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    Re: Is everyone tired of people hating on TJack and our WR's or is it just me?

    "Schutz" wrote:
    Hmm, maybe I should go start a thread about everybody being tired of all the T-Jack loving going on.
    But then I suppose they'd babble about something involving not loving him but he's young.
    Then I would say he'll be an average QB when/if he comes around, then people babble about how their fine with that.
    I know T-Jack is the starter now, but in the long term I think we should find another option.
    But I'll just have to put up with people like you throwing around "hater" because you assume T-Jack is going to make it just like I assume he'll be average at best but you can get away with it because it's optimistic.
    What a waste of a thread of the same old he says she says T-Jack stuff.
    Thread Killer.

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    Re: Is everyone tired of people hating on TJack and our WR's or is it just me?

    I was reading a thread on NFC North QB's the other day and people were trying to say Kyle Orton is better than TJack.
    ???

    Consensus seemed to be

    1. Jon Kitna
    2. Aaron Rodgers
    3. Rex Grossman
    4. Kyle Orton
    5. TJack

    Seriously?
    Aaron Rodgers?
    Who's done what?

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    Re: Is everyone tired of people hating on TJack and our WR's or is it just me?

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    Look, he may have a winning record, but that has happened with QB's like Trent Dilfer and Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler etc. All of the actually were the winning QB's on SB teams but they were in a situation where the team was strong and they may have been a weak link, but not weak enough to keep them from winning the SB. That being said, in the end none of them ever became long term successful QB's.


    Jackson is right now at a point in his career where he is on a rising team that can win games with any number of QB's behind center if the line does it's job. The thing that remains o be seen is whether he can become a leader that can take the team down the field and score in spite of a poor performance by other units on the team. So far he has not has a 300 yard game (200 either?) and has not had a game where he threw more than 100 yards of passes to a single player. Much of that is not his sole responsibility but much of it is. If he can become a leader and take control of the offense he will be fine, but so far we have yet to see it. Hopefully he can
    All very good points but did/do you really expect anything else out of him based on his exp level last year?

    I sure the hell didn't. In fact I thought he would play a lot worse than he did.
    But that didn't mean he didn't act like a leader last year.
    He instilled confidence when he was out there to the point that the team did win.

    Again, the reps he got last year equate to a butt load of game film that he, the coaches, the OL and TE/RB's can go over to help them get a bit deeper into the maturation process of this young team.

    You keep putting up the benchmark of 300 yd games.
    I will keep putting up the benchmark of wins and losses cause that is what is really important isn't it?

    Besides, with our Defense this year, our Offense won't have to put up half the points we did last year.
    ;D

    Well, a few things.

    Somewhere along the line, in order to get a win he is going to have to put up a few 300 yard games so I'll leave that at that.

    As far as the first part, the past is the past. this is going to be his third year and this year I expect him to know the offense, command the huddle and execute the plays proficiently when the rest of the team does their job. I am not sure if your post was done because you think I was discounting Jackson. If it was then you probably misread it or were confused because I was simply stating what is going to be expected for him to shed the doubt.

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    Re: Is everyone tired of people hating on TJack and our WR's or is it just me?

    "mewario" wrote:
    I was reading a thread on NFC North QB's the other day and people were trying to say Kyle Orton is better than TJack.

    ???

    Consensus seemed to be

    1. Jon Kitna
    2. Aaron Rodgers
    3. Rex Grossman
    4. Kyle Orton
    5. TJack

    Seriously?
    Aaron Rodgers?
    Who's done what?
    Because of the Dallas game, when he was losing and he was throwing against the banged up dallas secondary who had Roy williams and Jaque Reeves in coverage

    it should be like this

    1. kitna
    2. tjack
    3. rodgers
    4. grossman

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    Re: Is everyone tired of people hating on TJack and our WR's or is it just me?

    "mewario" wrote:
    I was reading a thread on NFC North QB's the other day and people were trying to say Kyle Orton is better than TJack.

    ???

    Consensus seemed to be

    1. Jon Kitna
    2. Aaron Rodgers
    3. Rex Grossman
    4. Kyle Orton
    5. TJack

    Seriously?
    Aaron Rodgers?
    Who's done what?
    There definitely is a lot of hate around here and other parts, but I would have to say I probably would rate Aaron Rodgers not only ahead of T-Jack, but ahead of Kitna. I definitely would not rate Kyle Orton ahead of T-Jack ... and Sexy Rexy is about even. Hell, Grossman has lost more games for the Bears than Jackson has lost for the Vikes (he also has won some games too, which I don't think T-Jack has ever been a reason we won a game).
    I think I would rank the North as 1. Rodgers 2. Kitna 3. Grossman 4. TJack. But, outside of Rodgers, I would not trade TJack for either of the other two.

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    Re: Is everyone tired of people hating on TJack and our WR's or is it just me?

    as far as benchmarks of a great qb game, i would put it at 250 yards and two more td's than INT's.

    Wins are important of course, but sometimes a team can win without a qb.
    Look at the bears a few years ago, they had Kyle Orton and still made a great run.
    So far, he's had a few good games.
    Many acceptable games, a few terrible ones (week 2 vs. lions), but no games that really stand out as exceptional.
    But i don't hold it against him, because no one is asking him to be peyton manning out there, and we didn't exacly have the best WR's or pass blocking.

    To expect 300 yds and 4 tds each game is unreasonable, but i won't consider him a good quarterback untill he shows he can take control of a game if need be, throw for over 300 yards and 3 tds.
    I don't expect it game in and game out, but hopefully with the addition of Berrian, he can start putting up the numbers we all want to see.

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    Re: Is everyone tired of people hating on TJack and our WR's or is it just me?

    I think he did fine for a 1st year starter.
    As long as he doesn't throw any more jump passes I'll be elated.
    I don't mind us drafting a QB to develop in the 4th round and on this year, but I definitely don't think it's as dire as some make it out to be.

    Colt Brennan is someone I think everyone is too low on.
    His accuracy is spot on, this has been proven time and time again with workouts and in game performances.
    He's perfect for the West Coast Offense.
    I think we need to snatch him up if we can in the 4th.

    A TJack/Colt Brennan duo would make me feel safe at QB for quite sometime.

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    Re: Is everyone tired of people hating on TJack and our WR's or is it just me?

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    as far as benchmarks of a great qb game, i would put it at 250 yards and two more td's than INT's.

    Wins are important of course, but sometimes a team can win without a qb.
    Look at the bears a few years ago, they had Kyle Orton and still made a great run.
    So far, he's had a few good games.
    Many acceptable games, a few terrible ones (week 2 vs. lions), but no games that really stand out as exceptional.
    But i don't hold it against him, because no one is asking him to be peyton manning out there, and we didn't exacly have the best WR's or pass blocking.

    To expect 300 yds and 4 tds each game is unreasonable, but i won't consider him a good quarterback untill he shows he can take control of a game if need be, throw for over 300 yards and 3 tds.
    I don't expect it game in and game out, but hopefully with the addition of Berrian, he can start putting up the numbers we all want to see.
    would u rather want him to throw 300 yds and 3 tds and lose, or throw 180 yd 1 td and 1 ints and win?

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    Re: Is everyone tired of people hating on TJack and our WR's or is it just me?

    "mewario" wrote:
    I think he did fine for a 1st year starter.
    As long as he doesn't throw any more jump passes I'll be elated.
    I don't mind us drafting a QB to develop in the 4th round and on this year, but I definitely don't think it's as dire as some make it out to be.

    Colt Brennan is someone I think everyone is too low on.
    His accuracy is spot on, this has been proven time and time again with workouts and in game performances.
    He's perfect for the West Coast Offense.
    I think we need to snatch him up if we can in the 4th.

    A TJack/Colt Brennan duo would make me feel safe at QB for quite sometime.
    colt just had surgery, he is now projected to go in the 6th/7th/undrafted
    if he is there in the 7th rd id take him, but not any earlier than that

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    Re: Is everyone tired of people hating on TJack and our WR's or is it just me?

    "dcboardr41" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    as far as benchmarks of a great qb game, i would put it at 250 yards and two more td's than INT's.

    Wins are important of course, but sometimes a team can win without a qb.
    Look at the bears a few years ago, they had Kyle Orton and still made a great run.
    So far, he's had a few good games.
    Many acceptable games, a few terrible ones (week 2 vs. lions), but no games that really stand out as exceptional.
    But i don't hold it against him, because no one is asking him to be peyton manning out there, and we didn't exacly have the best WR's or pass blocking.

    To expect 300 yds and 4 tds each game is unreasonable, but i won't consider him a good quarterback untill he shows he can take control of a game if need be, throw for over 300 yards and 3 tds.
    I don't expect it game in and game out, but hopefully with the addition of Berrian, he can start putting up the numbers we all want to see.
    would u rather want him to throw 300 yds and 3 tds and lose, or throw 180 yd 1 td and 1 ints and win?
    just because the team has been able to win despite mediocre qb play doesn't mean they'd lose if he stepped his game up.
    Thats just silly to think so.

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