in the NFL during Mini Camps/Training Camp, he'll be able to further improve in that area and become a complete RDE.
    If him and Edwards are able to both improve over the offseason.... Going to be hearing a lot of Salt & Pepper during 2008.
    playing against the run isnt his problem, hes just not developed well enough yet as a pass rusher to be a 10-15 sack per year threat..anybody can do a passable job against the run when theyre playing next to the williams wall
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