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    Re: Fuzzy Math(2 pt conversion)

    "BootyCall" wrote:

    Are you kidding me?
    I spent nearly half the game wondering if passing up a chance at 2 pts was going to cost us the win.
    Please...someone explain the math to me because I'm not as smart as Chilly.
    HOW CAN YOU NOT GO FOR TWO?
    Wait...I get it...Chill was counting on another safety out of the defense to give us the 11-10 win.


    Bottom line is the offense is FUGLY.
    Eight/Nine in the box and we can't hit a hot route to give AP a little room out there.
    When anyone can show me the improvement the offense has shown because Gus is in and Action Jackson is out please drop me a note.
    Gus stands in there and gets pounded except for a couple times a game where he throws out of fear and the zebras bail him out with a PI call downfield. I don't want to hear about Berrian's crossing route that turned into a big TD either....my mother could have hit him 5 yds past the line of scrimmage for the same result.
    Anyone else happen to notice how many balls were underthrown/overshot or into the turf today?
    Gus has to go.
    He doesn't have to go far.
    Just over to the bench where he looks best wearing that headset.
    We aren't going to win a playoff game with this band-aid in under center.
    Put T-Jax back in.
    He isn't the Messiah but he gives us something that Gus can't.
    HOPE.
    This team would be 3-3 without the QB change and TJ would have had 4 more games of experience to draw from.
    BC was trigger happy because he was scared of losing his job.
    I've got a news flash for you Vikings fans...Childress is gone if we don't win at least 1 game in the playoffs and that isn't going to happen with run-run-pray Gus can hit a 4 yd slant every 3rd down so why doesn't Chill GROW SOME and ride his horse till the end.
    At least at the end of the day we would know if TJax is for real.
    Please don't post any BS that Gus gives us a better chance to win either because anyone who thinks we are bringing home the Lombardi with that old man under center is kidding themselves.

    Put Jax in.
    Play it out.
    Let it ride.
    If the best we do with Gus is 8-8 at the end of the day, I'd rather give the kid the reigns and see if we can get some first downs.
    Lets face it....this sh*$ we saw today....doesn't inspire people.
    I'm not going to get a hard on watching our kicker get game balls the rest of the year, are you?
    The "Enter" key is your friend.
    ;D

    Am I the only one that didn't have that big a problem with not going for two?
    The conversion rate is quite low for those, and if you happen to not convert (which is VERY likey to happen with this offense) you screw yourself.


    IMO, a two-point conversion at that point in the game just doesn't do much for you; kick an extra point and you're only down by 1, the Lions were doing practically nothing on offense, and there was plenty of time left in the game to win.

    What do you Jared Allen negatives think about him now?
    His pressure on Orlovsky caused him to stupidly step out the back of the end zone for a safety, and ended up being the ultimate difference in this game.
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    Re: Fuzzy Math(2 pt conversion)

    "Webby" wrote:
    LOL.
    Gus throws for 296 and AP runs for 111.

    These guys are doing their damndest despite the madness.
    The three forced fumbles and INT is what mucked up an otherwise okay (not great or stellar or neat) afternoon for the O...except the line which can't fight its way out of a paper bag.
    Gus got tagged repeatedly and Jax would have peed himself and went home by then.

    Let's get back to reality.

    We won 2 in a row.

    We have problems all related back to the same few problems.

    Guess who is usually responsible for terrible execution, penalties and poorly played schemes (which they themselves may be poor)?
    Tice? Smoot? T-Will?

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    Re: Fuzzy Math(2 pt conversion)

    "singersp" wrote:
    "Webby" wrote:
    LOL.
    Gus throws for 296 and AP runs for 111.

    These guys are doing their damndest despite the madness.
    The three forced fumbles and INT is what mucked up an otherwise okay (not great or stellar or neat) afternoon for the O...except the line which can't fight its way out of a paper bag.
    Gus got tagged repeatedly and Jax would have peed himself and went home by then.

    Let's get back to reality.

    We won 2 in a row.

    We have problems all related back to the same few problems.

    Guess what is usually responsible for terrible execution, penalties and poorly played schemes (which they themselves may be poor)?
    Question I am not sure of. Obviously Berrians 80 yard scamper pads that 296 yards passing, but in the case of those two pass interference calls, are those yards part of Gus' 296 passing yards stats?

    If so, it goes to show you how stats don't tell the whole story. Those to passes appeared to me, two passes that wouldn't have been caught.
    No, Pass Interference does not count for YDS awarded to player or team.
    Just penalty YDS.

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    Re: Fuzzy Math(2 pt conversion)

    "Ragnarok" wrote:
    "BootyCall" wrote:

    Are you kidding me?
    I spent nearly half the game wondering if passing up a chance at 2 pts was going to cost us the win.
    Please...someone explain the math to me because I'm not as smart as Chilly.
    HOW CAN YOU NOT GO FOR TWO?
    Wait...I get it...Chill was counting on another safety out of the defense to give us the 11-10 win.


    Bottom line is the offense is FUGLY.
    Eight/Nine in the box and we can't hit a hot route to give AP a little room out there.
    When anyone can show me the improvement the offense has shown because Gus is in and Action Jackson is out please drop me a note.
    Gus stands in there and gets pounded except for a couple times a game where he throws out of fear and the zebras bail him out with a PI call downfield. I don't want to hear about Berrian's crossing route that turned into a big TD either....my mother could have hit him 5 yds past the line of scrimmage for the same result.
    Anyone else happen to notice how many balls were underthrown/overshot or into the turf today?
    Gus has to go.
    He doesn't have to go far.
    Just over to the bench where he looks best wearing that headset.
    We aren't going to win a playoff game with this band-aid in under center.
    Put T-Jax back in.
    He isn't the Messiah but he gives us something that Gus can't.
    HOPE.
    This team would be 3-3 without the QB change and TJ would have had 4 more games of experience to draw from.
    BC was trigger happy because he was scared of losing his job.
    I've got a news flash for you Vikings fans...Childress is gone if we don't win at least 1 game in the playoffs and that isn't going to happen with run-run-pray Gus can hit a 4 yd slant every 3rd down so why doesn't Chill GROW SOME and ride his horse till the end.
    At least at the end of the day we would know if TJax is for real.
    Please don't post any BS that Gus gives us a better chance to win either because anyone who thinks we are bringing home the Lombardi with that old man under center is kidding themselves.

    Put Jax in.
    Play it out.
    Let it ride.
    If the best we do with Gus is 8-8 at the end of the day, I'd rather give the kid the reigns and see if we can get some first downs.
    Lets face it....this sh*$ we saw today....doesn't inspire people.
    I'm not going to get a hard on watching our kicker get game balls the rest of the year, are you?
    The "Enter" key is your friend.
    ;D

    Am I the only one that didn't have that big a problem with not going for two?
    The conversion rate is quite low for those, and if you happen to not convert (which is VERY likey to happen with this offense) you screw yourself.


    IMO, a two-point conversion at that point in the game just doesn't do much for you; kick an extra point and you're only down by 1, the Lions were doing practically nothing on offense, and there was plenty of time left in the game to win.

    What do you Jared Allen negatives think about him now?
    His pressure on Orlovsky caused him to stupidly step out the back of the end zone for a safety, and ended up being the ultimate difference in this game.
    I didn't have a big problem with it.
    Remember, they are arguing we should have because our offense was lagging.

    Well, shit, isn't it our offense that needs to get those 2 points?
    LMAO.

    Nice arguments, right?

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    Re: Fuzzy Math(2 pt conversion)

    "singersp" wrote:
    "Webby" wrote:
    LOL.
    Gus throws for 296 and AP runs for 111.

    These guys are doing their damndest despite the madness.
    The three forced fumbles and INT is what mucked up an otherwise okay (not great or stellar or neat) afternoon for the O...except the line which can't fight its way out of a paper bag.
    Gus got tagged repeatedly and Jax would have peed himself and went home by then.

    Let's get back to reality.

    We won 2 in a row.

    We have problems all related back to the same few problems.

    Guess what is usually responsible for terrible execution, penalties and poorly played schemes (which they themselves may be poor)?
    Question I am not sure of. Obviously Berrians 80 yard scamper pads that 296 yards passing, but in the case of those two pass interference calls, are those yards part of Gus' 296 passing yards stats?

    If so, it goes to show you how stats don't tell the whole story. Those to passes appeared to me, two passes that wouldn't have been caught.

    No

    The PI calls don't count with stats

    And I think the first one could have been caught.. It swayed him off course alot.. Who knows if they would have caught it or not... Regardless the ball was in the air and he made contact so it was a call

    I don't agree with the second call though.. He wouldnt have got near it anyway and it was not even contact really IMO

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    Re: Fuzzy Math(2 pt conversion)

    "V4L" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "Webby" wrote:
    LOL.
    Gus throws for 296 and AP runs for 111.

    These guys are doing their damndest despite the madness.
    The three forced fumbles and INT is what mucked up an otherwise okay (not great or stellar or neat) afternoon for the O...except the line which can't fight its way out of a paper bag.
    Gus got tagged repeatedly and Jax would have peed himself and went home by then.

    Let's get back to reality.

    We won 2 in a row.

    We have problems all related back to the same few problems.

    Guess what is usually responsible for terrible execution, penalties and poorly played schemes (which they themselves may be poor)?
    Question I am not sure of. Obviously Berrians 80 yard scamper pads that 296 yards passing, but in the case of those two pass interference calls, are those yards part of Gus' 296 passing yards stats?

    If so, it goes to show you how stats don't tell the whole story. Those to passes appeared to me, two passes that wouldn't have been caught.

    No

    The PI calls don't count with stats

    And I think the first one could have been caught.. It swayed him off course alot.. Who knows if they would have caught it or not... Regardless the ball was in the air and he made contact so it was a call

    I don't agree with the second call though.. He wouldnt have got near it anyway and it was not even contact really IMO
    Too late!
    Beatcha to it!

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    Re: Fuzzy Math(2 pt conversion)

    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    "V4L" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "Webby" wrote:
    LOL.
    Gus throws for 296 and AP runs for 111.

    These guys are doing their damndest despite the madness.
    The three forced fumbles and INT is what mucked up an otherwise okay (not great or stellar or neat) afternoon for the O...except the line which can't fight its way out of a paper bag.
    Gus got tagged repeatedly and Jax would have peed himself and went home by then.

    Let's get back to reality.

    We won 2 in a row.

    We have problems all related back to the same few problems.

    Guess what is usually responsible for terrible execution, penalties and poorly played schemes (which they themselves may be poor)?
    Question I am not sure of. Obviously Berrians 80 yard scamper pads that 296 yards passing, but in the case of those two pass interference calls, are those yards part of Gus' 296 passing yards stats?

    If so, it goes to show you how stats don't tell the whole story. Those to passes appeared to me, two passes that wouldn't have been caught.

    No

    The PI calls don't count with stats

    And I think the first one could have been caught.. It swayed him off course alot.. Who knows if they would have caught it or not... Regardless the ball was in the air and he made contact so it was a call

    I don't agree with the second call though.. He wouldnt have got near it anyway and it was not even contact really IMO
    Too late!
    Beatcha to it!

    Lol

    Just saw that, I was talkin to my girl and trying to type that response


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    Re: Fuzzy Math(2 pt conversion)

    "Webby" wrote:
    "Ragnarok" wrote:
    "BootyCall" wrote:

    Are you kidding me?
    I spent nearly half the game wondering if passing up a chance at 2 pts was going to cost us the win.
    Please...someone explain the math to me because I'm not as smart as Chilly.
    HOW CAN YOU NOT GO FOR TWO?
    Wait...I get it...Chill was counting on another safety out of the defense to give us the 11-10 win.


    Bottom line is the offense is FUGLY.
    Eight/Nine in the box and we can't hit a hot route to give AP a little room out there.
    When anyone can show me the improvement the offense has shown because Gus is in and Action Jackson is out please drop me a note.
    Gus stands in there and gets pounded except for a couple times a game where he throws out of fear and the zebras bail him out with a PI call downfield. I don't want to hear about Berrian's crossing route that turned into a big TD either....my mother could have hit him 5 yds past the line of scrimmage for the same result.
    Anyone else happen to notice how many balls were underthrown/overshot or into the turf today?
    Gus has to go.
    He doesn't have to go far.
    Just over to the bench where he looks best wearing that headset.
    We aren't going to win a playoff game with this band-aid in under center.
    Put T-Jax back in.
    He isn't the Messiah but he gives us something that Gus can't.
    HOPE.
    This team would be 3-3 without the QB change and TJ would have had 4 more games of experience to draw from.
    BC was trigger happy because he was scared of losing his job.
    I've got a news flash for you Vikings fans...Childress is gone if we don't win at least 1 game in the playoffs and that isn't going to happen with run-run-pray Gus can hit a 4 yd slant every 3rd down so why doesn't Chill GROW SOME and ride his horse till the end.
    At least at the end of the day we would know if TJax is for real.
    Please don't post any BS that Gus gives us a better chance to win either because anyone who thinks we are bringing home the Lombardi with that old man under center is kidding themselves.

    Put Jax in.
    Play it out.
    Let it ride.
    If the best we do with Gus is 8-8 at the end of the day, I'd rather give the kid the reigns and see if we can get some first downs.
    Lets face it....this sh*$ we saw today....doesn't inspire people.
    I'm not going to get a hard on watching our kicker get game balls the rest of the year, are you?
    The "Enter" key is your friend.
    ;D

    Am I the only one that didn't have that big a problem with not going for two?
    The conversion rate is quite low for those, and if you happen to not convert (which is VERY likey to happen with this offense) you screw yourself.


    IMO, a two-point conversion at that point in the game just doesn't do much for you; kick an extra point and you're only down by 1, the Lions were doing practically nothing on offense, and there was plenty of time left in the game to win.

    What do you Jared Allen negatives think about him now?
    His pressure on Orlovsky caused him to stupidly step out the back of the end zone for a safety, and ended up being the ultimate difference in this game.
    I didn't have a big problem with it.

    Remember, they are arguing we should have because our offense was lagging.

    Well, shit, isn't it our offense that needs to get those 2 points?

    LMAO.

    Nice arguments, right?
    Well my point is this, yes our offense was lagging, but you have a chance to tie it up with a succesfull 2 point conversion. Miss it & you end up down by 2 vs. down by 1 with a PAT. Either scenario requires you to score to go ahead, so why not take that shot at that particular moment?


    It's not like we were getting the ball into the redzone during the game & having more opportunities. In fact I believe that it was only the 2nd time in 3 quarters of play that we were down that deep in that end of the field.

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    Re: Fuzzy Math(2 pt conversion)

    "singersp" wrote:
    "Webby" wrote:
    "Ragnarok" wrote:
    "BootyCall" wrote:

    Are you kidding me?
    I spent nearly half the game wondering if passing up a chance at 2 pts was going to cost us the win.
    Please...someone explain the math to me because I'm not as smart as Chilly.
    HOW CAN YOU NOT GO FOR TWO?
    Wait...I get it...Chill was counting on another safety out of the defense to give us the 11-10 win.


    Bottom line is the offense is FUGLY.
    Eight/Nine in the box and we can't hit a hot route to give AP a little room out there.
    When anyone can show me the improvement the offense has shown because Gus is in and Action Jackson is out please drop me a note.
    Gus stands in there and gets pounded except for a couple times a game where he throws out of fear and the zebras bail him out with a PI call downfield. I don't want to hear about Berrian's crossing route that turned into a big TD either....my mother could have hit him 5 yds past the line of scrimmage for the same result.
    Anyone else happen to notice how many balls were underthrown/overshot or into the turf today?
    Gus has to go.
    He doesn't have to go far.
    Just over to the bench where he looks best wearing that headset.
    We aren't going to win a playoff game with this band-aid in under center.
    Put T-Jax back in.
    He isn't the Messiah but he gives us something that Gus can't.
    HOPE.
    This team would be 3-3 without the QB change and TJ would have had 4 more games of experience to draw from.
    BC was trigger happy because he was scared of losing his job.
    I've got a news flash for you Vikings fans...Childress is gone if we don't win at least 1 game in the playoffs and that isn't going to happen with run-run-pray Gus can hit a 4 yd slant every 3rd down so why doesn't Chill GROW SOME and ride his horse till the end.
    At least at the end of the day we would know if TJax is for real.
    Please don't post any BS that Gus gives us a better chance to win either because anyone who thinks we are bringing home the Lombardi with that old man under center is kidding themselves.

    Put Jax in.
    Play it out.
    Let it ride.
    If the best we do with Gus is 8-8 at the end of the day, I'd rather give the kid the reigns and see if we can get some first downs.
    Lets face it....this sh*$ we saw today....doesn't inspire people.
    I'm not going to get a hard on watching our kicker get game balls the rest of the year, are you?
    The "Enter" key is your friend.
    ;D

    Am I the only one that didn't have that big a problem with not going for two?
    The conversion rate is quite low for those, and if you happen to not convert (which is VERY likey to happen with this offense) you screw yourself.


    IMO, a two-point conversion at that point in the game just doesn't do much for you; kick an extra point and you're only down by 1, the Lions were doing practically nothing on offense, and there was plenty of time left in the game to win.

    What do you Jared Allen negatives think about him now?
    His pressure on Orlovsky caused him to stupidly step out the back of the end zone for a safety, and ended up being the ultimate difference in this game.
    I didn't have a big problem with it.

    Remember, they are arguing we should have because our offense was lagging.

    Well, pooh, isn't it our offense that needs to get those 2 points?

    LMAO.

    Nice arguments, right?
    Well my point is this, yes our offense was lagging, but you have a chance to tie it up with a succesfull 2 point conversion. Miss it & you end up down by 2 vs. down by 1 with a PAT. Either scenario requires you to score to go ahead, so why not take that shot at that particular moment?


    It's not like we were getting the ball into the redzone during the game & having more opportunities. In fact I believe that it was only the 2nd time in 3 quarters of play that we were down that deep in that end of the field.

    Yah

    I don't see any other way to go

    It was plain stupid


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    Re: Fuzzy Math(2 pt conversion)

    "singersp" wrote:
    "Webby" wrote:
    "Ragnarok" wrote:
    "BootyCall" wrote:

    Are you kidding me?
    I spent nearly half the game wondering if passing up a chance at 2 pts was going to cost us the win.
    Please...someone explain the math to me because I'm not as smart as Chilly.
    HOW CAN YOU NOT GO FOR TWO?
    Wait...I get it...Chill was counting on another safety out of the defense to give us the 11-10 win.


    Bottom line is the offense is FUGLY.
    Eight/Nine in the box and we can't hit a hot route to give AP a little room out there.
    When anyone can show me the improvement the offense has shown because Gus is in and Action Jackson is out please drop me a note.
    Gus stands in there and gets pounded except for a couple times a game where he throws out of fear and the zebras bail him out with a PI call downfield. I don't want to hear about Berrian's crossing route that turned into a big TD either....my mother could have hit him 5 yds past the line of scrimmage for the same result.
    Anyone else happen to notice how many balls were underthrown/overshot or into the turf today?
    Gus has to go.
    He doesn't have to go far.
    Just over to the bench where he looks best wearing that headset.
    We aren't going to win a playoff game with this band-aid in under center.
    Put T-Jax back in.
    He isn't the Messiah but he gives us something that Gus can't.
    HOPE.
    This team would be 3-3 without the QB change and TJ would have had 4 more games of experience to draw from.
    BC was trigger happy because he was scared of losing his job.
    I've got a news flash for you Vikings fans...Childress is gone if we don't win at least 1 game in the playoffs and that isn't going to happen with run-run-pray Gus can hit a 4 yd slant every 3rd down so why doesn't Chill GROW SOME and ride his horse till the end.
    At least at the end of the day we would know if TJax is for real.
    Please don't post any BS that Gus gives us a better chance to win either because anyone who thinks we are bringing home the Lombardi with that old man under center is kidding themselves.

    Put Jax in.
    Play it out.
    Let it ride.
    If the best we do with Gus is 8-8 at the end of the day, I'd rather give the kid the reigns and see if we can get some first downs.
    Lets face it....this sh*$ we saw today....doesn't inspire people.
    I'm not going to get a hard on watching our kicker get game balls the rest of the year, are you?
    The "Enter" key is your friend.
    ;D

    Am I the only one that didn't have that big a problem with not going for two?
    The conversion rate is quite low for those, and if you happen to not convert (which is VERY likey to happen with this offense) you screw yourself.


    IMO, a two-point conversion at that point in the game just doesn't do much for you; kick an extra point and you're only down by 1, the Lions were doing practically nothing on offense, and there was plenty of time left in the game to win.

    What do you Jared Allen negatives think about him now?
    His pressure on Orlovsky caused him to stupidly step out the back of the end zone for a safety, and ended up being the ultimate difference in this game.
    I didn't have a big problem with it.

    Remember, they are arguing we should have because our offense was lagging.

    Well, pooh, isn't it our offense that needs to get those 2 points?

    LMAO.

    Nice arguments, right?
    Well my point is this, yes our offense was lagging, but you have a chance to tie it up with a succesfull 2 point conversion. Miss it & you end up down by 2 vs. down by 1 with a PAT. Either scenario requires you to score to go ahead, so why not take that shot at that particular moment?


    It's not like we were getting the ball into the redzone during the game & having more opportunities. In fact I believe that it was only the 2nd time in 3 quarters of play that we were down that deep in that end of the field.
    The odds of them getting the 2 points is well below the NFL average, which is itself low.
    They can't find end zone ever, I doubt this time would be magical.
    I am certain Chilly whacks off to field goals.

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