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    Re: Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson

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    This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
    We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


    Madieu Williams?



    The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.
    Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
    The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:


    Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnt have a quarterback they could rely on.
    Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

    Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson


    Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

    That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.
    Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?

    Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.

    Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
    This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P
    The roll outs even with Favre are covering it up. Your boy Chilly was just too stupid to make the adjustment.
    What adjustments could have been made?
    Wow that went right over your head.
    Its happened before, it will happen again. Please enlighten me.
    Dude I even said it in my post. Rolling the QB out will help the OL. Chilly could not figure that adjustment out.
    And I said he couldn't cause the Noodles ankle, you know, the one with the busted bones, wouldn't allow that.

    So, going on that little premise, what adjustment should have he made?
    You don't know that.

    You can play that little game. Funny how know you want to use his injury as an excuse but we can't. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Child please.

    I will play your little game though. If he was injured then Chilly should have benched him. There is an adjustment.

    You fail.

    I can't fail, I wasn't the HC. He failed.

    Seriously though, you are trying to tell me that a busted ankle didn't limit what he could do and, in turn, limit what the staff could do.....WOW.
    Actually I was the first to bring that up and the haters just claimed I was making excuses. Funny how things have turned. HAHAHAHA

    Again you did fail. Chilly failed to do it. Leslie did. You think that ankle is just magically healed now. WOW!

    Oh BTW you also said Leslie would not make a difference. He has.
    I think I actually said something along the lines of....."I don't see how he can improve the team and the DL at the same time as he hasn't improved the DL all year".

    I think I then followed that up with ......"I was wrong. The best move he made was by taking himself out of defense and letting coach Pagac fix things".....


    Again, I admit when I'm wrong. Some people don't.:kiss:

    On a side note, I'm still waiting for your search on the little Nooodle thing you were gonna go find that I you said I didn't say.
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    Re: Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson

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    This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
    We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


    Madieu Williams?



    The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.
    Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
    The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:


    Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnt have a quarterback they could rely on.
    Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

    Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson


    Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

    That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.
    Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?

    Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.

    Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
    This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P
    The roll outs even with Favre are covering it up. Your boy Chilly was just too stupid to make the adjustment.
    What adjustments could have been made?
    Wow that went right over your head.
    Its happened before, it will happen again. Please enlighten me.
    Dude I even said it in my post. Rolling the QB out will help the OL. Chilly could not figure that adjustment out.
    And I said he couldn't cause the Noodles ankle, you know, the one with the busted bones, wouldn't allow that.

    So, going on that little premise, what adjustment should have he made?
    You don't know that.

    You can play that little game. Funny how know you want to use his injury as an excuse but we can't. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Child please.

    I will play your little game though. If he was injured then Chilly should have benched him. There is an adjustment.

    You fail.

    I can't fail, I wasn't the HC. He failed.

    Seriously though, you are trying to tell me that a busted ankle didn't limit what he could do and, in turn, limit what the staff could do.....WOW.
    Actually I was the first to bring that up and the haters just claimed I was making excuses. Funny how things have turned. HAHAHAHA

    Again you did fail. Chilly failed to do it. Leslie did. You think that ankle is just magically healed now. WOW!

    Oh BTW you also said Leslie would not make a difference. He has.
    I think I actually said something along the lines of....."I don't see how he can improve the team and the DL at the same time as he hasn't improved the DL all year".

    I think I then followed that up with ......"I was wrong. The best move he made was by taking himself out of defense and letting coach Pagac fix things".....


    Again, I admit when I'm wrong. Some people don't.:kiss:

    On a side note, I'm still waiting for your search on the little Nooodle thing you were gonna go find that I you said I didn't say.
    Please explain.

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    Re: Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson

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    Please explain.
    In other words, you looked and it wasn't what you thought I said then........LOL
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    Re: Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson

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    Quote Originally Posted by "marstc09" #1082508
    Please explain.
    In other words, you looked and it wasn't what you thought I said then........LOL
    Wrong again. Please explain.

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    Re: Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson

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    Please explain.
    In other words, you looked and it wasn't what you thought I said then........LOL
    Wrong again. Please explain.
    A hint then.....I said I cut the Noodle some slack on something, you said I didn't and was gonna go get proof. I gave you a hint on were to look cause I couldn't remember the exact thread, and off you went......Never to be heard from again on the subject.
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    Re: Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson

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    The pass protection failed when the ball is snapped at 13:43 and he's sacked at 13:38?
    Wow....Back to the Future all over again!!!k

    The clock does tick down in football.

    I mean American Football, by the way.

    Each quarter is 15:00 and counts down to 00:00.

    So 13:43(snap), 13:42, 13:41, 13:40, 13:39, 13:38(hit).
    An OL not being able to hold a guy for 4 or 5 seconds is sad. Do you see how much time some of these QBs get on other teams?
    I can only think of one that regularly gets great protection and that's Brady. And that's because in addition to having a smart, agile, deep offensive line he makes the defense pay almost every time they show blitz.

    A combination of things have prevented us from doing that this season. Most of it being Childress discouraging audibles and simply lacking the receivers to make plays for much of the season which forced Favre into making risky throws and getting hit too much. Which has in turn, led to injuries and the inability to escape pressure.

    Another is Favre's lack of brain-body connection, brought on from those hits. His brain wants to play like he's 25, but he can't move like he used to and it's lead to a lot of the hits he's taken. Like I said in an earlier post, it's in part his responsibility to protect himself. Even if the line is playing horrible (which they're really not I think they're having a solid year) Favre has to realize that and know that he's probably not going to have time to throw downfield after 4-5 seconds, especially when an athletic defense is bringing more than 4 pass rushers.

    A defensive lineman has failed on his play if he doesn't get off of his block and to the QB in 3 seconds he's failing.

    For the offensive lineman, not being able to see what you're protecting makes it really tough. Defensive lineman are free from being held, so they can move anywhere but upfield unencumbered. The o-line has an advantage by knowing the snap count, but after that, the defensive lineman has a huge advantage- Sight and use of the hands for grasping. Rolling a QB out gives them an opportunity to move laterally and the offensive lineman really can't do anything about it since he's not supposed to move downfield and you don't fire out in pass protection. In theory a rollout buys time, but it doesn't when the D-line reads it quickly. It's an interesting concept really. On a rollout you automatically need an extra second or two, but on ordinary dropbacks a QB is supposed to get rid of the ball after 3 seconds. If you see a QB get all kinds of time it means the defense is doing as good of a job covering receivers as the offensive line is doing protecting the QB.

    There's no doubt that blame can go both ways on a lot of sacks, but this time Favre held the ball for too long. He has to save the hero mentality for when we're down in the 4th quarter.

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    Re: Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson

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    See he will interpret that as me saying. "I'm going to rob a bank today and I eat boogers." So I have nothing to worry about. Fortunately for me, I only wrote it once or I could be in some real financial trouble!

    Edit: And for those of you who can understand what I write in this post, that is obviously not my real account number or pin, it is just a series of random numbers.
    Holy crap. I can't stop laughing. Honestly, I knew Mr. A knew football, however, I never saw the comedian in him.

    Anyway, Mr. A, thanks. I was having a shitty start to my day and you made it all seem OK with those last few post.

    Damn I love PPO.
    I can bring out a laugh or two from time to time. If I posted more you'd probably see more of it, but I kind of pick my shots so I don't end up debating the same point 20 times per day.

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