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    Re: Five Plays the Minnesota Vikings Should Have on Speed Dial

    "gagarr" wrote:
    What I would like to see is plays that make the D go crazy.
    i.e. have AD, CT, and Harvin in the huddle and play musical chairs as to who sets up at tailback.

    What I do know is Favre will help the running game more than he will the passing game.
    D's will respect the passing game enough to really open up the running game.
    Just look at what happened to the yds/att when Favre went from the Pack to the Jets.

    Ryan Grant

    2007 5.1 yds/att

    2008
    3.9


    Diff - 1.2
    Thomas Jones
    2007 3.6

    2008
    4.5

    Diff +0.9

    Can you just imagine if AD can have a similar bump in yds/att from his 2008 4.8

    to a 2009 of 5.8.
    Given AD's 363 att that would result in 2105 yds.

    No D is going to respect TJ or Sage enough not to stack the box when AD is in the backfield, until TJ or Sage have 6 strait games with 100+ ratings, 300+yds, and 3TD's.
    Whereas Favre will have to have 6 strait games of
    < 70 rating, < 200 yds, and more INT's than TD's before the D's will regularly stack the box.
    Let me get this straight, you are saying that because opposing Ds won't realize that Favre sucks until week 7, our running game will improve? Is that what you're saying?
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    Re: Five Plays the Minnesota Vikings Should Have on Speed Dial

    "V" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    What I would like to see is plays that make the D go crazy.
    i.e. have AD, CT, and Harvin in the huddle and play musical chairs as to who sets up at tailback.

    What I do know is Favre will help the running game more than he will the passing game.
    D's will respect the passing game enough to really open up the running game.
    Just look at what happened to the yds/att when Favre went from the Pack to the Jets.

    Ryan Grant

    2007 5.1 yds/att

    2008
    3.9


    Diff - 1.2
    Thomas Jones
    2007 3.6

    2008
    4.5

    Diff +0.9

    Can you just imagine if AD can have a similar bump in yds/att from his 2008 4.8

    to a 2009 of 5.8.
    Given AD's 363 att that would result in 2105 yds.

    No D is going to respect TJ or Sage enough not to stack the box when AD is in the backfield, until TJ or Sage have 6 strait games with 100+ ratings, 300+yds, and 3TD's.
    Whereas Favre will have to have 6 strait games of
    < 70 rating, < 200 yds, and more INT's than TD's before the D's will regularly stack the box.
    Let me get this straight, you are saying that because opposing Ds won't realize that Favre sucks until week 7, our running game will improve? Is that what you're saying?
    I'm saying that D's will have respect for Favre that they will never have for TJ or Sage.
    Because of that respect the running game will flourish.
    Also, because AD is also getting a high level of respect, the pressure won't be on Favre to win games.

    As for Favre sucking, it must be a personal thing with you, because his stats don't agree.
    Especially, when you take all the handicaps he had with the Jets last year, which he wouldn't have with the Vikes.

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    Re: Five Plays the Minnesota Vikings Should Have on Speed Dial

    "gagarr" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    What I would like to see is plays that make the D go crazy.
    i.e. have AD, CT, and Harvin in the huddle and play musical chairs as to who sets up at tailback.

    What I do know is Favre will help the running game more than he will the passing game.
    D's will respect the passing game enough to really open up the running game.
    Just look at what happened to the yds/att when Favre went from the Pack to the Jets.

    Ryan Grant

    2007 5.1 yds/att

    2008
    3.9


    Diff - 1.2
    Thomas Jones
    2007 3.6

    2008
    4.5

    Diff +0.9

    Can you just imagine if AD can have a similar bump in yds/att from his 2008 4.8

    to a 2009 of 5.8.
    Given AD's 363 att that would result in 2105 yds.

    No D is going to respect TJ or Sage enough not to stack the box when AD is in the backfield, until TJ or Sage have 6 strait games with 100+ ratings, 300+yds, and 3TD's.
    Whereas Favre will have to have 6 strait games of
    < 70 rating, < 200 yds, and more INT's than TD's before the D's will regularly stack the box.
    Let me get this straight, you are saying that because opposing Ds won't realize that Favre sucks until week 7, our running game will improve? Is that what you're saying?
    I'm saying that D's will have respect for Favre that they will never have for TJ or Sage.
    Because of that respect the running game will flourish.
    Also, because AD is also getting a high level of respect, the pressure won't be on Favre to win games.

    As for Favre sucking, it must be a personal thing with you, because his stats don't agree.
    Especially, when you take all the handicaps he had with the Jets last year, which he wouldn't have with the Vikes.

    handicaps?
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    Re: Five Plays the Minnesota Vikings Should Have on Speed Dial


    Last time I checked the Jets played with 11 guys on offense, had two pro bowl running backs, so I'm mystified why you say they were handicapped. Farve simply threw away the Jets playoff hope's.

    If you don't respect the pass, you will get burned, I don't care who the QB is. We have made steady improvement, and even without Farve, we will be much improved again. Either Sage, or Tarvaris, will be effective. We are improving, and aren't as far off as people think.

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    Re: Five Plays the Minnesota Vikings Should Have on Speed Dial

    "gagarr" wrote:
    What I would like to see is plays that make the D go crazy.
    i.e. have AD, CT, and Harvin in the huddle and play musical chairs as to who sets up at tailback.

    What I do know is Favre will help the running game more than he will the passing game.
    D's will respect the passing game enough to really open up the running game.
    Just look at what happened to the yds/att when Favre went from the Pack to the Jets.

    Ryan Grant

    2007 5.1 yds/att

    2008
    3.9


    Diff - 1.2
    Thomas Jones
    2007 3.6

    2008
    4.5

    Diff +0.9

    Can you just imagine if AD can have a similar bump in yds/att from his 2008 4.8

    to a 2009 of 5.8.
    Given AD's 363 att that would result in 2105 yds.

    No D is going to respect TJ or Sage enough not to stack the box when AD is in the backfield, until TJ or Sage have 6 strait games with 100+ ratings, 300+yds, and 3TD's.
    Whereas Favre will have to have 6 strait games of
    < 70 rating, < 200 yds, and more INT's than TD's before the D's will regularly stack the box.

    LOL! So that is what your earmark standard is before defenses will respect the pass?

    Can you show me a 6 game stretch where Favre has accomplished that?


    How many QB's in history have ever accomplished that?


    Can you show me where Favre has had a 6 game stretch throwing 300+?

    Can you show me where Favre has had a 6 game stretch with a QB rating of 100+?

    Don't be setting targets that Favre himself hasn't reached.

    BTW, Jone averaged over 4.0 YPC in 5 of his 6 last years playing (he had 4.6 YPC in 2003 with BJ under center & had 4.3 with Orton under center)

    Another stat the Favre camp doesn't tell you

    Cotchery 2007: 1130,
    13.8 YPR
    Cotcery 2008: 858,
    12.1 YPR

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    Re: Five Plays the Minnesota Vikings Should Have on Speed Dial

    Damn it Steve, I hate it when I agree with you...LOL

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    Re: Five Plays the Minnesota Vikings Should Have on Speed Dial

    "singersp" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    What I would like to see is plays that make the D go crazy.
    i.e. have AD, CT, and Harvin in the huddle and play musical chairs as to who sets up at tailback.

    What I do know is Favre will help the running game more than he will the passing game.
    D's will respect the passing game enough to really open up the running game.
    Just look at what happened to the yds/att when Favre went from the Pack to the Jets.

    Ryan Grant

    2007 5.1 yds/att

    2008
    3.9


    Diff - 1.2
    Thomas Jones
    2007 3.6

    2008
    4.5

    Diff +0.9

    Can you just imagine if AD can have a similar bump in yds/att from his 2008 4.8

    to a 2009 of 5.8.
    Given AD's 363 att that would result in 2105 yds.

    No D is going to respect TJ or Sage enough not to stack the box when AD is in the backfield, until TJ or Sage have 6 strait games with 100+ ratings, 300+yds, and 3TD's.
    Whereas Favre will have to have 6 strait games of
    < 70 rating, < 200 yds, and more INT's than TD's before the D's will regularly stack the box.

    LOL! So that is what your earmark standard is before defenses will respect the pass?

    Can you show me a 6 game stretch where Favre has accomplished that?


    How many QB's in history have ever accomplished that?


    Can you show me where Favre has had a 6 game stretch throwing 300+?

    Can you show me where Favre has had a 6 game stretch with a QB rating of 100+?

    Don't be setting targets that Favre himself hasn't reached.

    BTW, Jone averaged over 4.0 YPC in 5 of his 6 last years playing (he had 4.6 YPC in 2003 with BJ under center & had 4.3 with Orton under center)

    Another stat the Favre camp doesn't tell you

    Cotchery 2007: 1130,
    13.8 YPR
    Cotcery 2008: 858,
    12.1 YPR
    Just to be fair their other starter did improve.






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    Coles 2008 850 12.1
    Coles 2007 646 11.7

    As did Leon Washington.

    Rushing





    Yds
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    2008 448 5.9 6
    2007 353 5.0 3

    Receiving






    Yds

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    2007 213 5.9
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    Re: Five Plays the Minnesota Vikings Should Have on Speed Dial

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    Re: Five Plays the Minnesota Vikings Should Have on Speed Dial

    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    What I would like to see is plays that make the D go crazy.
    i.e. have AD, CT, and Harvin in the huddle and play musical chairs as to who sets up at tailback.

    What I do know is Favre will help the running game more than he will the passing game.
    D's will respect the passing game enough to really open up the running game.
    Just look at what happened to the yds/att when Favre went from the Pack to the Jets.

    Ryan Grant

    2007 5.1 yds/att

    2008
    3.9


    Diff - 1.2
    Thomas Jones
    2007 3.6

    2008
    4.5

    Diff +0.9

    Can you just imagine if AD can have a similar bump in yds/att from his 2008 4.8

    to a 2009 of 5.8.
    Given AD's 363 att that would result in 2105 yds.

    No D is going to respect TJ or Sage enough not to stack the box when AD is in the backfield, until TJ or Sage have 6 strait games with 100+ ratings, 300+yds, and 3TD's.
    Whereas Favre will have to have 6 strait games of
    < 70 rating, < 200 yds, and more INT's than TD's before the D's will regularly stack the box.

    LOL! So that is what your earmark standard is before defenses will respect the pass?

    Can you show me a 6 game stretch where Favre has accomplished that?


    How many QB's in history have ever accomplished that?


    Can you show me where Favre has had a 6 game stretch throwing 300+?

    Can you show me where Favre has had a 6 game stretch with a QB rating of 100+?

    Don't be setting targets that Favre himself hasn't reached.

    BTW, Jone averaged over 4.0 YPC in 5 of his 6 last years playing (he had 4.6 YPC in 2003 with BJ under center & had 4.3 with Orton under center)

    Another stat the Favre camp doesn't tell you

    Cotchery 2007: 1130,
    13.8 YPR
    Cotcery 2008: 858,
    12.1 YPR
    Just to be fair their other starter did improve.







    Yds


    Avg

    Coles 2008 850 12.1
    Coles 2007 646 11.7

    As did Leon Washington.

    Rushing





    Yds
    Avg
    TD

    2008 448 5.9 6
    2007 353 5.0 3

    Receiving






    Yds

    Avg

    TD
    2008
    355
    7.6
    2

    2007 213 5.9
    0
    Ah! But when did they improve?

    All we here from Favre camp is "He didn't play well because he was injured & throwing like shit the past 5 games". So lets look at that RB breakdown;

    Jones;

    1st 11 games: 4.4YPC, TD: 0.8/game
    last 5 games: 5.0 YPC, TD: 0.8/game

    http://www.nfl.com/players/thomasjones/gamelogs?id=JON755755

    Washington;

    1st 11 games: 5.5YPC, TD: 0.4/game
    last 5 games: 7.4 YPC, TD: 0.4/game

    It seems to me that these RB's did much better when Favre was injured, than when he was healthy.

    Let's also not forget that Kellen Clemens, not Pennington started 8 of those games in 2007.

    Let's also not forget that;

    75% of Favre's passes were thrown for 10 yards or less. (50% 0-10 yards, 25% behind the LOS)

    Only 4% of Favre's passes were thrown for 30+ yards & his completion % was only 17.4%. Those passes netted only 2 TD's all year. 5 of those or 22% were intercepted.

    With that said, it's clearly evident that Favre is no longer the long ball threat that he once was & teams are quickly picking up on this, if they haven't already.

    With 75% of his passes going for 10 yards or less & AD as our RB, I don't see where teams are going to start pulling that 8th man out of the box. With 8 men in the box, you can still cover that 10 yard zone.





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    Re: Five Plays the Minnesota Vikings Should Have on Speed Dial

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    hope the 99 yrd bomb to Berrian is on that list
    ;D
    The one QB we had who could make that read and sell the play to make it work is no longer on the roster.

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