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    Re: Frazier Vouches For Berrian

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    Frazier Vouches For Berrian
    Frazier also said Madieu Williams did a great job for us.

    I'm quickly losing confidence that Frazier is our guy.
    I don't really care what Frazier says to the press to make guys feel good, Madieu Williams is still gone.

    And Berrian should be gone too, unless he agrees to a much smaller salary. He'll be 31 this season and has not been a factor for a few years.

    I hope that Frazier talking him up is only to create the impression that the Vikings aren't desperate to sign one of the other WR's on the market in as much as that could give the team leverage in contract negotiations.
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    Re: Frazier Vouches For Berrian

    If you all think he is the option to keep over cutting and signing Braylon. Come on down to Jonestown I got some better Kool-Aid to drink.. We dont need anymore #2s & #3 WRs on this team.. As far as Cam goes. I dont think that Chilly had sense enough to involve him in scheme.. Chilly was an idiot, we all know this....

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    Re: Frazier Vouches For Berrian

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1102060
    Quote Originally Posted by "MindCrimes67" #1102058
    My question is how do you keep an unproductive WR who is grossly overpaid on our roster? BB is not gonna work. We let Sidney walk to sign the WRs we did, and to keep BB.. Got to be kidding me.. Cut his sorry butt, and go after a true #1 WR.. Which is Braylon Edwards.. Got to quit with all this Jenkins, Jones, Floyd stuff they are not #1 receivers... Braylon is the only #1 out there... Just my thoughts..
    That unproductive reciever was very productive with the likes of Gus and TJ throwing to him. Just like he was in Boresville with whats his name throwing to him.

    I know alot of people on here will balk at the thought, but maybe, just maybe the problem wasn't BB, but rather the QB.

    Lets not forget, Cam came in as a pretty reliable (although not a start) reciever that disappeared as well.

    My guess, now that we have a QB that will be in camp and go through the process with the recievers, ALL of our recievers will be productive and not just a select few.
    When I saw mindcrimes post I knew you would respond by blaming the QB.

    After a slow start in 09 due to injury BB had a reasonable year as Caine pointed out. But in 10 he disappeared. Same QB.

    Now I will give the QB his share of the blame but what I saw on the field was a receiver who couldn't beat anyone long, and couldn't get separation on short routes.
    Cam is simply too slow to get open cosistantly. Same for Lewis.

    I'm going to hope BB was simply injured last year and will regain some speed this year providing we keep him.

    Even better I'm hoping Frazier is blowing smoke in an attempt to get some other team to buy into it.

    If the Vikings stand pat with their receiver corps, someone who has never done it before will have to step up big time in order for the team to have any success in the NFCN.
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    Re: Frazier Vouches For Berrian

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    Berrian seemingly was not a favorite of Brett Favre and hit rock bottom in 2010 when he only netted 28 catches, 252 yards, and no touchdowns. Head coach Leslie Frazier, however, seems willing to shrug off the down year and make Berrian earn his money.

    Bernard Berrian is going to step up and have a great year, Frazier said on Friday.

    Frazier also said that acquiring one of the few remaining free agent receivers is not our focus and dismissed the idea that his offense will be unable to stretch the field.

    Weve got Bernard Berrian here for a reason, Frazier said. Hes going step up and help us in that (deep-ball) area. Percy (Harvin) can still catch the ball deep. Visanthe (Shiancoe) can still stretch the field down the middle of the field. Weve got some weapons to stretch the field when we need to.
    Frazier Vouches For Berrian

    Two things.....1. I agree with Coach Frazier. I think we will BB return to Pre-Noodle BB numbers.

    2. I'm not sure why everyone seems to think the losing of Rice limits our ability to go deep. That isn't our problem. Rice gave us a big body threat in the short to intermediate stuff and the redzone (which equates to short to intermediate stuff my friends).

    Get a guy that can fill that void and we will be alright. My guess, the staff thinks they all ready have a guy who can compete for that position.

    Atleast to the level of who is left on the FA market (except Plax).
    1: Which numbers would those be?

    His '08 numbers (48 catches, 968 yds, 7 TD's)?

    Or '07, his last season with the Bears (71 catches, 951 yds, 5 TDs)?

    With Favre in '09 he had 55 catches (his most as a Viking, and his second highest total to date), 618 yds, and 4 TDs.

    in '10, he disappeared.

    So, which Berrian are we seeing the return of? The one we've never seen (from '07)? Or a different one?

    2: Rice had little to do with our ability to go deep...Berrian's inability to create separation had a lot more to do with that.

    FWIW, I hope Frazier is right...but I ain't betting heavily on it.

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    Nothing wrong with a cat who gets 1,000ish with crap QB's throwing to him.

    Based on alot of multiple TE sets and a re-focus on running the ball, that should be more than enough to make this offense effective in that area.
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    Re: Frazier Vouches For Berrian

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1102065
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102062
    Quote Originally Posted by "MindCrimes67" #1102058
    My question is how do you keep an unproductive WR who is grossly overpaid on our roster? BB is not gonna work. We let Sidney walk to sign the WRs we did, and to keep BB.. Got to be kidding me.. Cut his sorry butt, and go after a true #1 WR.. Which is Braylon Edwards.. Got to quit with all this Jenkins, Jones, Floyd stuff they are not #1 receivers... Braylon is the only #1 out there... Just my thoughts..

    One only needs to look at our LT for your answer.

    Same reason.



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    Everyone thought Shanc was overpayed as well, until 08, when the OL started to gel and he was allowed to get out in more routes.

    I think we will see Shanc step back into the limelight again this year as well, especially if all the starters on the OL are back/healthy.
    Actually it was more that shanc started catching footballs than anything else.
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    Re: Frazier Vouches For Berrian

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1102060
    Quote Originally Posted by "MindCrimes67" #1102058
    My question is how do you keep an unproductive WR who is grossly overpaid on our roster? BB is not gonna work. We let Sidney walk to sign the WRs we did, and to keep BB.. Got to be kidding me.. Cut his sorry butt, and go after a true #1 WR.. Which is Braylon Edwards.. Got to quit with all this Jenkins, Jones, Floyd stuff they are not #1 receivers... Braylon is the only #1 out there... Just my thoughts..
    That unproductive reciever was very productive with the likes of Gus and TJ throwing to him. Just like he was in Boresville with whats his name throwing to him.

    I know alot of people on here will balk at the thought, but maybe, just maybe the problem wasn't BB, but rather the QB.

    Lets not forget, Cam came in as a pretty reliable (although not a start) reciever that disappeared as well.

    My guess, now that we have a QB that will be in camp and go through the process with the recievers, ALL of our recievers will be productive and not just a select few.
    If you honestly believe the last QB was a problem you are going to be thoroughly disappointed with the solution they just traded for.

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    Re: Frazier Vouches For Berrian

    Frankly, if we cannot sign anyone better at WR or elsewhere and we can afford the $5M, why not keep him. But I would like to think that $5M (plus some extra) could get us Braylon or Cromartie or something more consistent and healthy than BB has been.




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    Re: Frazier Vouches For Berrian

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    Frankly, if we cannot sign anyone better at WR or elsewhere and we can afford the $5M, why not keep him. But I would like to think that $5M (plus some extra) could get us Braylon or Cromartie or something more consistent and healthy than BB has been.

    Because he is not worth affording. Not sure of his exact salary last year. But for the sake of argument lets say it was 3 mil. He had a whole 28 rec, which averages out to $107,142 per reception..




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    ^^ If the choices are keep BB or put $5M in Zygi's pocket, I'll keep BB. Now I love Zygi and have no problem with him making money but keeping BB has no downside on the field (it's not like he's a troublemaker) unless it hinders getting someone else.


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    Re: Frazier Vouches For Berrian

    So far in his contract we have paid him 6.7 mill. His stats for that money are 131 rec, 1834 yds, 11tds. He is due 3.9 million, with a salary cap hit of over 6 mil. If we cut him that is 3.9 million towards a Braylon Edwards.

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