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  1. #101
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    Re: The Future

    "ItalianStallion" wrote:
    "Del" wrote:
    Here is more on Mcnair:

    McNair is a native of Mississippi and played collegiately in that state for Alcorn State University, a historically black university which competes in the NCAA's Division I-AA Southwestern Athletic Conference (SWAC). Many major colleges also recruited McNair to play defensive back. Alcorn State University was one of the few institutions that recruited McNair to play quarterback. Steve followed the foot steps of his older brother Fred McNair (who played at Alcorn 1986-1989, and later played 10 years in the Arena Football League) and decided to attend Alcorn State University.

    In his senior season (1994) he amassed incredible statistics, including over 4,000 yards passing and 2,000 yards rushing. He finished third in the voting for the Heisman Trophy, which is unusual for a player from Division I-AA.

    In other words he was really really really good LMAO.
    Lol, he ran for 2000 yards in one season as a QB?
    That is what I was saying! WOW! LOL!

  2. #102
    Del Rio Guest

    Re: The Future

    Here is more on Tarvaris.

    Tarvaris Jackson is a current American Football quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings. He was the first Alabama State University quarterback drafted into the NFL since Ricky Jones in 1992.

    His pick in the 2006 NFL Draft caused some controversy since he was the first Division I-AA pick of the draft (the last quarterback drafted from his division was Spergon Wynn in 2000), he was picked in the 2nd round (64th overall) when he was projected to go much later in the 4th-7th rounds, and the Vikings used two 3rd round picks to get the 2nd round pick they drafted Jackson with (fearing he may get picked sooner than anticipated). Even Jackson was surprised by the pick saying, "I was more focused on [getting drafted in] the third round and even that was stretching it".[1] Most publications didn't even have him listed as one of the top 10 eligible quarterbacks, while he was the 5th selected.

    Vikings coach Brad Childress was quoted days before the draft as saying he was interested in finding a "developmental guy", a "diamond in the rough" quarterback of the future, raw talent he could teach a system to.[2] Both new coach Childress and Vikings veteran quarterback Brad Johnson have had a lot of success developing quarterbacks in the past - A.J. Feeley and Donovan McNabb owe a lot of their success to Childress, and Chris Simms says Johnson was the best tutor he's ever had. The use of two 3rd round picks showed how much they felt Tarvaris was the guy they wanted to develop. Jackson's quarterbacks coach at Alabama State, Reggie Barlow, played wide receiver with Brad Johnson over at Tampa Bay so Tarvaris had been looking forward to learning from him.

    Jackson played in the more competitive Division I-A during the 2001 season and part of 2002 while attending the University of Arkansas. A shoulder injuries kept him from being a full time starter and when it was decided Matt Jones would start at quarterback instead of him, he transferred to the less competitive Division I-AA at the historically black college Alabama State where each season his performance steadily improved. During Jackson's senior year, he amassed 2,655 yards, 25 touchdowns, and only 5 interceptions with a 61.1% completion rate (although he did not face very tough competition). The Vikings scouting and personnel had reportedly been watching him closely in secret over his senior season, particularly liking his performance in the East-West Shrine Game. They were also impressed by his workout at the scouting combine (among the top-5 quarterbacks in ball speed and 40 yard dash). Several NFL teams including the Vikings had arranged secret workouts with him too.

    The day after the draft Vikings coach Childress was quoted by the St. Paul Pioneer Press as saying: "I think you judge quarterbacks a little bit differently...When you see what you want at the quarterback position, you need to go get it. And that's exactly what I see with Tarvaris Jackson is a guy that's a piece of clay, that has all the skills in terms of, No. 1, what's he look like throwing the football?...He's got a great throwing motion; he's athletic. He has all those things that we're looking for, and he's wired right. That's important for a quarterback. I think he's a flatline guy. I think he's a sponge. You're talking about a guy that never had a coach there as a quarterback coach. So what can he do with coaching?"[3] Jackson's agent, Joel Segal, said: "After the draft, there were two clubs that expressed disappointment and were mad they didn't get him. They were planning to take (Jackson) very high in the third round, and were lamenting the fact that the Vikings beat them".

    On July 26, 2006, Jackson signed a four year deal with Minnesota, including a $1 million signing bonus.[4]

    Jackson's 2006 pre-season passer rating was 106.1, 15th in the league out of 110 quarterbacks who performed. Only one quarterback from his draft class (Jay Cutler) did better. He also showed great scrambling skills averaging 11.3 yards in rushing (the only Viking other than Brad Johnson to average more than 3.3 yards in rushing). ESPN analyst Mike Tirico referred to Jackson as a right handed Michael Vick. His pre-season performance was enough to surpass 2nd and 3rd string QBs Mike McMahon and J.T. O'Sullivan on the depth chart. After the pre-season, McMahon and O'Sullivan were cut from the team and Brooks Bollinger was brought in, who Jackson will be competing against for the number two spot.

    Tarvaris Jackson's name is commonly misspelled as 'Tavaris' or 'Tavarius'. Jackson's current jersey is number 7.

    On September 25, 2006, Tarvaris Jackson had minor knee surgery to repair his meniscus and is supposed to miss 4-6 weeks. He returned to limited practice after two weeks, but is expected to be rehabilitating the remainder of the year


    Looks like my Fran Foley conspiracy theory is wrong, and from this take it looks like the only reason Tarvaris is 3rd string is he is healing and will be healing for the remainder of the season.

    If he is the future, then I would say do not play him until he is healed. Maybe that is all it boils down to is he is not healthy like some of you have suggested.

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    Re: The Future

    "Del" wrote:
    Here is more on Tarvaris.

    Tarvaris Jackson is a current American Football quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings. He was the first Alabama State University quarterback drafted into the NFL since Ricky Jones in 1992.

    His pick in the 2006 NFL Draft caused some controversy since he was the first Division I-AA pick of the draft (the last quarterback drafted from his division was Spergon Wynn in 2000), he was picked in the 2nd round (64th overall) when he was projected to go much later in the 4th-7th rounds, and the Vikings used two 3rd round picks to get the 2nd round pick they drafted Jackson with (fearing he may get picked sooner than anticipated). Even Jackson was surprised by the pick saying, "I was more focused on [getting drafted in] the third round and even that was stretching it".[1] Most publications didn't even have him listed as one of the top 10 eligible quarterbacks, while he was the 5th selected.

    Vikings coach Brad Childress was quoted days before the draft as saying he was interested in finding a "developmental guy", a "diamond in the rough" quarterback of the future, raw talent he could teach a system to.[2] Both new coach Childress and Vikings veteran quarterback Brad Johnson have had a lot of success developing quarterbacks in the past - A.J. Feeley and Donovan McNabb owe a lot of their success to Childress, and Chris Simms says Johnson was the best tutor he's ever had. The use of two 3rd round picks showed how much they felt Tarvaris was the guy they wanted to develop. Jackson's quarterbacks coach at Alabama State, Reggie Barlow, played wide receiver with Brad Johnson over at Tampa Bay so Tarvaris had been looking forward to learning from him.

    Jackson played in the more competitive Division I-A during the 2001 season and part of 2002 while attending the University of Arkansas. A shoulder injuries kept him from being a full time starter and when it was decided Matt Jones would start at quarterback instead of him, he transferred to the less competitive Division I-AA at the historically black college Alabama State where each season his performance steadily improved. During Jackson's senior year, he amassed 2,655 yards, 25 touchdowns, and only 5 interceptions with a 61.1% completion rate (although he did not face very tough competition). The Vikings scouting and personnel had reportedly been watching him closely in secret over his senior season, particularly liking his performance in the East-West Shrine Game. They were also impressed by his workout at the scouting combine (among the top-5 quarterbacks in ball speed and 40 yard dash). Several NFL teams including the Vikings had arranged secret workouts with him too.

    The day after the draft Vikings coach Childress was quoted by the St. Paul Pioneer Press as saying: "I think you judge quarterbacks a little bit differently...When you see what you want at the quarterback position, you need to go get it. And that's exactly what I see with Tarvaris Jackson is a guy that's a piece of clay, that has all the skills in terms of, No. 1, what's he look like throwing the football?...He's got a great throwing motion; he's athletic. He has all those things that we're looking for, and he's wired right. That's important for a quarterback. I think he's a flatline guy. I think he's a sponge. You're talking about a guy that never had a coach there as a quarterback coach. So what can he do with coaching?"[3] Jackson's agent, Joel Segal, said: "After the draft, there were two clubs that expressed disappointment and were mad they didn't get him. They were planning to take (Jackson) very high in the third round, and were lamenting the fact that the Vikings beat them".

    On July 26, 2006, Jackson signed a four year deal with Minnesota, including a $1 million signing bonus.[4]

    Jackson's 2006 pre-season passer rating was 106.1, 15th in the league out of 110 quarterbacks who performed. Only one quarterback from his draft class (Jay Cutler) did better. He also showed great scrambling skills averaging 11.3 yards in rushing (the only Viking other than Brad Johnson to average more than 3.3 yards in rushing). ESPN analyst Mike Tirico referred to Jackson as a right handed Michael Vick. His pre-season performance was enough to surpass 2nd and 3rd string QBs Mike McMahon and J.T. O'Sullivan on the depth chart. After the pre-season, McMahon and O'Sullivan were cut from the team and Brooks Bollinger was brought in, who Jackson will be competing against for the number two spot.

    Tarvaris Jackson's name is commonly misspelled as 'Tavaris' or 'Tavarius'. Jackson's current jersey is number 7.

    On September 25, 2006, Tarvaris Jackson had minor knee surgery to repair his meniscus and is supposed to miss 4-6 weeks. He returned to limited practice after two weeks, but is expected to be rehabilitating the remainder of the year


    Looks like my Fran Foley conspiracy theory is wrong, and from this take it looks like the only reason Tarvaris is 3rd string is he is healing and will be healing for the remainder of the season.

    If he is the future, then I would say do not play him until he is healed. Maybe that is all it boils down to is he is not healthy like some of you have suggested.
    WTF didn't you post this earlier, you asshole!
    This sums up everything.

    What bothers me the most is the people calling out Childress as "I thought he was suppose to be a QB developer guy...." when that is what he is doing with Tarvaris.
    If Childress sticks with Tarvaris and deems him the starter in the future and he sucks then it is time to question Childress' QB development abilities.
    Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain

  4. #104
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    Re: The Future

    "Acumen" wrote:
    "Del" wrote:
    Here is more on Tarvaris.

    Tarvaris Jackson is a current American Football quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings. He was the first Alabama State University quarterback drafted into the NFL since Ricky Jones in 1992.

    His pick in the 2006 NFL Draft caused some controversy since he was the first Division I-AA pick of the draft (the last quarterback drafted from his division was Spergon Wynn in 2000), he was picked in the 2nd round (64th overall) when he was projected to go much later in the 4th-7th rounds, and the Vikings used two 3rd round picks to get the 2nd round pick they drafted Jackson with (fearing he may get picked sooner than anticipated). Even Jackson was surprised by the pick saying, "I was more focused on [getting drafted in] the third round and even that was stretching it".[1] Most publications didn't even have him listed as one of the top 10 eligible quarterbacks, while he was the 5th selected.

    Vikings coach Brad Childress was quoted days before the draft as saying he was interested in finding a "developmental guy", a "diamond in the rough" quarterback of the future, raw talent he could teach a system to.[2] Both new coach Childress and Vikings veteran quarterback Brad Johnson have had a lot of success developing quarterbacks in the past - A.J. Feeley and Donovan McNabb owe a lot of their success to Childress, and Chris Simms says Johnson was the best tutor he's ever had. The use of two 3rd round picks showed how much they felt Tarvaris was the guy they wanted to develop. Jackson's quarterbacks coach at Alabama State, Reggie Barlow, played wide receiver with Brad Johnson over at Tampa Bay so Tarvaris had been looking forward to learning from him.

    Jackson played in the more competitive Division I-A during the 2001 season and part of 2002 while attending the University of Arkansas. A shoulder injuries kept him from being a full time starter and when it was decided Matt Jones would start at quarterback instead of him, he transferred to the less competitive Division I-AA at the historically black college Alabama State where each season his performance steadily improved. During Jackson's senior year, he amassed 2,655 yards, 25 touchdowns, and only 5 interceptions with a 61.1% completion rate (although he did not face very tough competition). The Vikings scouting and personnel had reportedly been watching him closely in secret over his senior season, particularly liking his performance in the East-West Shrine Game. They were also impressed by his workout at the scouting combine (among the top-5 quarterbacks in ball speed and 40 yard dash). Several NFL teams including the Vikings had arranged secret workouts with him too.

    The day after the draft Vikings coach Childress was quoted by the St. Paul Pioneer Press as saying: "I think you judge quarterbacks a little bit differently...When you see what you want at the quarterback position, you need to go get it. And that's exactly what I see with Tarvaris Jackson is a guy that's a piece of clay, that has all the skills in terms of, No. 1, what's he look like throwing the football?...He's got a great throwing motion; he's athletic. He has all those things that we're looking for, and he's wired right. That's important for a quarterback. I think he's a flatline guy. I think he's a sponge. You're talking about a guy that never had a coach there as a quarterback coach. So what can he do with coaching?"[3] Jackson's agent, Joel Segal, said: "After the draft, there were two clubs that expressed disappointment and were mad they didn't get him. They were planning to take (Jackson) very high in the third round, and were lamenting the fact that the Vikings beat them".

    On July 26, 2006, Jackson signed a four year deal with Minnesota, including a $1 million signing bonus.[4]

    Jackson's 2006 pre-season passer rating was 106.1, 15th in the league out of 110 quarterbacks who performed. Only one quarterback from his draft class (Jay Cutler) did better. He also showed great scrambling skills averaging 11.3 yards in rushing (the only Viking other than Brad Johnson to average more than 3.3 yards in rushing). ESPN analyst Mike Tirico referred to Jackson as a right handed Michael Vick. His pre-season performance was enough to surpass 2nd and 3rd string QBs Mike McMahon and J.T. O'Sullivan on the depth chart. After the pre-season, McMahon and O'Sullivan were cut from the team and Brooks Bollinger was brought in, who Jackson will be competing against for the number two spot.

    Tarvaris Jackson's name is commonly misspelled as 'Tavaris' or 'Tavarius'. Jackson's current jersey is number 7.

    On September 25, 2006, Tarvaris Jackson had minor knee surgery to repair his meniscus and is supposed to miss 4-6 weeks. He returned to limited practice after two weeks, but is expected to be rehabilitating the remainder of the year


    Looks like my Fran Foley conspiracy theory is wrong, and from this take it looks like the only reason Tarvaris is 3rd string is he is healing and will be healing for the remainder of the season.

    If he is the future, then I would say do not play him until he is healed. Maybe that is all it boils down to is he is not healthy like some of you have suggested.
    WTF didn't you post this earlier, you donkey butt!
    This sums up everything.

    What bothers me the most is the people calling out Childress as "I thought he was suppose to be a QB developer guy...." when that is what he is doing with Tarvaris.
    If Childress sticks with Tarvaris and deems him the starter in the future and he sucks then it is time to question Childress' QB development abilities.
    I think people are just too impatient and eager to point a finger I guess. I didn't post it because I was talking out of my ass I decided to do some background research on #7 because the draft was a long time ago.

    I think people just need to calm down. Childress gets 3-4 years IMO. Just like Tice, just like any coach we have (thats my personal timeframe) if he is worried about getting Tarvaris hurt then he may be letting the kid heal. You know Childress is stingy when it comes to injuries and personal information.

    Johnson has no contract extension or raise..........perhaps he will be the tutor....who knows.

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