Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123
Results 21 to 27 of 27
  1. #21
    Marrdro's Avatar
    Marrdro is offline Beware My Spreadsheet, Bitches!
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Posts
    43,916

    Re: Frerotte aiming to find rhythm - Hopes to perk up team's offense

    "Chazz" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "Chazz" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "Chazz" wrote:
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=49261.msg870757#msg870757 date=1228057713]
    [quote author=Chazz link=topic=49261.msg870755#msg870755 date=1228057584]
    "He's playing good," Shiancoe said. "We just need to let him loose. In football, people make mistakes. But that's just what it is, man. It's checkers, it's not chess. Let us loose, and we'll do what we can do."
    Sounds like the
    players frustration of Childress offense is starting to spill out into the press....from the O players, none the less.
    Hmmm, I didn't quite take that quote as a "Frustrated Player".

    How can you not take a player who says "Let us loose" as not being frustrated? First part "we just need to let him loose"...to me that says....Gus's hands are being tied. Then " in football, people make mistakes, but that's just what it is"...again, to me that says...Childress is holding Gus back so as he won't make ANY mistakes ie interceptions. Then he says " its checkers, it is not chess"...to me that says " we need to just play, not think and analyze everything. Then he finishes it up with "Let us loose, and we'll do what we can do" to me this say's...just let us play the fricken game and you will see what we are truly capable of!


    There is no doubt in my mind that Chidress destroys QBs.
    He gets them so terrified of throwing a pick, that they will no longer pull the trigger. Gus this year is a perfect example...he was making plays down field, getting rid of the ball in rhythm and scoring TDs, but what came with that was picks. To me that's a fair trade. And now he looks just like every other QB we have put in...120-150 yards with 0% fear of a passing attack. I don't find it to be a coincidence that every QB that has played for Childress looks EXACTLY the same. I will gladly go back to the Offense of the Bears game, ints and all.

    So what your saying is that because a QB starts to make bad decisions with the ball the staff is limiting him in what he can do?

    Comeon my friend.
    There is no handcuffing going on here.
    If there was you wouldn't see all the INT's (he has to pass to get one of those) or sacks (he has to be dropping back to pass if there are one of those) etc etc.

    It comes back to execution.
    The plays are sent in, the players (in this case the QB) needs to execute.

    And no, I don't attribute those lame as quotes as frustration.
    Stuff like this equates to frustration......

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,124462

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3719014

    http://post-gazette.screamingsports.....aspx?a=645496

    Look, I want the Chiller gone almost as much as you, however, I don't think it is gonna happen unless he loses this team and we start to see "frustration" coming out of them and I am not talking about a player sticking up for his QB to the press.
    If you don't see frustration in that sentence then I can't help you.
    If he is not being handcuffed, then why did he use to get the ball out in rhythm, but now holds onto it to long. When Gus first came in, what I liked about him is...good or bad he always pulled the trigger. Now he looks lost like TJ. Gus did not suddenly forget how to throw the ball, so something must have scarred him into holding onto it.































    "HANDCUFFED!!!!"
    I think any QB that sees the pocket disrupted (on a continual basis) by LB's coming in up the middle would feel a bit handcuffed.

    Lets not forget, if you can't step into your throw, you won't be on target.
    IMHO that is a bigger contributor to being handcuffed than trying to say the coaching staff is holding him back.

    Again, you need to explain away the INTs (throwing) and sacks (holding onto the ball to long while throwing) before we start to blame the play calling.

    ;D
    [/quote]


    Not putting it on play calling...at least for now. Just saying that Childress instills a deathly fear of the turnover into the hearts of QBs, to the point where they are too scared to pull the trigger, unless the WR is WIDE open, and then he will only throw it away from the defender instead of to the WR. Which in turn leads to the QB holding on to the ball to long leading to more sacks. And that is how I see it.
    [/quote]
    OK, I'm tracking with you now.

    Quick question related to pulling the trigger.
    Do you think it might also have to do with the WR and the separation they are getting?
    Very seldom do I see a ball completed to one of our WR's were he is/has burned the defender.

    Most of the highlights I see shows the defenders pretty damn close to our recievers.

    I attribute that to two things..... 1) There isn't enough time for the play to develop/reciever get past the defender and 2) Our recievers struggle against defenders that manhandle them at the line......more than I attribute it to the QB.

    Case in point, back to the sacks......Obviously the QB is holding onto the ball and not throwing it. Typically that is called a coverage sack.........and to the INT's......Obviously when they do throw the ball it gets picked.
    Typically that is because the reciever is covered by at least one, possibly two defenders.

    Again, gets back to execution by the players.
    Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/josdin00/Vikings/Marrdro_sig.jpg

  2. #22
    Chazz is offline Coordinator
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    782

    Re: Frerotte aiming to find rhythm - Hopes to perk up team's offense

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "Chazz" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "Chazz" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    [quote author=Chazz link=topic=49261.msg870762#msg870762 date=1228060180]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=49261.msg870757#msg870757 date=1228057713]
    [quote author=Chazz link=topic=49261.msg870755#msg870755 date=1228057584]
    "He's playing good," Shiancoe said. "We just need to let him loose. In football, people make mistakes. But that's just what it is, man. It's checkers, it's not chess. Let us loose, and we'll do what we can do."
    Sounds like the
    players frustration of Childress offense is starting to spill out into the press....from the O players, none the less.
    Hmmm, I didn't quite take that quote as a "Frustrated Player".

    How can you not take a player who says "Let us loose" as not being frustrated? First part "we just need to let him loose"...to me that says....Gus's hands are being tied. Then " in football, people make mistakes, but that's just what it is"...again, to me that says...Childress is holding Gus back so as he won't make ANY mistakes ie interceptions. Then he says " its checkers, it is not chess"...to me that says " we need to just play, not think and analyze everything. Then he finishes it up with "Let us loose, and we'll do what we can do" to me this say's...just let us play the fricken game and you will see what we are truly capable of!


    There is no doubt in my mind that Chidress destroys QBs.
    He gets them so terrified of throwing a pick, that they will no longer pull the trigger. Gus this year is a perfect example...he was making plays down field, getting rid of the ball in rhythm and scoring TDs, but what came with that was picks. To me that's a fair trade. And now he looks just like every other QB we have put in...120-150 yards with 0% fear of a passing attack. I don't find it to be a coincidence that every QB that has played for Childress looks EXACTLY the same. I will gladly go back to the Offense of the Bears game, ints and all.

    So what your saying is that because a QB starts to make bad decisions with the ball the staff is limiting him in what he can do?

    Comeon my friend.
    There is no handcuffing going on here.
    If there was you wouldn't see all the INT's (he has to pass to get one of those) or sacks (he has to be dropping back to pass if there are one of those) etc etc.

    It comes back to execution.
    The plays are sent in, the players (in this case the QB) needs to execute.

    And no, I don't attribute those lame as quotes as frustration.
    Stuff like this equates to frustration......

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,124462

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3719014

    http://post-gazette.screamingsports.....aspx?a=645496

    Look, I want the Chiller gone almost as much as you, however, I don't think it is gonna happen unless he loses this team and we start to see "frustration" coming out of them and I am not talking about a player sticking up for his QB to the press.
    If you don't see frustration in that sentence then I can't help you.
    If he is not being handcuffed, then why did he use to get the ball out in rhythm, but now holds onto it to long. When Gus first came in, what I liked about him is...good or bad he always pulled the trigger. Now he looks lost like TJ. Gus did not suddenly forget how to throw the ball, so something must have scarred him into holding onto it.































    "HANDCUFFED!!!!"
    I think any QB that sees the pocket disrupted (on a continual basis) by LB's coming in up the middle would feel a bit handcuffed.

    Lets not forget, if you can't step into your throw, you won't be on target.
    IMHO that is a bigger contributor to being handcuffed than trying to say the coaching staff is holding him back.

    Again, you need to explain away the INTs (throwing) and sacks (holding onto the ball to long while throwing) before we start to blame the play calling.

    ;D
    [/quote]


    Not putting it on play calling...at least for now. Just saying that Childress instills a deathly fear of the turnover into the hearts of QBs, to the point where they are too scared to pull the trigger, unless the WR is WIDE open, and then he will only throw it away from the defender instead of to the WR. Which in turn leads to the QB holding on to the ball to long leading to more sacks. And that is how I see it.
    [/quote]
    OK, I'm tracking with you now.

    Quick question related to pulling the trigger.
    Do you think it might also have to do with the WR and the separation they are getting?
    Very seldom do I see a ball completed to one of our WR's were he is/has burned the defender.

    Most of the highlights I see shows the defenders pretty damn close to our recievers.

    I attribute that to two things..... 1) There isn't enough time for the play to develop/reciever get past the defender and 2) Our recievers struggle against defenders that manhandle them at the line......more than I attribute it to the QB.

    Case in point, back to the sacks......Obviously the QB is holding onto the ball and not throwing it. Typically that is called a coverage sack.........and to the INT's......Obviously when they do throw the ball it gets picked.
    Typically that is because the reciever is covered by at least one, possibly two defenders.

    Again, gets back to execution by the players.
    [/quote]

    Our WRs do need to do a better job...no doubt. In accordance with that...when Gus first came in he got rid of the ball on time, WR well covered or not, and had a 50:50 TD:INT ratio, and I'm ok with that. Now, he drops back starts to throw, then takes it back, looks around, starts dancing, then gets sacked or throws an ugly pass. To me it looks like the coach is in his head. The same could be said of our whole team. They all seem to be thinking about what to do instead of just doing. To quote Nike "just do it". At some point the coach needs to put trust in his players and let go of the reigns.

  3. #23
    Marrdro's Avatar
    Marrdro is offline Beware My Spreadsheet, Bitches!
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Posts
    43,916

    Re: Frerotte aiming to find rhythm - Hopes to perk up team's offense

    "Chazz" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "Chazz" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "Chazz" wrote:
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=49261.msg870763#msg870763 date=1228060705]
    [quote author=Chazz link=topic=49261.msg870762#msg870762 date=1228060180]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=49261.msg870757#msg870757 date=1228057713]
    [quote author=Chazz link=topic=49261.msg870755#msg870755 date=1228057584]
    "He's playing good," Shiancoe said. "We just need to let him loose. In football, people make mistakes. But that's just what it is, man. It's checkers, it's not chess. Let us loose, and we'll do what we can do."
    Sounds like the
    players frustration of Childress offense is starting to spill out into the press....from the O players, none the less.
    Hmmm, I didn't quite take that quote as a "Frustrated Player".

    How can you not take a player who says "Let us loose" as not being frustrated? First part "we just need to let him loose"...to me that says....Gus's hands are being tied. Then " in football, people make mistakes, but that's just what it is"...again, to me that says...Childress is holding Gus back so as he won't make ANY mistakes ie interceptions. Then he says " its checkers, it is not chess"...to me that says " we need to just play, not think and analyze everything. Then he finishes it up with "Let us loose, and we'll do what we can do" to me this say's...just let us play the fricken game and you will see what we are truly capable of!


    There is no doubt in my mind that Chidress destroys QBs.
    He gets them so terrified of throwing a pick, that they will no longer pull the trigger. Gus this year is a perfect example...he was making plays down field, getting rid of the ball in rhythm and scoring TDs, but what came with that was picks. To me that's a fair trade. And now he looks just like every other QB we have put in...120-150 yards with 0% fear of a passing attack. I don't find it to be a coincidence that every QB that has played for Childress looks EXACTLY the same. I will gladly go back to the Offense of the Bears game, ints and all.

    So what your saying is that because a QB starts to make bad decisions with the ball the staff is limiting him in what he can do?

    Comeon my friend.
    There is no handcuffing going on here.
    If there was you wouldn't see all the INT's (he has to pass to get one of those) or sacks (he has to be dropping back to pass if there are one of those) etc etc.

    It comes back to execution.
    The plays are sent in, the players (in this case the QB) needs to execute.

    And no, I don't attribute those lame as quotes as frustration.
    Stuff like this equates to frustration......

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,124462

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3719014

    http://post-gazette.screamingsports.....aspx?a=645496

    Look, I want the Chiller gone almost as much as you, however, I don't think it is gonna happen unless he loses this team and we start to see "frustration" coming out of them and I am not talking about a player sticking up for his QB to the press.
    If you don't see frustration in that sentence then I can't help you.
    If he is not being handcuffed, then why did he use to get the ball out in rhythm, but now holds onto it to long. When Gus first came in, what I liked about him is...good or bad he always pulled the trigger. Now he looks lost like TJ. Gus did not suddenly forget how to throw the ball, so something must have scarred him into holding onto it.































    "HANDCUFFED!!!!"
    I think any QB that sees the pocket disrupted (on a continual basis) by LB's coming in up the middle would feel a bit handcuffed.

    Lets not forget, if you can't step into your throw, you won't be on target.
    IMHO that is a bigger contributor to being handcuffed than trying to say the coaching staff is holding him back.

    Again, you need to explain away the INTs (throwing) and sacks (holding onto the ball to long while throwing) before we start to blame the play calling.

    ;D
    [/quote]


    Not putting it on play calling...at least for now. Just saying that Childress instills a deathly fear of the turnover into the hearts of QBs, to the point where they are too scared to pull the trigger, unless the WR is WIDE open, and then he will only throw it away from the defender instead of to the WR. Which in turn leads to the QB holding on to the ball to long leading to more sacks. And that is how I see it.
    [/quote]
    OK, I'm tracking with you now.

    Quick question related to pulling the trigger.
    Do you think it might also have to do with the WR and the separation they are getting?
    Very seldom do I see a ball completed to one of our WR's were he is/has burned the defender.

    Most of the highlights I see shows the defenders pretty gol 'darnit close to our recievers.

    I attribute that to two things..... 1) There isn't enough time for the play to develop/reciever get past the defender and 2) Our recievers struggle against defenders that manhandle them at the line......more than I attribute it to the QB.

    Case in point, back to the sacks......Obviously the QB is holding onto the ball and not throwing it. Typically that is called a coverage sack.........and to the INT's......Obviously when they do throw the ball it gets picked.
    Typically that is because the reciever is covered by at least one, possibly two defenders.

    Again, gets back to execution by the players.
    [/quote]

    Our WRs do need to do a better job...no doubt. In accordance with that...when Gus first came in he got rid of the ball on time, WR well covered or not, and had a 50:50 TD:INT ratio, and I'm ok with that. Now, he drops back starts to throw, then takes it back, looks around, starts dancing, then gets sacked or throws an ugly pass. To me it looks like the coach is in his head. The same could be said of our whole team. They all seem to be thinking about what to do instead of just doing. To quote Nike "just do it". At some point the coach needs to put trust in his players and let go of the reigns.
    [/quote]
    The coach could have something to do with that but I really think it is more along the lines of the WR's aren't open......
    Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/josdin00/Vikings/Marrdro_sig.jpg

  4. #24
    Chazz is offline Coordinator
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    782

    Re: Frerotte aiming to find rhythm - Hopes to perk up team's offense

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "Chazz" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "Chazz" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    [quote author=Chazz link=topic=49261.msg870767#msg870767 date=1228061269]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=49261.msg870763#msg870763 date=1228060705]
    [quote author=Chazz link=topic=49261.msg870762#msg870762 date=1228060180]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=49261.msg870757#msg870757 date=1228057713]
    [quote author=Chazz link=topic=49261.msg870755#msg870755 date=1228057584]
    "He's playing good," Shiancoe said. "We just need to let him loose. In football, people make mistakes. But that's just what it is, man. It's checkers, it's not chess. Let us loose, and we'll do what we can do."
    Sounds like the
    players frustration of Childress offense is starting to spill out into the press....from the O players, none the less.
    Hmmm, I didn't quite take that quote as a "Frustrated Player".

    How can you not take a player who says "Let us loose" as not being frustrated? First part "we just need to let him loose"...to me that says....Gus's hands are being tied. Then " in football, people make mistakes, but that's just what it is"...again, to me that says...Childress is holding Gus back so as he won't make ANY mistakes ie interceptions. Then he says " its checkers, it is not chess"...to me that says " we need to just play, not think and analyze everything. Then he finishes it up with "Let us loose, and we'll do what we can do" to me this say's...just let us play the fricken game and you will see what we are truly capable of!


    There is no doubt in my mind that Chidress destroys QBs.
    He gets them so terrified of throwing a pick, that they will no longer pull the trigger. Gus this year is a perfect example...he was making plays down field, getting rid of the ball in rhythm and scoring TDs, but what came with that was picks. To me that's a fair trade. And now he looks just like every other QB we have put in...120-150 yards with 0% fear of a passing attack. I don't find it to be a coincidence that every QB that has played for Childress looks EXACTLY the same. I will gladly go back to the Offense of the Bears game, ints and all.

    So what your saying is that because a QB starts to make bad decisions with the ball the staff is limiting him in what he can do?

    Comeon my friend.
    There is no handcuffing going on here.
    If there was you wouldn't see all the INT's (he has to pass to get one of those) or sacks (he has to be dropping back to pass if there are one of those) etc etc.

    It comes back to execution.
    The plays are sent in, the players (in this case the QB) needs to execute.

    And no, I don't attribute those lame as quotes as frustration.
    Stuff like this equates to frustration......

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,124462

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3719014

    http://post-gazette.screamingsports.....aspx?a=645496

    Look, I want the Chiller gone almost as much as you, however, I don't think it is gonna happen unless he loses this team and we start to see "frustration" coming out of them and I am not talking about a player sticking up for his QB to the press.
    If you don't see frustration in that sentence then I can't help you.
    If he is not being handcuffed, then why did he use to get the ball out in rhythm, but now holds onto it to long. When Gus first came in, what I liked about him is...good or bad he always pulled the trigger. Now he looks lost like TJ. Gus did not suddenly forget how to throw the ball, so something must have scarred him into holding onto it.































    "HANDCUFFED!!!!"
    I think any QB that sees the pocket disrupted (on a continual basis) by LB's coming in up the middle would feel a bit handcuffed.

    Lets not forget, if you can't step into your throw, you won't be on target.
    IMHO that is a bigger contributor to being handcuffed than trying to say the coaching staff is holding him back.

    Again, you need to explain away the INTs (throwing) and sacks (holding onto the ball to long while throwing) before we start to blame the play calling.

    ;D
    [/quote]


    Not putting it on play calling...at least for now. Just saying that Childress instills a deathly fear of the turnover into the hearts of QBs, to the point where they are too scared to pull the trigger, unless the WR is WIDE open, and then he will only throw it away from the defender instead of to the WR. Which in turn leads to the QB holding on to the ball to long leading to more sacks. And that is how I see it.
    [/quote]
    OK, I'm tracking with you now.

    Quick question related to pulling the trigger.
    Do you think it might also have to do with the WR and the separation they are getting?
    Very seldom do I see a ball completed to one of our WR's were he is/has burned the defender.

    Most of the highlights I see shows the defenders pretty gol 'darnit close to our recievers.

    I attribute that to two things..... 1) There isn't enough time for the play to develop/reciever get past the defender and 2) Our recievers struggle against defenders that manhandle them at the line......more than I attribute it to the QB.

    Case in point, back to the sacks......Obviously the QB is holding onto the ball and not throwing it. Typically that is called a coverage sack.........and to the INT's......Obviously when they do throw the ball it gets picked.
    Typically that is because the reciever is covered by at least one, possibly two defenders.

    Again, gets back to execution by the players.
    [/quote]

    Our WRs do need to do a better job...no doubt. In accordance with that...when Gus first came in he got rid of the ball on time, WR well covered or not, and had a 50:50 TD:INT ratio, and I'm ok with that. Now, he drops back starts to throw, then takes it back, looks around, starts dancing, then gets sacked or throws an ugly pass. To me it looks like the coach is in his head. The same could be said of our whole team. They all seem to be thinking about what to do instead of just doing. To quote Nike "just do it". At some point the coach needs to put trust in his players and let go of the reigns.
    [/quote]
    The coach could have something to do with that but I really think it is more along the lines of the WR's aren't open......
    [/quote]

    Funny...why then were the same WRs open a month ago?

  5. #25
    Marrdro's Avatar
    Marrdro is offline Beware My Spreadsheet, Bitches!
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Posts
    43,916

    Re: Frerotte aiming to find rhythm - Hopes to perk up team's offense

    "Chazz" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "Chazz" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "Chazz" wrote:
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=49261.msg870776#msg870776 date=1228064134]
    [quote author=Chazz link=topic=49261.msg870767#msg870767 date=1228061269]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=49261.msg870763#msg870763 date=1228060705]
    [quote author=Chazz link=topic=49261.msg870762#msg870762 date=1228060180]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=49261.msg870757#msg870757 date=1228057713]
    [quote author=Chazz link=topic=49261.msg870755#msg870755 date=1228057584]
    "He's playing good," Shiancoe said. "We just need to let him loose. In football, people make mistakes. But that's just what it is, man. It's checkers, it's not chess. Let us loose, and we'll do what we can do."
    Sounds like the
    players frustration of Childress offense is starting to spill out into the press....from the O players, none the less.
    Hmmm, I didn't quite take that quote as a "Frustrated Player".

    How can you not take a player who says "Let us loose" as not being frustrated? First part "we just need to let him loose"...to me that says....Gus's hands are being tied. Then " in football, people make mistakes, but that's just what it is"...again, to me that says...Childress is holding Gus back so as he won't make ANY mistakes ie interceptions. Then he says " its checkers, it is not chess"...to me that says " we need to just play, not think and analyze everything. Then he finishes it up with "Let us loose, and we'll do what we can do" to me this say's...just let us play the fricken game and you will see what we are truly capable of!


    There is no doubt in my mind that Chidress destroys QBs.
    He gets them so terrified of throwing a pick, that they will no longer pull the trigger. Gus this year is a perfect example...he was making plays down field, getting rid of the ball in rhythm and scoring TDs, but what came with that was picks. To me that's a fair trade. And now he looks just like every other QB we have put in...120-150 yards with 0% fear of a passing attack. I don't find it to be a coincidence that every QB that has played for Childress looks EXACTLY the same. I will gladly go back to the Offense of the Bears game, ints and all.

    So what your saying is that because a QB starts to make bad decisions with the ball the staff is limiting him in what he can do?

    Comeon my friend.
    There is no handcuffing going on here.
    If there was you wouldn't see all the INT's (he has to pass to get one of those) or sacks (he has to be dropping back to pass if there are one of those) etc etc.

    It comes back to execution.
    The plays are sent in, the players (in this case the QB) needs to execute.

    And no, I don't attribute those lame as quotes as frustration.
    Stuff like this equates to frustration......

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,124462

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3719014

    http://post-gazette.screamingsports.....aspx?a=645496

    Look, I want the Chiller gone almost as much as you, however, I don't think it is gonna happen unless he loses this team and we start to see "frustration" coming out of them and I am not talking about a player sticking up for his QB to the press.
    If you don't see frustration in that sentence then I can't help you.
    If he is not being handcuffed, then why did he use to get the ball out in rhythm, but now holds onto it to long. When Gus first came in, what I liked about him is...good or bad he always pulled the trigger. Now he looks lost like TJ. Gus did not suddenly forget how to throw the ball, so something must have scarred him into holding onto it.































    "HANDCUFFED!!!!"
    I think any QB that sees the pocket disrupted (on a continual basis) by LB's coming in up the middle would feel a bit handcuffed.

    Lets not forget, if you can't step into your throw, you won't be on target.
    IMHO that is a bigger contributor to being handcuffed than trying to say the coaching staff is holding him back.

    Again, you need to explain away the INTs (throwing) and sacks (holding onto the ball to long while throwing) before we start to blame the play calling.

    ;D
    [/quote]


    Not putting it on play calling...at least for now. Just saying that Childress instills a deathly fear of the turnover into the hearts of QBs, to the point where they are too scared to pull the trigger, unless the WR is WIDE open, and then he will only throw it away from the defender instead of to the WR. Which in turn leads to the QB holding on to the ball to long leading to more sacks. And that is how I see it.
    [/quote]
    OK, I'm tracking with you now.

    Quick question related to pulling the trigger.
    Do you think it might also have to do with the WR and the separation they are getting?
    Very seldom do I see a ball completed to one of our WR's were he is/has burned the defender.

    Most of the highlights I see shows the defenders pretty gol 'darnit close to our recievers.

    I attribute that to two things..... 1) There isn't enough time for the play to develop/reciever get past the defender and 2) Our recievers struggle against defenders that manhandle them at the line......more than I attribute it to the QB.

    Case in point, back to the sacks......Obviously the QB is holding onto the ball and not throwing it. Typically that is called a coverage sack.........and to the INT's......Obviously when they do throw the ball it gets picked.
    Typically that is because the reciever is covered by at least one, possibly two defenders.

    Again, gets back to execution by the players.
    [/quote]

    Our WRs do need to do a better job...no doubt. In accordance with that...when Gus first came in he got rid of the ball on time, WR well covered or not, and had a 50:50 TD:INT ratio, and I'm ok with that. Now, he drops back starts to throw, then takes it back, looks around, starts dancing, then gets sacked or throws an ugly pass. To me it looks like the coach is in his head. The same could be said of our whole team. They all seem to be thinking about what to do instead of just doing. To quote Nike "just do it". At some point the coach needs to put trust in his players and let go of the reigns.
    [/quote]
    The coach could have something to do with that but I really think it is more along the lines of the WR's aren't open......
    [/quote]

    Funny...why then were the same WRs open a month ago?
    [/quote]
    Were they really getting that open?
    Seems to me they had some success for about 2 games.
    Since then the TE has been leading or at the top of the ladder in reception yards.

    Anyway, it could be alot of things........

    a.
    Different types of CB's they are facing.
    Zone vs man to man.
    b.
    QB has less time to get rid of the ball (again see my repeated comment on delayed blitzing).
    c.
    Heck even the down and distance could come into play with respect to how well the RB did on the down previous to the pass.
    Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/josdin00/Vikings/Marrdro_sig.jpg

  6. #26
    gagarr's Avatar
    gagarr is offline Team Alumni
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,411

    Re: Frerotte aiming to find rhythm - Hopes to perk up team's offense

    "Chazz" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "Chazz" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "Chazz" wrote:
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=49261.msg870763#msg870763 date=1228060705]
    [quote author=Chazz link=topic=49261.msg870762#msg870762 date=1228060180]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=49261.msg870757#msg870757 date=1228057713]
    [quote author=Chazz link=topic=49261.msg870755#msg870755 date=1228057584]
    "He's playing good," Shiancoe said. "We just need to let him loose. In football, people make mistakes. But that's just what it is, man. It's checkers, it's not chess. Let us loose, and we'll do what we can do."
    Sounds like the
    players frustration of Childress offense is starting to spill out into the press....from the O players, none the less.
    Hmmm, I didn't quite take that quote as a "Frustrated Player".

    How can you not take a player who says "Let us loose" as not being frustrated? First part "we just need to let him loose"...to me that says....Gus's hands are being tied. Then " in football, people make mistakes, but that's just what it is"...again, to me that says...Childress is holding Gus back so as he won't make ANY mistakes ie interceptions. Then he says " its checkers, it is not chess"...to me that says " we need to just play, not think and analyze everything. Then he finishes it up with "Let us loose, and we'll do what we can do" to me this say's...just let us play the fricken game and you will see what we are truly capable of!


    There is no doubt in my mind that Chidress destroys QBs.
    He gets them so terrified of throwing a pick, that they will no longer pull the trigger. Gus this year is a perfect example...he was making plays down field, getting rid of the ball in rhythm and scoring TDs, but what came with that was picks. To me that's a fair trade. And now he looks just like every other QB we have put in...120-150 yards with 0% fear of a passing attack. I don't find it to be a coincidence that every QB that has played for Childress looks EXACTLY the same. I will gladly go back to the Offense of the Bears game, ints and all.

    So what your saying is that because a QB starts to make bad decisions with the ball the staff is limiting him in what he can do?

    Comeon my friend.
    There is no handcuffing going on here.
    If there was you wouldn't see all the INT's (he has to pass to get one of those) or sacks (he has to be dropping back to pass if there are one of those) etc etc.

    It comes back to execution.
    The plays are sent in, the players (in this case the QB) needs to execute.

    And no, I don't attribute those lame as quotes as frustration.
    Stuff like this equates to frustration......

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,124462

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3719014

    http://post-gazette.screamingsports.....aspx?a=645496

    Look, I want the Chiller gone almost as much as you, however, I don't think it is gonna happen unless he loses this team and we start to see "frustration" coming out of them and I am not talking about a player sticking up for his QB to the press.
    If you don't see frustration in that sentence then I can't help you.
    If he is not being handcuffed, then why did he use to get the ball out in rhythm, but now holds onto it to long. When Gus first came in, what I liked about him is...good or bad he always pulled the trigger. Now he looks lost like TJ. Gus did not suddenly forget how to throw the ball, so something must have scarred him into holding onto it.































    "HANDCUFFED!!!!"
    I think any QB that sees the pocket disrupted (on a continual basis) by LB's coming in up the middle would feel a bit handcuffed.

    Lets not forget, if you can't step into your throw, you won't be on target.
    IMHO that is a bigger contributor to being handcuffed than trying to say the coaching staff is holding him back.

    Again, you need to explain away the INTs (throwing) and sacks (holding onto the ball to long while throwing) before we start to blame the play calling.

    ;D
    [/quote]


    Not putting it on play calling...at least for now. Just saying that Childress instills a deathly fear of the turnover into the hearts of QBs, to the point where they are too scared to pull the trigger, unless the WR is WIDE open, and then he will only throw it away from the defender instead of to the WR. Which in turn leads to the QB holding on to the ball to long leading to more sacks. And that is how I see it.
    [/quote]
    OK, I'm tracking with you now.

    Quick question related to pulling the trigger.
    Do you think it might also have to do with the WR and the separation they are getting?
    Very seldom do I see a ball completed to one of our WR's were he is/has burned the defender.

    Most of the highlights I see shows the defenders pretty gol 'darnit close to our recievers.

    I attribute that to two things..... 1) There isn't enough time for the play to develop/reciever get past the defender and 2) Our recievers struggle against defenders that manhandle them at the line......more than I attribute it to the QB.

    Case in point, back to the sacks......Obviously the QB is holding onto the ball and not throwing it. Typically that is called a coverage sack.........and to the INT's......Obviously when they do throw the ball it gets picked.
    Typically that is because the reciever is covered by at least one, possibly two defenders.

    Again, gets back to execution by the players.
    [/quote]

    Our WRs do need to do a better job...no doubt. In accordance with that...when Gus first came in he got rid of the ball on time, WR well covered or not, and had a 50:50 TD:INT ratio, and I'm ok with that. Now, he drops back starts to throw, then takes it back, looks around, starts dancing, then gets sacked or throws an ugly pass. To me it looks like the coach is in his head. The same could be said of our whole team. They all seem to be thinking about what to do instead of just doing. To quote Nike "just do it". At some point the coach needs to put trust in his players and let go of the reigns.
    [/quote]

    Hit the nail on the head...

    Everyone knows it's playoffs or bust for Chilly.... Chilly knows it and I'm sure that tension is showing.
    The team is picking up on it as the season progresses.
    This may very well be Gus's last season and I'm sure he would like to end his career on a positive note.
    AD is getting frustrated, I'm sure he feels like he needs to carry the team. The DL isn't living up to all the pre-season hype.
    The Williams are scared of a 4 game suspension.
    The ST's are being blamed for losing games giving up TD's right and left.

    All of this is leading to a very tense team, that only seems to play well when they have a good lead.

    If the Vikes can win against the Bears and Lions, and the Bears can lose to the Jags, giving the Vikes a 2 game lead in the North with only 3 games to go.... then I think they will all breath and play loose the final games and will make the playoffs and may very
    well win there too.

    I think we all know that the Vikes have the talent (although weak at QB) to get things done.
    They just got to get the monkey off their backs.
    [size=12pt]
    Page 148.5 **Doleman 150.5 **Randle 137.5 **Allen 73+
    [/size]

  7. #27
    Marrdro's Avatar
    Marrdro is offline Beware My Spreadsheet, Bitches!
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Posts
    43,916

    Re: Frerotte aiming to find rhythm - Hopes to perk up team's offense

    "gagarr" wrote:
    Hit the nail on the head...

    Everyone knows it's playoffs or bust for Chilly.... Chilly knows it and I'm sure that tension is showing.
    The team is picking up on it as the season progresses.
    This may very well be Gus's last season and I'm sure he would like to end his career on a positive note.
    AD is getting frustrated, I'm sure he feels like he needs to carry the team. The DL isn't living up to all the pre-season hype.
    The Williams are scared of a 4 game suspension.
    The ST's are being blamed for losing games giving up TD's right and left.

    All of this is leading to a very tense team, that only seems to play well when they have a good lead.

    If the Vikes can win against the Bears and Lions, and the Bears can lose to the Jags, giving the Vikes a 2 game lead in the North with only 3 games to go.... then I think they will all breath and play loose the final games and will make the playoffs and may very
    well win there too.

    I think we all know that the Vikes have the talent (although weak at QB) to get things done.
    They just got to get the monkey off their backs.
    Lots of tension going on here.
    Wonder what evidence you have to back that up?
    :

    Look, I am all for the guy getting the book/shown the door and all of his coaching staff right along with him, however, I just don't see it happening the way you say it is.
    Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/josdin00/Vikings/Marrdro_sig.jpg

Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123

Similar Threads

  1. Thief hopes ironworkers don't find him
    By BadlandsVikings in forum The Clubhouse
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 12-03-2007, 06:34 PM
  2. Vikings - Offense Hopes To Air It Out In Seattle
    By singersp in forum Vikings Fan Forum
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 08-24-2007, 11:45 AM
  3. Robinson frustrated with Childress and team's offense
    By singersp in forum Vikings Fan Forum
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 12-23-2006, 04:07 PM
  4. Despite team's success, Vikings' offense has been spotty
    By singersp in forum Vikings Fan Forum
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 12-02-2005, 05:29 PM
  5. Culpepper tries to find that rhythm
    By singersp in forum Vikings Fan Forum
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 09-16-2005, 05:06 AM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •