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    Re: Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1082212
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1082123
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1082074
    This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
    We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


    Madieu Williams?



    The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.
    Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
    The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:


    Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.
    Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

    Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson


    Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

    That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.
    Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?

    Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.

    Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
    This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P
    The roll outs even with Favre are covering it up. Your boy Chilly was just too stupid to make the adjustment.

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    Re: Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1082214
    Quote Originally Posted by "V4L" #1082124
    Quote Originally Posted by "Mr Anderson" #1082122
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1082074
    This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
    We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.

    The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.
    Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.

    Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.
    Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

    Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson


    Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

    That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.
    I think they're trying to make life easier for that "one player." By sticking with Peterson and simplifying the offense.

    Let make great players make plays and watch the wins pile up.

    Sounds simple enough :P

    Really though it all should go through him.. Gotta have some balance but clearly he is a frickin freak and should get a TON of touches
    I wonder who is happier to see the Noodle taking a back seat......

    a. Marrdro
    b. AD
    c. The OL
    d. The WR's especially the ones who run deep routes
    e. TJ.
    f. All of the above.

    Anyway, I think the participation in this thread is a prime example that there are very few PPO'rs who are willing to come to the Noodles defense anymore either.

    LOL, how sad they would throw thier hero under the bus that quick.
    Or they just don't care to argue with you anymore cause it is a lost cause. We got a great year out of Favre. I know it pains you to have to say that. You were incredibly wrong and you can't stand it. Favre has taken you soul! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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    Re: Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1082207
    Quote Originally Posted by "marstc09" #1082113
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    We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.
    That is the dumbest shit I have ever heard.
    Thats it? The great defender of the Noodle comes up with......"Dumb Shit".

    LOL. I expected more out of ya. Am I finally wearing you down? :laugh:
    There is nothing else to say on it. You have no evidence or proof. These guys don't blame Favre. THEY WENT DOWN TO GET HIS ASS!
    I didn't know Sully or AD went down there. Heck, I didn't even know the Theenimy went down there.

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    Re: Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1082238
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1082212
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1082123
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1082074
    This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
    We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


    Madieu Williams?



    The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.
    Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
    The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:


    Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.
    Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

    Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson


    Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

    That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.
    Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?

    Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.

    Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
    This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P
    Are you watching the same OL everyone else was?

    They didn't play better, they LOOKED better, because TJ can move and buy time. But they didn't play any better this week.
    Reality is not in Marrdros vocab. lol

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    Re: Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1082239
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1082214

    Anyway, I think the participation in this thread is a prime example that there are very few PPO'rs who are willing to come to the Noodles defense anymore either.

    LOL, how sad they would throw thier hero under the bus that quick.
    More like tired of beating the same dead horse over and over again. There's only so long you can "discuss" the same thing constantly, before all parties involved grow tired of it, then you claim to be the victor.
    I swear dude you are one of the smartest on PPO. You are definitely at the top of my spreadsheet.

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    Re: Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1082276
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1082256
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1082244
    Yes, that's the reason he holds onto the ball so long, not because receivers don't get open right? Even until now, i don't think we've had the same WR lineup for 3 straight weeks yet this season. Not trying to take the blame off Favre, but the WR's are not cutting it. Rice being back has helped.
    But see, for me, atleast, we've been sold a bill of goods that the Noodle made the WR's last year. Should it really matter who is in there if that is in fact the truth?

    I guess I should blame the chuckleheads who touted that falacy instead of the broke down old man.
    Not quite.

    Favre made the receivers last year, yes. But the receivers he made were Rice, Harvin, Shiancoe. With Rice missing half the year, Harvin banged up all the time, and Shiancoe missing somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle, he's trying to make guys like Camarillo, Lewis and Kliensasser. Hard to run an offense with those guys. When Harvin is healthy, he's a beast, and does well with Favre. Same with Rice. We've just been lacking any type of consistency from our receivers.

    So yes, QB's can make receivers, but there needs to be some skill on the other end. Favre can't turn nobody's into somebody's, but last year, he made some good receivers look even better. Its a delicate balance of WR's make QB's, and QB's make WR's. QB's need some talent, but if it's there, good QB's can work wonders with that.

    When your five OL can't block four pass rushers, it IS bad.
    But that is the problem. It isn't just 4 rushers for the most part. What we see on almost every down, leading upto the last two weeks, has been a stacked box with multiple rushers coming in the gaps on thier way to the spot the QB should be. If they find a RB on the way they get him. If they don't they just move onto the anticipated QB spot.
    I'll give you ONE example, first play I looked at.

    The Favre hit. Vikes lined up in the gun, trips right, Shank on the left, AP to Favre's right.

    Bills line up in what appears to be the 1-4-6, with one down lineman. All 4 LB's blitz, the DT runs a stunt to the right. Shiancoe and McKinnie both miss their blocks, AP was the only guy who actually held his man. Whoever was playing RG (Cook?) couldn't hold his man, forcing him outside, right where Favre was running. Favre had to cut inside, and got smoked by the LB who came all the way across the play around the Left Tackle for the big hit.
    Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4OmsTSutb0
    it's a bit blurry, but you can get the general idea.
    Heck, didn't it look better last week too? the playcalling helped tremendously, play action and rollouts made the pass protection look a hell of alot better than it really was.
    Of course it did. What is so mystifying is why it took so long for them to do it. Hate on the Chiller if you want, but I don't think his gameplan was to have the Noodle stand back there like a statue all season long.
    Well what was it then? Chilly spilled whiteout on his game sheet and couldn't figure out how to fix it? Or is it just coincidence that the moment Chilly leaves, the game plan seems to change drastically?
    If you really think about it the only logical explanation is that the ankle precluded him from doing until last week cause we saw alot of it last year.
    His ankle wasn't hurting him all season long.
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    Re: Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson

    Mardro said:

    Quick question, who do you think he was throwing it to, a guy deep or a guy on a crossing route?
    From the way he set up and the movements of his body, I'd be pretty sure that he was throwing deep. It looked like a high trajectory was intended but stopped on the hit from the guy that Mac gave up on.

    Mac's laziness probably cost us a QB AND a TD.
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    Re: Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson

    Quote Originally Posted by "marstc09" #1082464
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1082212
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1082123
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1082074
    This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
    We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


    Madieu Williams?



    The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.
    Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
    The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:


    Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.
    Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

    Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson


    Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

    That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.
    Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?

    Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.

    Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
    This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P
    The roll outs even with Favre are covering it up. Your boy Chilly was just too stupid to make the adjustment.
    What adjustments could have been made?
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    Re: Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson

    Quote Originally Posted by "Mr Anderson" #1082386
    Quote Originally Posted by "Infidel" #1082385
    Quote Originally Posted by "Mr Anderson" #1082377
    The pass protection failed when the ball is snapped at 13:43 and he's sacked at 13:38?
    Wow....Back to the Future all over again!!!k

    The clock does tick down in football.

    I mean American Football, by the way.

    Each quarter is 15:00 and counts down to 00:00.

    So 13:43(snap), 13:42, 13:41, 13:40, 13:39, 13:38(hit).
    An OL not being able to hold a guy for 4 or 5 seconds is sad. Do you see how much time some of these QBs get on other teams?

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    Re: Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1082416
    Quote Originally Posted by "Mr Anderson" #1082392
    Quote Originally Posted by "Infidel" #1082387
    Mr. Anderson said:

    He had 4+ seconds to throw. The guy who hit him got taken 10 yards deep into the backfield by McKinnie and ran another 10 to hit Favre.

    And leisurely walked back to the line? What's he supposed to do? Teleport 15 yards and save Favre from the hit?
    Again, Mac should have kept driving the guy the same way they were going.

    Even a Doodle should be able to figure out that Favre wasn't going to be back there.

    But Mac got winded with 8 yards of work, so he quit. Maybe it's in his union contract. Take a guy 8 yards and you get a break.....to hell with your QB.

    Oh, and Favre had less than 3.5 seconds.....not much for a rollout.
    He couldn't have continued to drive the guy without holding him. The guy was faster than him, as most linebackers are faster than offensive linemen and he gave him a final shove. Putting him 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage. He took the guy out of the play, Favre brought him back in.

    You simply cannot hold the ball for 4 seconds NFL team brings 5. ESPECIALLY on a rollout. If you're offensive line isn't sure where you are, but the defense can see you, they're at a disadvantage. The only way to stop a guy from escaping you laterally or backwards is to hold him. Rollouts can buy time in the NFL when you don't have a rookie RB making the most important block on a defensive end, or when you have a QB that can actually move.

    I see 4 seconds to throw, that's enough. If anything, this is a coverage sack(despite not being a sack, so I guess it's a "coverage hit.") There was adequate time for him to get rid of the ball. He tried to do too much, again, and we paid the price, again. He's been making plays like this all season.
    Don't even try Mr. A, it will just fall on deaf ears.
    Sort of like you with Favre...

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