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    Quote Originally Posted by tarkenton10 View Post
    I may be a bit pessimistic, we had the lead in the last two minutes or the last half of the 4th quarter of at least five games. If our D doesn't give up TDs at the end of those games and holds the opponent we would have been 10-5-1, so you never know.

    I just know we have a brutal schedule and this team isn't talented enough to win them unless they play hard for 60 minutes, that means the last two minutes are included!!
    Right!!?!!

    And I'm pretty sure that every single DB on our roster missed time with injuries last year, leaving us with backup backups and waiver wire adds to field a secondary. There may have been a game or two where every CB and Safety that started was a replacement!??

    Seems to me, that if our DBs are healthy, they are better already, that Munnerlyn by himself is better than Cook and an out of place Robinson put together, and that is before scheme change and getting younger and deeper all along our DLine. If our injury luck is even just a wee bit better or more spread out, my guess is we will see significant improvement on that side of the ball. Of course, when you're sitting on the bottom, there's no where else to go but up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainviking View Post
    Right!!?!!

    And I'm pretty sure that every single DB on our roster missed time with injuries last year, leaving us with backup backups and waiver wire adds to field a secondary. There may have been a game or two where every CB and Safety that started was a replacement!??

    Seems to me, that if our DBs are healthy, they are better already, that Munnerlyn by himself is better than Cook and an out of place Robinson put together, and that is before scheme change and getting younger and deeper all along our DLine. If our injury luck is even just a wee bit better or more spread out, my guess is we will see significant improvement on that side of the ball. Of course, when you're sitting on the bottom, there's no where else to go but up!
    Very savvy observation on your part!! Captain made two pos. better by joining our team. He vastly improved the slot CB and improved the outside CB pos. which Robinson will most likely take. Robinson was lost at slot but his skillset allows him to be back at his normal pos. on the outside. Captain also will vastly improve our third down D efficiency IMO. Which means we get off the field more often and improve the TOP. He and Joseph are probably the two most important offseason pickups and that may include the draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drewlovs View Post
    I might be mixing him up with another WR, but didn't he have limited college experience? Like less than 2 year's worth? If I'm right, I'm sure you won't find film on a lot of things in regards to CP.
    You don't need year of film to tell the kind of routes a guy feels comfortable in. He simply isn't a go up and get it guy. Not saying he can't and won't do it. However, he is at his best when not being asked to fight for the ball. Certain guys have different skill sets. Just because someone is 6'3 doesn't mean that they are a jump ball guy. He may do it from time to time but it might not be a point of strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    You don't need year of film to tell the kind of routes a guy feels comfortable in. He simply isn't a go up and get it guy. Not saying he can't and won't do it. However, he is at his best when not being asked to fight for the ball. Certain guys have different skill sets. Just because someone is 6'3 doesn't mean that they are a jump ball guy. He may do it from time to time but it might not be a point of strength.
    I agree, he's more of a YAC guy. He's still young and can develop into a GREAT all-round WR, which I believe he will in a couple years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tarkenton10 View Post
    I may be a bit pessimistic, we had the lead in the last two minutes or the last half of the 4th quarter of at least five games. If our D doesn't give up TDs at the end of those games and holds the opponent we would have been 10-5-1, so you never know.

    I just know we have a brutal schedule and this team isn't talented enough to win them unless they play hard for 60 minutes, that means the last two minutes are included!!
    Do not forget about the brain dead calls that muskrat was sending in. Calling pass plays to give the other team free time outs when we should of been RUNNING the clock out. Then again Ponder should of been smart enough to audible into a run play even when Muskrat sent in a pass play. Both sides of the ball had a helping hand in them last second losses.

    I honestly blame the offensive play calls more then the defense. We knew our defense wasn't that strong, so calling pass plays and failing to convert them killed us in the end. It still boggles me to this day why we would try to pass the ball with under two minutes left and the lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarkenton10 View Post
    Very savvy observation on your part!! Captain made two pos. better by joining our team. He vastly improved the slot CB and improved the outside CB pos. which Robinson will most likely take. Robinson was lost at slot but his skillset allows him to be back at his normal pos. on the outside. Captain also will vastly improve our third down D efficiency IMO. Which means we get off the field more often and improve the TOP. He and Joseph are probably the two most important offseason pickups and that may include the draft.
    Agreed. I feel pretty strongly that nickel back is a position that requires some extended experience to build instincts because of how complex and varied the routes and positions are that the guy has to cover...the guy has to know within a second of the snap whether he's on the slot WR, TE, or RB and then has to get into position quickly to have any chance of breaking up said pass. A vet who can cover the slot and fill the nickel hole vacated by cutting Winfield was my top free agent priority and I think Cap'n is a perfect fit for that role. Also, Robinson looked better outside, in year one, where his straight line speed can help him more, so, win-win!

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    After the season last year, virtually all the national media talking heads blamed the Vikings bad season on the QB. Only one that I saw, recognized the role the defense played.
    Those so called experts don't follow the teams as closely as some think; especially the least competitive teams.
    Their opinions are no better than several who post here, despite having more access to inside information.
    The national media may believe the Vikings will suck again this year, and it could happen, but I doubt the players, coaches, and staff, believe that.
    I'm one fan going on record early that doesn't believe it.
    I envision an offense and defense, that improves enough to make the play-offs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    You don't need year of film to tell the kind of routes a guy feels comfortable in. He simply isn't a go up and get it guy. Not saying he can't and won't do it. However, he is at his best when not being asked to fight for the ball. Certain guys have different skill sets. Just because someone is 6'3 doesn't mean that they are a jump ball guy. He may do it from time to time but it might not be a point of strength.
    My only point was in that short time he has played football, he wasn't asked to do a lot of different things. As such, just because he is comfortable with playing one way doesn't mean he won't be just as comfortable playing another; it just means he has never tried to do so. He is excellent in open space, so I completely agree getting him the ball in the open is the way to go. I'm just not willing to type cast him so early in his career (not that you were trying to do that either).

    On the other topic being bantered, NFL analysts are paid to start "dialog" and stir controversy. The more we talk about what they said, whether it is idiotic or not, the more they get paid. I've seen that footage of Sherman knocking the ball away from Crabtree in the NFC Championship ad nausum all off season, and the conclusion I always hear is, "Wow, Sherman played that perfectly!!" But I see a CB out of position making a desperate play, and getting incredibly lucky Kapernick under threw that pass. If he dropped it into the corner of the endzone (like Kapernick himself SAID he was supposed to do), its a touchdown and we are talking about the 49ers.

    My point is, the dumb asses on NFL Network draw a LOT of conclusions that in a vacuum look accurate, but have flaws just outside that vacuum. The "vacuum" they put on the Vikings is comparing our team's schedule with too much emphasis on how both teams played last year. I constantly hear the caveat "The vikings DID address this in the offseason, but..." just in case we were successful in fixing those holes. Then they go on to predict our success based on a team we no longer have.

    You would THINK they'd have learned their lesson after last year, when "powerhouses" the Texans and Falcons completely imploded, but I don't think lessons come easy to the talking heads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mac D View Post
    I agree, he's more of a YAC guy. He's still young and can develop into a GREAT all-round WR, which I believe he will in a couple years.
    Well damn ... I have been agreeing with ole C Mac on a ton lately ... but C M D and kevon! Wow.
    He definitely has not yet shown signs of being a go up and get it guy, but I do think he could develop into that ... he definitely has the tools.

    I think in three or four years, CP could be the steal of the 2013 Draft. He has so much going for him and so many things to like. He could be an All-Pro ... not just a Pro Bowler ... an All-Pro if we have somebody to get him the damn ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drewlovs View Post
    My only point was in that short time he has played football, he wasn't asked to do a lot of different things. As such, just because he is comfortable with playing one way doesn't mean he won't be just as comfortable playing another; it just means he has never tried to do so. He is excellent in open space, so I completely agree getting him the ball in the open is the way to go. I'm just not willing to type cast him so early in his career (not that you were trying to do that either).

    On the other topic being bantered, NFL analysts are paid to start "dialog" and stir controversy. The more we talk about what they said, whether it is idiotic or not, the more they get paid. I've seen that footage of Sherman knocking the ball away from Crabtree in the NFC Championship ad nausum all off season, and the conclusion I always hear is, "Wow, Sherman played that perfectly!!" But I see a CB out of position making a desperate play, and getting incredibly lucky Kapernick under threw that pass. If he dropped it into the corner of the endzone (like Kapernick himself SAID he was supposed to do), its a touchdown and we are talking about the 49ers.

    My point is, the dumb asses on NFL Network draw a LOT of conclusions that in a vacuum look accurate, but have flaws just outside that vacuum. The "vacuum" they put on the Vikings is comparing our team's schedule with too much emphasis on how both teams played last year. I constantly hear the caveat "The vikings DID address this in the offseason, but..." just in case we were successful in fixing those holes. Then they go on to predict our success based on a team we no longer have.

    You would THINK they'd have learned their lesson after last year, when "powerhouses" the Texans and Falcons completely imploded, but I don't think lessons come easy to the talking heads.
    Well put. I see that way as well.

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