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    Re: Draft - why we're struggling

    I have to agree about the draft picks. Cedric Griffin and Chris Kluwe (particularly last year) are the only draft picks I've been impressed by the last two years. Greg Blue has had some nice plays when he's on the field too.

    Hopefully Williamson and Jackson will both come good eventually. I think you're being a bit harsh on Cook though, but I take you're point.

    The two 'franchsie players' we have had recently got exchanged for Troy Williamson, Napoleon Harris and Ryan Cook. Surely we could have gotten better than that??

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    Re: Draft - why we're struggling

    "Aberration" wrote:
    you should have expanded it to the 3rd round in 2005...

    where we picked Fox and then decided to cut him this year
    Defensive back Dustin Fox, the 2005 third-round draft choice, was injured all last year and was released at the end of this year's training camp. Running back Ciatrick Fason, the fourth-round choice, didn't play at all this year until recently. Sixth-round choice C.J. Mosley, a defensive tackle, was traded to the Jets this year for backup quarterback Brooks Bollinger, and seventh-round cornerback Adrian Ward didn't make the team last year.

    "LunchBox" wrote:
    If you want a reason why this team is struggling, it's because we just haven't gotten enough from our high draft picks the last two years.
    Injuries have played a part, and some guys are projects, but in the NFL your top picks have got to contribute.
    Look at the 6 1st/2nd rounders from the last two drafts:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    Great Post, have to agree that the past drafts picks aren't worth poo.
    Former Vikings coach Bud Grant used to say that you can't judge draft choices until perhaps late in their second season or the start of their third season.


    Do you feel smarter than Bud Grant?

    Here's my source for the quote & the information;

    [size=13pt]Vikings' recent draft picks haven't been much help[/size]


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    "spunk_goblin" wrote:
    I have to agree about the draft picks. Cedric Griffin and Chris Kluwe (particularly last year) are the only draft picks I've been impressed by the last two years. Greg Blue has had some nice plays when he's on the field too.

    Hopefully Williamson and Jackson will both come good eventually. I think you're being a bit harsh on Cook though, but I take you're point.

    The two 'franchsie players' we have had recently got exchanged for Troy Williamson, Napoleon Harris and Ryan Cook. Surely we could have gotten better than that??
    1. We did not draft Kluwe, we took him off the Seahawks practice squad.

    2. We got Williamson & Harris in the Moss trade. Harris is having a good year & you can't judge Cook based on limited play in two games. LMAO!

    See Bud Grants quote above in my previous post.

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    Re: Draft - why we're struggling

    My point was not to say that Cook will never be a good player (but i really, really, really doubt it) but to say that we're not getting much contribution from him now.
    You could expand that to the whole draft class.
    I'm not giving up on anybody, but it undeniable that one of the BIG reasons we're struggling is because we're not getting much from the last two draft classes.

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    No worries, I know we will still make the playoffs. Just believe
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    Re: Draft - why we're struggling

    My last two drafts would have included:

    2005

    #7 - Derrick Johnson
    #18 - Matt Jones
    #49 - the best remaining OL prospect left on the board

    2006
    #17 -
    DeAngelo Williams
    #48 - Marcus McNeill
    #51 -
    Abdul Hodge

    MY past posts will verify that these were the players that I wanted...

    Johnson would be our starting MLB, Jones our deep threat (he STILL has better hands than TWill and is a bit faster)

    DeAngelo would have allowed us to pass on Chester (though I do agree that he was a great pickup for us and has exceeded all expectations), McNeill was vastly underrated in the draft and has played great at LT for the Chargers (he would have been a superstar at RT for us), and Hodge would have definitely been in the mix at LB (and would have vastly improved our special teams' performance).

    Too bad the Vikes didn't listen to me!
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    Re: Draft - why we're struggling

    "LunchBox" wrote:
    If you want a reason why this team is struggling, it's because we just haven't gotten enough from our high draft picks the last two years.
    Injuries have played a part, and some guys are projects, but in the NFL your top picks have got to contribute.
    Look at the 6 1st/2nd rounders from the last two drafts:

    2005
    Rd 1 - #7 overall
    Troy Williamson.
    Not exactly giving us much right now.
    Struggling to catch anything.
    Benched on Sunday in favor of Billy McMullin.
    Doesn't mean he won't be better in the future, or he could be a bust.
    Mike Williams looks like a bust and that is who most people wanted one bust or another whats the frickin difference?

    Plus McMullen has earned the playing time and I am happy we made the trade for him!

    Rd 1 - #18 overall
    Erasmus James.
    The bad: On IR.
    The good: Has as many sacks as 2004's #1 pick (Udeze)
    What's your point?
    Because he got hurt?
    This is the NFL and people get hurt (sh*t happens) if he has 10 sacks next eyar is this a bad pick?


    Rd 2 - #49 overall
    Marcus Johnson.
    Has stuggled at LG, RG, LT and RT.
    Makes the T-E stunt look as hard to solve as the Rubik's cube.
    Has not played left guard and has not played left tackle in the pros, and he will be switched back to a Right Guard next year.

    I don't know how long a lot of you have been fans of the NFL but it takes 3 to 4 years to develop a good O-lineman!


    2006
    Rd 1 - #17 overall
    Chad Greenway.
    Blew out knee covering kick-off in preseason game.
    He did!
    Again this is the NFL and people get hurt!

    Could anybody have predicted he would get hurt before we drafted him?

    Rd 2 - #48
    Cedric Griffin.
    Already beat out Fred Smoot.
    Looks really good.

    Does he have a sophomore jinx?
    What if he never recovers if he does?


    Rd 2 - #51
    Ryan Cook.
    Makes Johnson look like a steal.
    Possibly the first ever 2nd round pick offensive lineman to be inactive for the first 5 games of the season.
    Third sting behind (shudders) Marcus "I suck" Johnson and Mike "I really suck" Rosenthal.
    Unbelievablly horrible pick.
    Again it takes 3 to 4 years to develop good O-lineman.

    He actually played well the week before and he was going against Ogunleye which is not is to do.

    Rd 2 - #64
    Tavaris Jackson.
    Obviously not contributing, he's the 3rd sting QB.
    QB of the future for better or worse.
    He played last week and if he makes it to the probowl in 3 years what then?

    Or what if he plays for 1 season and then is a journeyman QB for a couple years and then is out of the NFL?




    It is ridiculous to try and say if either of these drafts were good or bad, yet, you have to wait and see how the players develop but some fans seem to think that all players should come in and by week 6 of their rookie year should be starting and playing at probowl levels, and that is not realistic.
    What we've got here is failure to communicate.

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    Re: Draft - why we're struggling

    we need a big name draft pick.. a WR or something to spice up the vikings amazingly nameless roster
    i m better than you, so just give up...

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    "Potus2028" wrote:
    we need a big name draft pick.. a WR or something to spice up the vikings amazingly nameless roster

    5 years ago how many people could name more than 5 players on the Pat's team?

    Not many.
    What we've got here is failure to communicate.

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    Re: Draft - why we're struggling

    "cajunvike" wrote:
    My last two drafts would have included:

    2005

    #7 - Derrick Johnson
    #18 - Matt Jones
    #49 - the best remaining OL prospect left on the board

    2006
    #17 -
    DeAngelo Williams
    #48 - Marcus McNeill
    #51 -
    Abdul Hodge

    MY past posts will verify that these were the players that I wanted...

    Johnson would be our starting MLB, Jones our deep threat (he STILL has better hands than TWill and is a bit faster)

    DeAngelo would have allowed us to pass on Chester (though I do agree that he was a great pickup for us and has exceeded all expectations), McNeill was vastly underrated in the draft and has played great at LT for the Chargers (he would have been a superstar at RT for us), and Hodge would have definitely been in the mix at LB (and would have vastly improved our special teams' performance).

    Too bad the Vikes didn't listen to me!
    Hey, look at the bright side, at least Griffin exceeded most peoples expectations

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