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    Re: Five suggestions to fix the myriad of mistakes that have plagued the Vikings

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    Its not hard to call out the MLB regardless of scheme so I have no idea what Winfield is talking about. QB's are taught since HS to recognize the MLB and call him out. In fact if you cant look at the formation and call him out you have no buisiness being a QB let alone a QB in the NFL.

    You know what all the QB's or centers are pointing at right before the snap....the MLB.

    So that suggestion is garbage imo. They will know where you are and probably even the one or two things you are assigned to do during that formation. Point is when you make contact you have to win. End of story. There will be contact if you lose the individual battle then that is on you.
    Yeah ... I was kind of surprised the big deal people were making of this. The announcer even said something like listen to Orton call out the MIKE ... he knows what is coming.
    Lol ... just because he knows where the MLB is does not mean he knows what is coming. Hell, I can spot the MLB pre-snap on EVERY play.
    All it does is clarify blocking schemes. A lot of times you trust the people you are with know who to block. I guess communication is always good but even if a QB doesnt call out the MLB it doesnt mean every single person on that team doesnt know who he is.

    I have been taught in the past to not call out anything. Even if you see someone creeping up for a blitz. Some plays are designed to change if you are called out. So if you call out a blitzing CB they will drop into the flat to try and pick a hot route. If you see him, say nothing, he commits fully and you have a shot at a big play. Which is why teamwork and knowing your job and playing well together is lethal.

    I agree though Midgensa. Ortons ability to call out the MLB has little effect on our performance.
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    Re: Five suggestions to fix the myriad of mistakes that have plagued the Vikings

    "Del" wrote:
    "midgensa" wrote:
    "Del" wrote:
    Its not hard to call out the MLB regardless of scheme so I have no idea what Winfield is talking about. QB's are taught since HS to recognize the MLB and call him out. In fact if you cant look at the formation and call him out you have no buisiness being a QB let alone a QB in the NFL.

    You know what all the QB's or centers are pointing at right before the snap....the MLB.

    So that suggestion is garbage imo. They will know where you are and probably even the one or two things you are assigned to do during that formation. Point is when you make contact you have to win. End of story. There will be contact if you lose the individual battle then that is on you.
    Yeah ... I was kind of surprised the big deal people were making of this. The announcer even said something like listen to Orton call out the MIKE ... he knows what is coming.
    Lol ... just because he knows where the MLB is does not mean he knows what is coming. Hell, I can spot the MLB pre-snap on EVERY play.
    All it does is clarify blocking schemes. A lot of times you trust the people you are with know who to block. I guess communication is always good but even if a QB doesnt call out the MLB it doesnt mean every single person on that team doesnt know who he is.

    I have been taught in the past to not call out anything. Even if you see someone creeping up for a blitz. Some plays are designed to change if you are called out. So if you call out a blitzing CB they will drop into the flat to try and pick a hot route. If you see him, say nothing, he commits fully and you have a shot at a big play. Which is why teamwork and knowing your job and playing well together is lethal.

    I agree though Midgensa. Ortons ability to call out the MLB has little effect on our performance.

    From my understanding players are concentrating on making other reads and not looking for exact players

    With Orton calling out the mike the line is able to get a rough idea where he is without moving and getting a false start

    That's just what we did in high school and ive heard a few announcers talk about how it helps alittle

    Just helps all the players kinda know where the people are

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    Re: Five suggestions to fix the myriad of mistakes that have plagued the Vikings

    "midgensa" wrote:
    "Del" wrote:
    Its not hard to call out the MLB regardless of scheme so I have no idea what Winfield is talking about. QB's are taught since HS to recognize the MLB and call him out. In fact if you cant look at the formation and call him out you have no buisiness being a QB let alone a QB in the NFL.

    You know what all the QB's or centers are pointing at right before the snap....the MLB.

    So that suggestion is garbage imo. They will know where you are and probably even the one or two things you are assigned to do during that formation. Point is when you make contact you have to win. End of story. There will be contact if you lose the individual battle then that is on you.
    Yeah ... I was kind of surprised the big deal people were making of this. The announcer even said something like listen to Orton call out the MIKE ... he knows what is coming.
    Lol ... just because he knows where the MLB is does not mean he knows what is coming. Hell, I can spot the MLB pre-snap on EVERY play.
    They aren't just calling out the middle linebacker on every play.
    You guys both say how easy it is to pick out the MLB so what's the point of pointing it out.
    They are pointing to what guys are possibly blitzing and trying to make sure they have the right protection and are able to pick them up.
    Of course you can pick out the MLB on every play, its not that difficult but that is not what they are pointing out on the field.

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    Re: Five suggestions to fix the myriad of mistakes that have plagued the Vikings

    "gamecocksbaseball31" wrote:
    "midgensa" wrote:
    "Del" wrote:
    Its not hard to call out the MLB regardless of scheme so I have no idea what Winfield is talking about. QB's are taught since HS to recognize the MLB and call him out. In fact if you cant look at the formation and call him out you have no buisiness being a QB let alone a QB in the NFL.

    You know what all the QB's or centers are pointing at right before the snap....the MLB.

    So that suggestion is garbage imo. They will know where you are and probably even the one or two things you are assigned to do during that formation. Point is when you make contact you have to win. End of story. There will be contact if you lose the individual battle then that is on you.
    Yeah ... I was kind of surprised the big deal people were making of this. The announcer even said something like listen to Orton call out the MIKE ... he knows what is coming.
    Lol ... just because he knows where the MLB is does not mean he knows what is coming. Hell, I can spot the MLB pre-snap on EVERY play.
    They aren't just calling out the middle linebacker on every play.
    You guys both say how easy it is to pick out the MLB so what's the point of pointing it out.
    They are pointing to what guys are possibly blitzing and trying to make sure they have the right protection and are able to pick them up.
    Of course you can pick out the MLB on every play, its not that difficult but that is not what they are pointing out on the field.
    Truth be told, they are doing more than just picking out the MLB or Blitzer.


    As Midgensa said, they are also making thier pre-snap reads with respect to line play (Blocking assignments), what the TE/FB/RB responsibilities are and in some cases the WR's as well.

    By the way, some yutz on here keeps saying that is one of our biggest issues with respect to our offense by the way.
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    If you have ever been a big ugly and had to block someone even in a zone scheme you would understand the importance of calling out the MLB or at the very least know who he is. When you have an assignment that reads over inside backer....and you dont know who the MLB backer is you will not know who to block.

    Identifying the MLB allows your players to make proper second level blocks and even initial blocks by identifying assignments. Any player can blitz I have no idea why pointing out the mlb as a possible blitzer would be of any benefit.

    You identify the MLB and you can work your way through your block assignment for any formation. Like my example if a block assignment is over inside backer then the read when you get to the line is....is anyone lined up right in front of me? If so you have him, if he is not head up and is in the gap then you go to your progression which is inside backer at that time if you do not know who the MLB is you do not know who the islb is. Simple.

    Due to line shifts and backer motion the blocking responsibility can change in a heartbeat. Knowing the MLB right off the bat makes life easy on everyone.

    Thing that gets me is you should be able to identify him immediately without your QB pointing to him on your own.
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    Mar, your link didn't work for me. This one did:

    http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_10780357


    As for Frerotte, the Vikings should empower him to use his vast experience. Kyle Orton certainly seemed to be doing that Sunday, and controlling coach Jon Gruden even gives veteran Jeff Garcia that latitude in Tampa Bay.

    The Vikings seek Frerotte's input on the game plan. But he is limited to changing the direction of a run, not changing a run to a pass.
    I can't say I like that last bit at all. In this league, you have to let your QB adjust to what he sees going on out there. There was a play in the bears game where we were in a short yardage situation, and the Bears moved all three of their linebackers toward the middle. You could tell that at least two of them were coming, if not all three. I saw it coming. My wife saw it coming. Everyone in the room saw it coming. Gus had to have seen it. The Vikings ran a draw straght into the blitz...for a loss. That kind of play absolutely calls for an audible to a screen or a hot route in the slot of some kind. Get somebody into the middle of the field where defense vacated.
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