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    Quote Originally Posted by tarkenton10 View Post
    He was never ask to be that guy, lets just relax and see what Norv is going to do with offense before we dissect it and find its faults. We may have this discussion next year after we see what Norv is going to do with all of our offensive players.
    I just saw the FAs that will be available next year, and it reads like a who's who list of some of the best WR talent the NFL has to offer. If CP cannot fill the spot, we can and WILL find someone who can.

    The only problem I have with the article is the author never took into account Cassel, if Teddy is not ready for prime time. How does MATT fit into this scheme? Ponder will definitely win the award for "waste of a roster spot" if we do indeed go this direction, as "waiting in the pocket for deep routes to develop" sounds like a description of how to insure Ponder will throw a pick.
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    I think we have enough weapons to make things interesting this year. I am excited to see the revamped defense. If it is improved I think we will surprise a lot of folks. Can't wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drewlovs View Post
    I just saw the FAs that will be available next year, and it reads like a who's who list of some of the best WR talent the NFL has to offer. If CP cannot fill the spot, we can and WILL find someone who can.

    The only problem I have with the article is the author never took into account Cassel, if Teddy is not ready for prime time. How does MATT fit into this scheme? Ponder will definitely win the award for "waste of a roster spot" if we do indeed go this direction, as "waiting in the pocket for deep routes to develop" sounds like a description of how to insure Ponder will throw a pick.
    Actually "Waiting in the Pocket for deep routes" = "scrambling after one read and throwing a screen, behind a WR or to the RB safety valve" in Pondernese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainviking View Post
    Envisioning the New Viking Offense - Daily Norseman

    Pretty good read, kinda long, looking deep into Turner's past offenses, how they worked when well staffed, and how they didn't while missing a few pieces...

    Looks like a pretty damn good fit from my perspective. We can only hope it fits as well on the field as on paper, eh!?!! And, they stay healthy enough to pull it off consistently!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarkenton10 View Post
    He was never ask to be that guy, lets just relax and see what Norv is going to do with offense before we dissect it and find its faults. We may have this discussion next year after we see what Norv is going to do with all of our offensive players.
    I was talking about how he attaccks the ball. He simply isn't that style of WR. Hav eseen nothing in college that says otherwise. Not saying he can't do it but I believe WRs have styles and that's not his.

    I was looking for a physical WR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    I was talking about how he attaccks the ball. He simply isn't that style of WR. Hav eseen nothing in college that says otherwise. Not saying he can't do it but I believe WRs have styles and that's not his.

    I was looking for a physical WR.
    I might be mixing him up with another WR, but didn't he have limited college experience? Like less than 2 year's worth? If I'm right, I'm sure you won't find film on a lot of things in regards to CP.
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    I think CP can be that guy, he's not afraid to put himself in the firing line and neither is Simpson. If either Cassell or Bridgewater can get into a groove then defences are going to have to abandon the "stop AP at all costs" approach to playing us and consider the WRs, TEs etc.

    I hate to say it but I am beginning to look optimistically at 2014 for a wild card spot or more as there are some crazy talented teams out there and we have to deal with a strange stadium for a couple of years
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_The_Viking View Post
    I think CP can be that guy, he's not afraid to put himself in the firing line and neither is Simpson. If either Cassell or Bridgewater can get into a groove then defences are going to have to abandon the "stop AP at all costs" approach to playing us and consider the WRs, TEs etc.

    I hate to say it but I am beginning to look optimistically at 2014 for a wild card spot or more as there are some crazy talented teams out there and we have to deal with a strange stadium for a couple of years
    I wish I could say I am optimistic about next year but our schedule is brutal. We will be lucky to have a win in the first 5 games, that is a heck of a hole to climb out of in our division. We are on the road against STL, NO, BUFF, MIA and TB. STL and NO have more talent than us and we are on the road-2 losses, the other three we are evenly matched IMO but the advantage goes to the home team so I think we lose to BUFF and TB. That leaves us with MIA as our only win against road opponents (I think we lose all our division games that are away also). 1-7 on the road is not going to get us to the playoffs.

    Optimistically, if we win all our Division home games then will probably lose to the Pats and Panthers at home. At home, the Falcons are a toss up and the Redskins and Jets are a probable win. I think we will lose to the Falcons or the Jets (1-1). The home record will be 5-3 by my prediction that will leave us with a 6-10 record for next year. With every prediction there is a variance so I think we will be between 6-10 and 8-8. I do think 6-10 is as low as we go, I don't think we will lose 11 or more games.

    We may win one more game on the road but we also could be swept by the Pukers so that would be a wash!!
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    While Tark10's estimates are pretty realistic, we do have a decent chance of performing better than that. Despite last season's failures, last year's team wasn't really all that bad. After all, we are only one year removed from 10-6 and a playoff appearance and we lost 4 games by 4 or less points in the final seconds last year. Our last 10-6 record was achieved by being a tough, blue-collar, grind it out football team that plays just well enough in all three phases to win games. Yeah, AD's 2000 yards were a big part of that, but so were solid Special Teams play and good defense.

    Last season's Vikings Special Teams ranked top 1 and 2 in return averages while our punts and kickoffs were pretty average, and we retained that coach for continuity at a strength. I fully believe that our defense was better than the year end stats indicate, and a bit of luck on those guys' health added to Zimmer's new scheme, and there's a pretty good chance that our defensive stats will look much, much better at the end of this next season. When you add a top notch running game to good STs and solid D, you end up with high Time Of Possession, resulting in lots of close games.

    The offense, and really entire team, looked much better with Cassel at the helm, and that was with the old boring schemes. I suspect Turner's offense will be far less boring and predictable. A year of experience and better focus could work wonders with "Flash" Patterson, and I think they've figured out that he needs a few more plays coming his way too. Healthy TEs would certainly help as well, and if Yankey's intelligence and youth help him beat out Charlie and improve OL in year one, this offense might be better than advertised and sooner than later.

    Of course, on the other hand, players could struggle to learn the new schemes, our rookie head coach might make some mistakes of his own, and the injury bug could mug us again too...so I'm keeping my expectations low, But thinking/hoping that we're going to watch some fun football this year, lots of down to the wire games like last year, but games that an even slightly better team will win a few more of.

    IF that happens, we might sneak out a few wins nobody suspects like on the road vs. teams like the Bucs, Bills or Rams, and go into our bye week at 4-5 or 5-4. After the bye we at least have 4 of 7 games at home, and with something to play for, we might win most if not all of those and that would put us at 8-8 or 9-7, and right on the verge of the playoffs!?!

    I think we need a smiley with large over sized PURPLE SHADES!???!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainviking View Post
    While Tark10's estimates are pretty realistic, we do have a decent chance of performing better than that. Despite last season's failures, last year's team wasn't really all that bad. After all, we are only one year removed from 10-6 and a playoff appearance and we lost 4 games by 4 or less points in the final seconds last year. Our last 10-6 record was achieved by being a tough, blue-collar, grind it out football team that plays just well enough in all three phases to win games. Yeah, AD's 2000 yards were a big part of that, but so were solid Special Teams play and good defense.

    Last season's Vikings Special Teams ranked top 1 and 2 in return averages while our punts and kickoffs were pretty average, and we retained that coach for continuity at a strength. I fully believe that our defense was better than the year end stats indicate, and a bit of luck on those guys' health added to Zimmer's new scheme, and there's a pretty good chance that our defensive stats will look much, much better at the end of this next season. When you add a top notch running game to good STs and solid D, you end up with high Time Of Possession, resulting in lots of close games.

    The offense, and really entire team, looked much better with Cassel at the helm, and that was with the old boring schemes. I suspect Turner's offense will be far less boring and predictable. A year of experience and better focus could work wonders with "Flash" Patterson, and I think they've figured out that he needs a few more plays coming his way too. Healthy TEs would certainly help as well, and if Yankey's intelligence and youth help him beat out Charlie and improve OL in year one, this offense might be better than advertised and sooner than later.

    Of course, on the other hand, players could struggle to learn the new schemes, our rookie head coach might make some mistakes of his own, and the injury bug could mug us again too...so I'm keeping my expectations low, But thinking/hoping that we're going to watch some fun football this year, lots of down to the wire games like last year, but games that an even slightly better team will win a few more of.

    IF that happens, we might sneak out a few wins nobody suspects like on the road vs. teams like the Bucs, Bills or Rams, and go into our bye week at 4-5 or 5-4. After the bye we at least have 4 of 7 games at home, and with something to play for, we might win most if not all of those and that would put us at 8-8 or 9-7, and right on the verge of the playoffs!?!

    I think we need a smiley with large over sized PURPLE SHADES!???!
    I may be a bit pessimistic, we had the lead in the last two minutes or the last half of the 4th quarter of at least five games. If our D doesn't give up TDs at the end of those games and holds the opponent we would have been 10-5-1, so you never know.

    I just know we have a brutal schedule and this team isn't talented enough to win them unless they play hard for 60 minutes, that means the last two minutes are included!!

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