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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    Surprised?
    I'd be surprised if they said anything other than that. Kid shouldn't even be on the field for 3 years or so. He should be learning from the sidelines.

    Just because he is learning on the field, making mistakes doing it, we are now ready to shitcan him after 1 real year of "Learning" because he is making mistakes.

    Whats most surprising (really frustrating) is that most fans don't understand that anymore. What they want is instant QB to pop out of the draft and be great the rest of his career. That doesn't happen.

    Hell, the closest thing to it (of late) is Ryan and even he has his issues. Newton had a shitty year. Sanchez is pretty close to being done even though he'll get one more chance next year. Stafford hasn't done anything other than complete passes to on great WR, Bradford is close to being given up on.......

    Ponder has flashed. He has shown he can win games just like hes shown he can lose them. Guess what, he's the QB. They can do that.....

    The goal is to limit one (losses) and increase the other (wins) over time. WITH TIME, being the key word in that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    I'd be surprised if they said anything other than that.
    Kid shouldn't even be on the field for 3 years or so.
    He should be learning from the sidelines.

    Just because he is learning on the field, making mistakes doing it, we are now ready to shitcan him after 1 real year of "Learning" because he is making mistakes.

    Whats most surprising (really frustrating) is that most fans don't understand that anymore. What they want is instant QB to pop out of the draft and be great the rest of his career. That doesn't happen.

    Hell, the closest thing to it (of late) is Ryan and even he has his issues. Newton had a shitty year. Sanchez is pretty close to being done even though he'll get one more chance next year. Stafford hasn't done anything other than complete passes to on great WR, Bradford is close to being given up on.......

    Ponder has flashed. He has shown he can win games just like hes shown he can lose them. Guess what, he's the QB. They can do that.....

    The goal is to limit one (losses) and increase the other (wins) over time. WITH TIME, being the key word in that.

    Tell that to Luck, Griffin, Tannehill,Flacco,Kaepernick,Wilson, Dalton,manning 1 and 2........And tell Ponder he should still be on the bench.


    You are talking ancient history. Right now the league is set up that players HAVE TO play right away and be successful if they are drafted early because of the dollars involved. Yeah, a later round QB might be able to get on a roster and hang around a few year but then they get lost in the shuffle of the new kid in town syndrome anyway. It may suck and it may not be the best way to do it but it is reality and the way it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    Tell that to Luck, Griffin, Tannehill,Flacco,Kaepernick,Wilson, Dalton,manning 1 and 2........And tell Ponder he should still be on the bench.


    You are talking ancient history. Right now the league is set up that players HAVE TO play right away and be successful if they are drafted early because of the dollars involved. Yeah, a later round QB might be able to get on a roster and hang around a few year but then they get lost in the shuffle of the new kid in town syndrome anyway. It may suck and it may not be the best way to do it but it is reality and the way it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    I'd be surprised if they said anything other than that. Kid shouldn't even be on the field for 3 years or so. He should be learning from the sidelines.
    Learning from who? McNabb for all of 2011 & who knows in 2012?

    When they made the move from McNabb to Ponder, you were all for it. I don't recall you clamoring that Ponder should sit & learn & they need to bring in another vet.

    When they made thedecision to start Ponder in 2012, you were all for it strutting like a peacock & beaming over how well you thought he'd do. I don't recall you clamoring that Ponder should sit & learn & they need to bring in another vet.

    Just last week when we played the Packers, it was you clamoring to put in MBT. "Hey coach, what about MBT?". At no time ever did you state that they made the right decision to keep MBT on the bench so he could learn by watching for 3+ years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    Just because he is learning on the field, making mistakes doing it, we are now ready to shitcan him after 1 real year of "Learning" because he is making mistakes.
    He's been learning for 2 years & starting consecutively in all but 6 regular season games.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    Whats most surprising (really frustrating) is that most fans don't understand that anymore. What they want is instant QB to pop out of the draft and be great the rest of his career. That doesn't happen.
    It's happening more & more because of two things;

    1. College ball is becoming more like professional ball all the time. Passing is a huge part of their game now. Years back it was the RB's who got the most of the touches & passes were in the minority, not the majority.

    2. Coaches are better at preparing their QB's & grooming them to the point that the transition to the NFL isn't as drastic as it once was.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    Hell, the closest thing to it (of late) is Ryan and even he has his issues. Newton had a shitty year. Sanchez is pretty close to being done even though he'll get one more chance next year. Stafford hasn't done anything other than complete passes to on great WR, Bradford is close to being given up on.......

    Ponder has flashed. He has shown he can win games just like hes shown he can lose them. Guess what, he's the QB. They can do that.....

    The goal is to limit one (losses) and increase the other (wins) over time. WITH TIME, being the key word in that.
    So if you feel that out of all the rookie QB's who started their 1st year, only Matt Ryan has been successful, tell us again why Ponder is so different from all those others who weren't.

    So if you feel that Newton, Sanchez, Stafford & Bradford are either close to being done or well on their way to being done because they were made starters in their rookie year rather than learn from the bench, tell us again why we should continue down that same path with Ponder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    Tell that to Luck, Griffin, Tannehill,Flacco,Kaepernick,Wilson, Dalton,manning 1 and 2........And tell Ponder he should still be on the bench.


    You are talking ancient history. Right now the league is set up that players HAVE TO play right away and be successful if they are drafted early because of the dollars involved. Yeah, a later round QB might be able to get on a roster and hang around a few year but then they get lost in the shuffle of the new kid in town syndrome anyway. It may suck and it may not be the best way to do it but it is reality and the way it is.
    And how are all of them doing or going to eventually do? All of them will either struggle or have struggled so why is it hard to fathom that Ponder will struggle?

    The reason those cats played early is because of the lack of quality QB's in the league, not because the league is set up to do it that way. Its done out of necessity and that necessity doesn't get you instant winners.

    It might get you a year out of a guy his first year who is a bit different, but teams will eventually figure him out (ala Newton) and he will fall back to the rest of the crowd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    Tell that to Luck, Griffin, Tannehill,Flacco,Kaepernick,Wilson, Dalton,manning 1 and 2........And tell Ponder he should still be on the bench.


    You are talking ancient history. Right now the league is set up that players HAVE TO play right away and be successful if they are drafted early because of the dollars involved. Yeah, a later round QB might be able to get on a roster and hang around a few year but then they get lost in the shuffle of the new kid in town syndrome anyway. It may suck and it may not be the best way to do it but it is reality and the way it is.
    Perhaps, although you should consider that the rookie salaries are much more reasonable now than they were just a few years ago.

    Also consider that Dalton has regressed, Eli Manning did sit on the bench in NY before starting, Kaepernick sat behind Alex Smith for a year and a half, and that Luck and RGIII are considered amazing, amazing prospects. Luck was considered the best quarterback prospect since Manning, who was the best since Elway.

    Can rookie QBs succeed? Certainly. However, it should be taken on a case by case basis. Not everybody matures to the game along the same timeline.

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