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    Frazier as Head Coach; Favre as Offensive Coord.?

    I was thinking that if the Noodle retires next year, and Childress doesn't win us a Super Bowl this year, I'd really love it if Favre came back and was the Offensive Coordinator and Frazier becomes the Head Coach... Favre is obviously a lot better at play calling than Childress, so why not?

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    Re: Frazier as Head Coach; Favre as Offensive Coord.?

    Childress doesn't call plays... why or how is it relevent if Favre is a better play caller? And how exactly was it determined that he's "obviously" a better play caller?

    More times than not, the calls going in (from Bevell btw) are being run. Being that the Vikings had a lot of success on Offense last year... it's a fair assumption he's doing an alright job at calling plays.

    As for Frazier, what exactly has he done short of being interviewed by other teams to deserve a promotion to HC? Do you feel the D is better now than what we had under Tomlin? I haven't seen any significant improvement in our D to believe he's going to be a great Head Coach in the league.
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    Re: Frazier as Head Coach; Favre as Offensive Coord.?

    BleedinPandG wrote:
    Childress doesn't call plays... why or how is it relevent if Favre is a better play caller? And how exactly was it determined that he's "obviously" a better play caller?

    More times than not, the calls going in (from Bevell btw) are being run. Being that the Vikings had a lot of success on Offense last year... it's a fair assumption he's doing an alright job at calling plays.

    As for Frazier, what exactly has he done short of being interviewed by other teams to deserve a promotion to HC? Do you feel the D is better now than what we had under Tomlin? I haven't seen any significant improvement in our D to believe he's going to be a great Head Coach in the league.
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    Re: Frazier as Head Coach; Favre as Offensive Coord.?

    I lead off by saying this is opinion only, but I think this would be a very bad idea on both counts.

    First, Frazier. He has only very limited experience even as a coordinator. By what measure is he qualified to be a Head Coach? Also, he has no offensive experience whatsoever. I grant that this has not stopped coordinators from becoming HCs before, and it won't stop them from doing so in the future, but seriously, give the guy a few more years in a supporting role first.

    Second, Favre as OC? No, no, a thousand times no. Not even as a QB coach. As great as he is, he's too reckless at times and would probably instill this quality into his proteges. Also, while he is physically very talented, he has never struck me as being the brightest QB bulb in the chandelier. Not stupid by any means, but IMO not up to the level required of a coordinator.

    No. I think he's headed for a quiet retirement. Someone might want to take a flyer on him as an analyst, since he is charismatic and engaging, but I don't think he'd really want to go that route. I think he goes home to MS and enjoys his millions in peace and quiet.

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    Re: Frazier as Head Coach; Favre as Offensive Coord.?

    BleedinPandG wrote:
    Childress doesn't call plays... why or how is it relevent if Favre is a better play caller? And how exactly was it determined that he's "obviously" a better play caller?

    More times than not, the calls going in (from Bevell btw) are being run. Being that the Vikings had a lot of success on Offense last year... it's a fair assumption he's doing an alright job at calling plays.

    As for Frazier, what exactly has he done short of being interviewed by other teams to deserve a promotion to HC? Do you feel the D is better now than what we had under Tomlin? I haven't seen any significant improvement in our D to believe he's going to be a great Head Coach in the league.
    Mike Tomlin as defensive coordinator - 2006
    1st vs. the Run, 31st vs. the Pass, 14th in Pts. All., 8th overall

    Leslie Frazier as defensive coordinator - 2007, 08, 09
    1st vs. the Run, 32nd vs. the Pass, 12th in Pts. All., 20th overall
    1st vs. the Run, 18th vs. the Pass, 13th in Pts. All., 6th overall
    2nd vs. the Run, 19th vs. the Pass, 10th in Pts. All., 6th overall

    Pretty much looks like improvement to me. Struggled the first year while adjusting his system. Then actually became average against the pass while finishing in the top 6 in the league defensively. Has pretty much done better than Tomlin every year, and had done better every year in the points allowed category.
    Defense is DEFINITELY better than we had under Tomlin.

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    Re: Frazier as Head Coach; Favre as Offensive Coord.?

    Traveling_Vike wrote:
    I lead off by saying this is opinion only, but I think this would be a very bad idea on both counts.

    First, Frazier. He has only very limited experience even as a coordinator. By what measure is he qualified to be a Head Coach? Also, he has no offensive experience whatsoever. I grant that this has not stopped coordinators from becoming HCs before, and it won't stop them from doing so in the future, but seriously, give the guy a few more years in a supporting role first.

    Second, Favre as OC? No, no, a thousand times no. Not even as a QB coach. As great as he is, he's too reckless at times and would probably instill this quality into his proteges. Also, while he is physically very talented, he has never struck me as being the brightest QB bulb in the chandelier. Not stupid by any means, but IMO not up to the level required of a coordinator.

    No. I think he's headed for a quiet retirement. Someone might want to take a flyer on him as an analyst, since he is charismatic and engaging, but I don't think he'd really want to go that route. I think he goes home to MS and enjoys his millions in peace and quiet.
    I do not think he will just ride off into the sunset to never be heard from again. He will be around on TV or something.

    But yeah ... I don't think you go from QB one year to OC in the NFL the next season. There is a lot more to the Xs and Os than being able to pick up a blitz and hit the hot receiver.

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    Re: Frazier as Head Coach; Favre as Offensive Coord.?

    Why is the noodle becoming a popular nickname? hahaa

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    Re: Frazier as Head Coach; Favre as Offensive Coord.?

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    Why is the noodle becoming a popular nickname? hahaa
    Because he looked like he was trying to skip stones to receivers on Thursday versus throwing footballs?

    Because my 3 year old could have thrown the ball with more velocity then he was on Thursday?

    Because Joe Montana throwing the ball into the parking lot in the commercial would have been better than Brett Favre underthrowing the deep routes by 10 yards on Thursday?
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    Re: Frazier as Head Coach; Favre as Offensive Coord.?

    BleedinPandG wrote:
    V4L wrote:
    Why is the noodle becoming a popular nickname? hahaa
    Because he looked like he was trying to skip stones to receivers on Thursday versus throwing footballs?

    Because my 3 year old could have thrown the ball with more velocity then he was on Thursday?

    Because Joe Montana throwing the ball into the parking lot in the commercial would have been better than Brett Favre underthrowing the deep routes by 10 yards on Thursday?
    Seriously?

    Favre may have lacked accuracy, and he may have been rusty with his WR timing, but he was throwing LASERS.

    First pass to Shank. LASER
    Berrian's drop. LASER
    The TD pass to Shank. LASER
    Pass behind Greg Lewis. LASER
    Pass in front of Harvin. LASER
    Camarillo's catch. LASER
    Camarillo's drop. LASER

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    Re: Frazier as Head Coach; Favre as Offensive Coord.?

    Playcalling is one of several responsibilities that the Offensive Coordinator has.

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