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    There is no denying the fact that Childress left the team in a bad spot, but then again there is no evidence Frazier is capable of doing the things necessary to turn the team around. Personally I don't think Frazier is as good as Childress was and the front office that we had under Childress hasn't changed so I am not expecting to see things get any better.

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    After Spielman's promotion, I'm confident that our issue is ownership. Not sure if Frazier is the answer, but he's got an up-hill battle. He inherited a team with poor drafting history, still recovering from patch-work fixes that were never addressed long-term.

    Bottom line, the Vikings won't be good for a long time... pretty sure as long as the Wilfs are owners, the Vikes will suck. Hope I'm wrong, but doubt I am.
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    I simply do not share the sentiment that the Vikes will suck for a long time, regardless of structure. Hell, put a few of us together, give us a budget, and the authority to draft, and I think we hacks could improve the product (the Team).

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    I think Frazier is a good coach and he will be fine. Just need someone at the DC that knows what he is doing. First the OL needs to improve and DB need to get more physical and beable to stay with a receiver. I would like to know why Webb really never got a chance to be the QB of the future he has inpressed me every time he is on field. He stays relaxed and calm and that is a big part of being a good QB. Not saying Ponder can't get there I just think that Webb is better and can lead the team to wins. I always liked the DL coach it should have been the OL coach that got fired

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVike View Post
    I simply do not share the sentiment that the Vikes will suck for a long time, regardless of structure. Hell, put a few of us together, give us a budget, and the authority to draft, and I think we hacks could improve the product (the Team).
    Getting Ponder some decent protection, adding a DT that can collapse the pocket and stuff the run,and a good corner and safety, would put the team at .500, easily.
    Throw in a field stretching WR with good hands,and a stud linebacker, and the team could contend once again.
    But there definately needs to be better coaching before they will have a shot at going all the way.
    That starts with new offensive coordinator as well as defensive coordinator.
    Too bad our GM doesn't seem to have any say over the coaching staff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    So basically, Pagac wanted to make our defense better & Frazier did not.

    How much longer do we have to deal with Frazier as our head coach?
    LOVE that positivity Steve!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shockzilla View Post
    LOVE that positivity Steve!!!
    lol

    I don't think there EVER was a Vikings coach Singer liked. Heh.
    Vegans are eating the rainforests. =(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Formo View Post
    lol

    I don't think there EVER was a Vikings coach Singer liked. Heh.
    Like me he has been happy with every coach that won a Lombardi trophy.

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    The thing about Frazier is he can be a good coach somewhere. The other thing about Frazier is he is the same regime as Chilly. We needed to CLEAN HOUSE I mean the ENTIRE FRONT OFFICE needs to be gone and as soon as we get a new stadium I'd love to see Ziggi take a hike.

    The atmosphere never changed by keeping Frazier as the coach, you saw it from day one when McKinney showed up overweight. Call Cohwer, tell him he can be GM, President, Coach, Grand Ayatollah and whatever else he wants to be and clean out the place and start from scratch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by psahni View Post
    The thing about Frazier is he can be a good coach somewhere. The other thing about Frazier is he is the same regime as Chilly. We needed to CLEAN HOUSE I mean the ENTIRE FRONT OFFICE needs to be gone and as soon as we get a new stadium I'd love to see Ziggi take a hike.

    The atmosphere never changed by keeping Frazier as the coach, you saw it from day one when McKinney showed up overweight. Call Cohwer, tell him he can be GM, President, Coach, Grand Ayatollah and whatever else he wants to be and clean out the place and start from scratch.
    Good post. I was completely surprised that we did not just clean house in the offseason. It was time to completely move away from the Childress regime and in a different direction and by keeping Frazier we did not really do that.

    It seems to me that Frazier was somewhat aware of that, which is why he did not put up with whining veterans (McKinnie, McNabb, Berrian) and had a harder line. But, while it is not his fault, it often did not feel like a full break from the Childress reign.

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