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    Re: Favre has fractured ankle.

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    I highly doubt that will happen. And I'm not even sure it should. Do I think he should play ? No not really, but I honestly believe his teammates believe in him and for him to bench himself is painfully like saying "ok I've had enough". Chilly and the docs need to tell him take a seat.
    Good points that are hard to dispute, however.......

    He is supposed to be a proffesional, heck some even say a HOF'r waiting to happen.

    That kindof cat should be big enough to say, "Coach, I can't go". Truth of the matter is, I really expected him to say it last Sunday and think he would have if it wasn't for the small fact that he was at Lambblow.

    Again, if he is the leader most on here think he is, it is what he should do.
    Catch 22 wouldn't you say? If he plays he's all about himself. Yet if he says, coach I can't go, he's a puss that would be ridiculed by the Favre bashers. No decision he would make would be right.

    At this point it needs to come from Childress and Childress only. If Childress doesn't do it right now I will lose even more respect for him. Sure, he can play on his ankle from what I hear. However, it's different as a 41 year old than most other QBs in the league. No one in the NFL can claim to have more heart than Favre. Absolutely no one compares to him. He is the Cal Ripken of football. But there will be naysayers no matter what if Favre makes a decision.

    As a 43 year old myself I can tell you it's more difficult to get over even the smalles of injuries that it used to be. That in addition to his elbow and his ankle even before this new injury tells me this guy needs a break. His poor play this year makes it even more evident. Brett Favre is one of my all time favorite football players as a fan. Maybe not as a Viking fan but for anyone to call themselves a football fan Brett Favre' love and passion for the game is what everyone looks for. Sure he passes on camp which isn't cool. But the fact is I have always loved watching him play. Just like I like(d) to watch Barry Sanders, Uhrlacker and Strahan play even though I hate their teams. He is one of the toughest SOBs to ever play the game of football and it's painful to see him struggle. Especially since he is now a Viking. But time is time and right now a change (even if temporary) is necessary as much as it pains me to admit it.

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    Re: Favre has fractured ankle.

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    1: Show me someone who DOESN'T think Favre is a first ballot HOF guy?



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    Re: Favre has fractured ankle.

    ejmat wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
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    I highly doubt that will happen. And I'm not even sure it should. Do I think he should play ? No not really, but I honestly believe his teammates believe in him and for him to bench himself is painfully like saying "ok I've had enough". Chilly and the docs need to tell him take a seat.
    Good points that are hard to dispute, however.......

    He is supposed to be a proffesional, heck some even say a HOF'r waiting to happen.

    That kindof cat should be big enough to say, "Coach, I can't go". Truth of the matter is, I really expected him to say it last Sunday and think he would have if it wasn't for the small fact that he was at Lambblow.

    Again, if he is the leader most on here think he is, it is what he should do.
    Catch 22 wouldn't you say? If he plays he's all about himself. Yet if he says, coach I can't go, he's a puss that would be ridiculed by the Favre bashers. No decision he would make would be right.

    At this point it needs to come from Childress and Childress only. If Childress doesn't do it right now I will lose even more respect for him. Sure, he can play on his ankle from what I hear. However, it's different as a 41 year old than most other QBs in the league. No one in the NFL can claim to have more heart than Favre. Absolutely no one compares to him. He is the Cal Ripken of football. But there will be naysayers no matter what if Favre makes a decision.

    As a 43 year old myself I can tell you it's more difficult to get over even the smalles of injuries that it used to be. That in addition to his elbow and his ankle even before this new injury tells me this guy needs a break. His poor play this year makes it even more evident. Brett Favre is one of my all time favorite football players as a fan. Maybe not as a Viking fan but for anyone to call themselves a football fan Brett Favre' love and passion for the game is what everyone looks for. Sure he passes on camp which isn't cool. But the fact is I have always loved watching him play. Just like I like(d) to watch Barry Sanders, Uhrlacker and Strahan play even though I hate their teams. He is one of the toughest SOBs to ever play the game of football and it's painful to see him struggle. Especially since he is now a Viking. But time is time and right now a change (even if temporary) is necessary as much as it pains me to admit it.
    You have stated better than I can my thoughts exactly. No matter what Favre does he's going to be wrong to someone. The same can be said for Childress though I have little or no sympathy for him.

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    Re: Favre has fractured ankle.

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    It's not a QB problem.....it's a team problem--and the team will win or lose, not the QB.
    Its the team now huh. In a way I will almost agree with you, however, with a couple of exceptions (JA/Noodle) the Team played pretty damn good.

    Improve the QB play and the RDE play and we would have won that game. Probably a couple of others as well.

    The team got Favre his injuries and interceptions by failing in the area of pass protection......UTTERLY FAILING as he got hammered for several games and the injuries accumulated.
    I see you are still spewing forth this crap. How about this, the QB utterlly failed the OL by not being mobile, the QB utterlly failed the OL for holding the ball to long, the QB utterlly failed the WR's cause he missed them when they were wide open, the QB utterlly failed the WR's by not seeing them when they were wide open or failed to throw to them cause they were wide open but to far down the field or on a route his gimp arm couldn't make the throw to.

    Comeon, its a team game, but you've been harping the "Its the OL" problem since you decided to grace us with your presence. Just cause you keep chirping it doesn't mean we are buying it.
    Oh...NOW you want to put it all on Favre.

    Last season, when he was successful, you were dead set on handing the accolades out to the "TEAM"...in fact, you are on record as repeatedly saying that this "team" could "carry a Quarterback" to victory.

    Now, however, you want to change your tune and lay all the blame on Favre.

    How convenient for you that you get to flip flop your criteria...much like Brick with his "statistics".

    Mr Kerry? Is that you?

    The truth is, while Favre has played like crap - and no one is saying he hasn't - the TEAM has played pretty poorly too.

    In the first 4 games, the O-line didn't even bother to show up...Favre was plastered repeatedly. Hold the ball too long? He didn't have a chance to. But the line blocked well against a depleted Green Bay defensive front...so now it's ALL on Favre. We conveniently forget the first four weeks of shitastic blocking and blame Favre...

    Until Moss got here, our receivers couldn't get open to save their lives. Sure, Favre threw some crappy balls, but that mighty receiver corps that YOU claim can carry a QB couldn't carry their own jock straps...until Moss got here. Once that happened, Harvin suddenly shows up again. Now we get to conveniently forget the first 4 games - AGAIN - and just point to Favre's bad throws.

    Again, no one disputes that Favre has played badly. But isn't it POSSIBLE that had the line actuially BLOCKED - and not sacrificed Favre for 4 games - and had the receivers actually gotten open - and not forced him to force the throws - that we MIGHT be in better shape now all around?

    In short, if the team had ACTUALLY been able to carry a QB - as you have repeatedly claimed - don't you think they might have done so?

    So, while I don't blame the "team" quite to the extent that Infidel does, there's no way that they deserve the free pass you seem intent on giving them so you can justify advocating Jackson.

    How telling that Jackson gets to step in (maybe) after Moss is here to fix the receiver corps, and Sullivan is back to shore up the middle...


    ...Yup, Marrdro, that "team" sure carried Favre....all the way to the bus...and then you threw him under it.

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    LOL. Don't try to take my discussion point with the Infidel as evidence that I've changed my stance.

    I still say this team can carry a QB (ala 118 yds vs Dallas = win).

    What this team can't do is carry a QB that keeps giving the ball back to the other team at the rate our current QB is doing it at right now.

    And I am not just blaming the Noodle. Again, addressing the specific discussion point that the Infidel brought up. I am just as pissed at JA and the DL as I am with the QB play.
    And I still throw the BS flag on that, Marr.

    You know as well as I do that the Offense hasn't shown up...except for Peterson. The O-Line finally settled down with Sully's return...against a depleted Green Bay front. The receivers were shiite until Moss showed up.

    On Defense, hell, our front 4 have been AWOL. They have 3 1/2 sacks between them. Our secondary has been ineffective all season too. I am amazed every time our opponents have to punt because, for the life of me, I can't figure out how we stop them...ever....anymore.

    Again, this team couldn't carry water. And the 118 versus Dallas only proves that we could beat a team that is 1-5 FOR A REASON!!!! They suck just a little more than we do right now.

    So, again, this isn't about a team carry a QB who is giving the ball away, this is more about a QB who is making desperation plays and forcing things he shouldn't be because this team hasn't shown up yet.

    Caine
    Offense hasn't shown up?

    They've been injured.

    Percy's hip, Shiancoe's hamstring, Favre's ankle. As for the rest of them: Moss, Gerhart, Camarillo, and Baskett are brand new, Camarillo less than the others, but mind you, Favre didn't show up for training camp.

    Since the bye week, Percy's looked better than any player in the NFL. Shiancoe and Gerhart started to come alive against in recent weeks, Sullivan's back and the line looked better than ever(how much that had to do with GB's DL situation is to be seen.)

    The only guys who have been here for Favre's tenure and weren't injured this year at the skill postions: Kleinsasser, Dugan, Tahi, Lewis, and Berrian.

    3 of those guys we rarely give the ball too, and I'm afraid Berrian and Lewis just suck. Or they haven't had adequate practice time with Favre(much like the rest of the team.)

    Had Favre shown up to training camp, this would be a non-issue for all but Harvin, who missed most of camp himself, Moss and Baskett.

    And Baskett is practically irrelevant.


    I don't think it's an issue of the "offense not showing up." It's a case of Favre not showing up to camp. We could have made due with the injuries if Favre had any amount of experience with the guys who filled in during the early weeks of the season, his absence has hurt us. And now he's out for more practice time.

    I hate to say I wish he never came back, but I'm thinking it now.

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    Re: Favre has fractured ankle.

    Mr Anderson wrote:
    Caine wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    Caine wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    Infidel wrote:
    It's not a QB problem.....it's a team problem--and the team will win or lose, not the QB.
    Its the team now huh. In a way I will almost agree with you, however, with a couple of exceptions (JA/Noodle) the Team played pretty damn good.

    Improve the QB play and the RDE play and we would have won that game. Probably a couple of others as well.

    The team got Favre his injuries and interceptions by failing in the area of pass protection......UTTERLY FAILING as he got hammered for several games and the injuries accumulated.
    I see you are still spewing forth this crap. How about this, the QB utterlly failed the OL by not being mobile, the QB utterlly failed the OL for holding the ball to long, the QB utterlly failed the WR's cause he missed them when they were wide open, the QB utterlly failed the WR's by not seeing them when they were wide open or failed to throw to them cause they were wide open but to far down the field or on a route his gimp arm couldn't make the throw to.

    Comeon, its a team game, but you've been harping the "Its the OL" problem since you decided to grace us with your presence. Just cause you keep chirping it doesn't mean we are buying it.
    Oh...NOW you want to put it all on Favre.

    Last season, when he was successful, you were dead set on handing the accolades out to the "TEAM"...in fact, you are on record as repeatedly saying that this "team" could "carry a Quarterback" to victory.

    Now, however, you want to change your tune and lay all the blame on Favre.

    How convenient for you that you get to flip flop your criteria...much like Brick with his "statistics".

    Mr Kerry? Is that you?

    The truth is, while Favre has played like crap - and no one is saying he hasn't - the TEAM has played pretty poorly too.

    In the first 4 games, the O-line didn't even bother to show up...Favre was plastered repeatedly. Hold the ball too long? He didn't have a chance to. But the line blocked well against a depleted Green Bay defensive front...so now it's ALL on Favre. We conveniently forget the first four weeks of shitastic blocking and blame Favre...

    Until Moss got here, our receivers couldn't get open to save their lives. Sure, Favre threw some crappy balls, but that mighty receiver corps that YOU claim can carry a QB couldn't carry their own jock straps...until Moss got here. Once that happened, Harvin suddenly shows up again. Now we get to conveniently forget the first 4 games - AGAIN - and just point to Favre's bad throws.

    Again, no one disputes that Favre has played badly. But isn't it POSSIBLE that had the line actuially BLOCKED - and not sacrificed Favre for 4 games - and had the receivers actually gotten open - and not forced him to force the throws - that we MIGHT be in better shape now all around?

    In short, if the team had ACTUALLY been able to carry a QB - as you have repeatedly claimed - don't you think they might have done so?

    So, while I don't blame the "team" quite to the extent that Infidel does, there's no way that they deserve the free pass you seem intent on giving them so you can justify advocating Jackson.

    How telling that Jackson gets to step in (maybe) after Moss is here to fix the receiver corps, and Sullivan is back to shore up the middle...


    ...Yup, Marrdro, that "team" sure carried Favre....all the way to the bus...and then you threw him under it.

    Caine
    LOL. Don't try to take my discussion point with the Infidel as evidence that I've changed my stance.

    I still say this team can carry a QB (ala 118 yds vs Dallas = win).

    What this team can't do is carry a QB that keeps giving the ball back to the other team at the rate our current QB is doing it at right now.

    And I am not just blaming the Noodle. Again, addressing the specific discussion point that the Infidel brought up. I am just as pissed at JA and the DL as I am with the QB play.
    And I still throw the BS flag on that, Marr.

    You know as well as I do that the Offense hasn't shown up...except for Peterson. The O-Line finally settled down with Sully's return...against a depleted Green Bay front. The receivers were shiite until Moss showed up.

    On Defense, hell, our front 4 have been AWOL. They have 3 1/2 sacks between them. Our secondary has been ineffective all season too. I am amazed every time our opponents have to punt because, for the life of me, I can't figure out how we stop them...ever....anymore.

    Again, this team couldn't carry water. And the 118 versus Dallas only proves that we could beat a team that is 1-5 FOR A REASON!!!! They suck just a little more than we do right now.

    So, again, this isn't about a team carry a QB who is giving the ball away, this is more about a QB who is making desperation plays and forcing things he shouldn't be because this team hasn't shown up yet.

    Caine
    Offense hasn't shown up?

    They've been injured.

    Percy's hip, Shiancoe's hamstring, Favre's ankle. As for the rest of them: Moss, Gerhart, Camarillo, and Baskett are brand new, Camarillo less than the others, but mind you, Favre didn't show up for training camp.

    Since the bye week, Percy's looked better than any player in the NFL. Shiancoe and Gerhart started to come alive against in recent weeks, Sullivan's back and the line looked better than ever(how much that had to do with GB's DL situation is to be seen.)

    The only guys who have been here for Favre's tenure and weren't injured this year at the skill postions: Kleinsasser, Dugan, Tahi, Lewis, and Berrian.

    3 of those guys we rarely give the ball too, and I'm afraid Berrian and Lewis just suck. Or they haven't had adequate practice time with Favre(much like the rest of the team.)

    Had Favre shown up to training camp, this would be a non-issue for all but Harvin, who missed most of camp himself, Moss and Baskett.

    And Baskett is practically irrelevant.


    I don't think it's an issue of the "offense not showing up." It's a case of Favre not showing up to camp. We could have made due with the injuries if Favre had any amount of experience with the guys who filled in during the early weeks of the season, his absence has hurt us. And now he's out for more practice time.

    I hate to say I wish he never came back, but I'm thinking it now.

    ... Aaaaaaaand Favre being 41.


    ... Aaaaaaaand Favre being distracted by sexual harassment investigation.
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    Kinda funny we point out we support Jackson and think he could do better with better lineman who can pick up a blitz and better WRs then Williamson, Taylor, Wade etc and they are all excuses.. Nothing but horrible excuses

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    Kinda funny we point out we support Jackson and think he could do better with better lineman who can pick up a blitz and better WRs then Williamson, Taylor, Wade etc and they are all excuses.. Nothing but horrible excuses
    Are you implying our OL can pick up a blitz?

    Aside from Sunday nights game vs. the Packers, they've been as bad, if not worse than anything TJ had to work with.

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    Kinda funny we point out we support Jackson and think he could do better with better lineman who can pick up a blitz and better WRs then Williamson, Taylor, Wade etc and they are all excuses.. Nothing but horrible excuses
    Are you implying our OL can pick up a blitz?

    Aside from Sunday nights game vs. the Packers, they've been as bad, if not worse than anything TJ had to work with.
    Nope, just saying Jackson had the same shit happen.. Get blitzed and have no time to throw the ball or let the WRs get open

    We point it out and it's excuses and he sucks... Not that a team needs to play on all cylinders.. Proof this year- Favre ordeal we have going on

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    Kinda funny we point out we support Jackson and think he could do better with better lineman who can pick up a blitz and better WRs then Williamson, Taylor, Wade etc and they are all excuses.. Nothing but horrible excuses
    Are you implying our OL can pick up a blitz?

    Aside from Sunday nights game vs. the Packers, they've been as bad, if not worse than anything TJ had to work with.
    Nope, just saying Jackson had the same shit happen.. Get blitzed and have no time to throw the ball or let the WRs get open

    We point it out and it's excuses and he sucks... Not that a team needs to play on all cylinders.. Proof this year- Favre ordeal we have going on
    Won't argue that. They both look shockingly similar, however, Favre dealt with the same stuff last year. No pocket, rushed all the time, however he had a safety blanket with Rice and Shiancoe. Not sure where Shiancoe is this year, and Rice isn't there. He doesn't trust his other guys, and only recently is Harvin somewhat emerging as a 'go-to' guy for him.

    Last year our receivers wouldn't get open either, but he'd just huck it up to Rice and 80% of the time he'd come down with a catch.

    However, I think we can all agree that he's not playing well, injuries to both him, and others seem to be affecting our team chemistry.

    Can't wait until he and MOss are on the same page though, that can be dirty.

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    i_bleed_purple wrote:
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    Kinda funny we point out we support Jackson and think he could do better with better lineman who can pick up a blitz and better WRs then Williamson, Taylor, Wade etc and they are all excuses.. Nothing but horrible excuses
    Are you implying our OL can pick up a blitz?

    Aside from Sunday nights game vs. the Packers, they've been as bad, if not worse than anything TJ had to work with.
    Nope, just saying Jackson had the same shit happen.. Get blitzed and have no time to throw the ball or let the WRs get open

    We point it out and it's excuses and he sucks... Not that a team needs to play on all cylinders.. Proof this year- Favre ordeal we have going on
    Won't argue that. They both look shockingly similar, however, Favre dealt with the same stuff last year. No pocket, rushed all the time, however he had a safety blanket with Rice and Shiancoe. Not sure where Shiancoe is this year, and Rice isn't there. He doesn't trust his other guys, and only recently is Harvin somewhat emerging as a 'go-to' guy for him.

    Last year our receivers wouldn't get open either, but he'd just huck it up to Rice and 80% of the time he'd come down with a catch.

    However, I think we can all agree that he's not playing well, injuries to both him, and others seem to be affecting our team chemistry.

    Can't wait until he and MOss are on the same page though, that can be dirty.

    And that's what I was getting at as well.. Favre had a couple safety blankets..

    Can one really expect Jackson to succeed as a young QB.. Shitty coaching.. No line.. No WRs or even ONE safety blanket? Bout time to see if the kid can pull it out.. Can't get much worse then Favre has been playing.. May as well go with the young guy soon and see if we need to address this position hardcore in the offseason

    FastForward to this year... Favre has same things going on.. is Old as hell.. Is hurt.. Forcing things that aren't there.. And still some people think Favre is god.. MOST know he is hurting us though thank god.. And i'll make the same "excuses" for him as well.. Line isn't blocking.. WRs can't get seperation (most of the time due to the fact they have no time IMO)

    I don't know if Jackson is the answer.. Wouldn't surprise me if he isn't especially with this team.. But Favre sure as hell isn't.. It's a team game but Favre is the catalyst right now

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