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    draft day scenarios

    Consider this: what if Gilbert, Dennard, Clowney, Mack, Mosley and Barr have all been taken before we get to pick do to the desires of the NFL GMs wanting to duplicate what Seattle has done? As strange as that sounds, if last year's run on OTs didn't convince you it could happen, you weren't paying attention.

    That leaves both WRs (Evans and Watkins) PLUS all 4 QBs all there for the taking. We could even add a few more WRs due to the depth of that position, but let's not get into that right away. We have discussed IF Manziel will still be around at 8 AD nausem, but we have yet to discuss what we would do if ALL FOUR were available. I'm a Manziel fan, and if this scenario happened, I would trade back only a few spots to pick up an extra pick, but stay high enough to lock in my guy. Let the WR thirsty teams woo us for the #8 while still allowing us to get our QB PLUS an extra 2nd round pick (at the least). The niners in particular would trade a LOT for the #8 if Watkins was still on the board, but that might be TOO far back if we want Manziel or Bortles...or Bridgewater for that matter. Teddy is going to be on "Game-Changers" on the NFL Network, FYI; the short series starts on April 8th. I'm not sure when the QBs will be on, but it COULD raise his stock again.

    Thoughts? I really don't expect this to happen, but then, I didn't expect everyone to get OT happy last year, and this season's draft talk has already reached crazy status, and it's STILL a month away!
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    Quote Originally Posted by drewlovs View Post
    Consider this: what if Gilbert, Dennard, Clowney, Mack, Mosley and Barr have all been taken before we get to pick do to the desires of the NFL GMs wanting to duplicate what Seattle has done? As strange as that sounds, if last year's run on OTs didn't convince you it could happen, you weren't paying attention.

    That leaves both WRs (Evans and Watkins) PLUS all 4 QBs all there for the taking. We could even add a few more WRs due to the depth of that position, but let's not get into that right away. We have discussed IF Manziel will still be around at 8 AD nausem, but we have yet to discuss what we would do if ALL FOUR were available. I'm a Manziel fan, and if this scenario happened, I would trade back only a few spots to pick up an extra pick, but stay high enough to lock in my guy. Let the WR thirsty teams woo us for the #8 while still allowing us to get our QB PLUS an extra 2nd round pick (at the least). The niners in particular would trade a LOT for the #8 if Watkins was still on the board, but that might be TOO far back if we want Manziel or Bortles...or Bridgewater for that matter. Teddy is going to be on "Game-Changers" on the NFL Network, FYI; the short series starts on April 8th. I'm not sure when the QBs will be on, but it COULD raise his stock again.

    Thoughts? I really don't expect this to happen, but then, I didn't expect everyone to get OT happy last year, and this season's draft talk has already reached crazy status, and it's STILL a month away!
    Well that is only six picks. Assuming the other one is one of the tackles ... then that leaves all the players you say. Not impossible, but highly improbable.

    Any scenario that has Evans/Watkins and 2 of Bridgewater/Manziel/Bortles available means we should trade back. All the WR teams know they have to get in front of Detroit at No. 10. So, if Watkins is there at No. 8 we will ABSOLUTELY have trade partners. The question is can we trade all the way back to say, No. 17 and still get one of those two QBs that are left? If ALL the QBs are left ... it is an absolute no brainer. With the depth in this draft, there would be a ton of value in picking up the extra picks if we can still get a QB. We need to likely stay in front of Arizona and Cleveland though on the back half ... and there are rumblings that Tennessee may be done with Locker already.

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    Mountain Viking’s Mock Draft 2014

    1. HOU Greg Robinson, OT Houston was 2nd worst in the league last year in QB hits allowed. No QB can succeed without some protection and they should know that better than anyone from Carr 1.0 absorbing over 70 sacks a season. Secondly, none of the QBs are worthy of the first overall pick and Robinson’s combination of strength, size and speed is.

    2. STL Jake Mathews, OT The big guys who are also athletes are rare and STL has a need and knows the kid. After HOU goes OT, it kind of forces their hand a bit to not gamble on landing too good of a fit.

    3. JAX Blake Bortles, QB They’ve signed a bunch of defense and traded away Gabbert. Selecting a semi-local kid is probably good for fan morale and ticket sales.

    4. CLE Sammy Watkins, WR The Defense is actually pretty solid, offense is where they need help at OG, RB, QB, and WR, but the first 2 can be had later, the third would be a bit of a gamble, and with all the upheaval in Cleveland recently, they kind of need to make a “safe” and “smart” pick, and Sammy provides that here.

    5. OAK Clowney, DE I was thinking they should go OT too, but they did pay a bunch of money to Penn and Howard after drafting Watson in the 2nd round last year. The two DL guys they signed are even older. Even Al Davis would love this superfreak pick and you know that Clowney fits well in an AFC West Defense that has to face Peyton, Philip and Reid’s Chiefs twice a year each.

    6. ATL Anthony Barr, OLB They already signed the big DL guys to move to a 3-4, so they probably want Barr/Mack more than Clowney anyway. Again, they desperately need to protect Matt Ryan better too, but Lewan’s pending trial backs them off on that angle, and may drop him down to where they could move their 2nd round pick up for him. Barr is probably the best pure pass rusher in the draft, especially if slotted outside in a 3-4 and would be a great fit, especially if the offense can get healthy and give him a lead to work with.

    7. TB Kahlil Mack The Bucs offense was terrible last year. Near the bottom in yards and points, both rushing and passing. But, they do get Doug Martin and Carl Nicks back from injury and signed other OL upgrades and have a decent 1-2 at WR. They restocked most of the defense. The biggest hole looks to be QB, but my guess is that Lovie prefers more of a ball control offense to balance out his rebuilt defense anyway, and really? Are any of the QBs available here really that much better than McCown was last year? Glennon is still young and may improve too. Mack gives Lovie a Singletary/Urlacher type of defender, though as a sleeper, pairing Mike Evans with Vincent Jackson would give him the large dynamic duo he may have pictured when he drafted Alshon Jeffrey with the Bears…I could also see them adding a legit CB to start opposite Verner. But the drop off at those positions isn’t nearly what it would be at LB so I’m rolling with Mack for now.

    8. MIN Oh what to do here, eh!? Bridgewater and Manziel both on the board with Mike Evans, Mosley and both of the top Corners...seems we could move back and still land a great pick.

    BUF and DET could both be looking at a big WR like Evans. They could also both be looking at the last top notch LT prospect too. The next two picks, TEN and NYG could also use OL and WR help. As I've mentioned above, Lewan might not even make it to 8 with OAK, ATL and TB all potentially wanting an OL upgrade as well. His size, 6'7" and tenacity make him a great LT prospect worthy of top ten selection. Meanwhile, seems the only team looking for a QB between 10 and 20 would be the Titans at 11 and they also have a plethora of other needs. But, in the race to land the last best OL guy don't forget the Dolphins who are pretty much starting over all along their offensive front due to the bullying report. That move might cost them their 2 and 3, but with our 4 going back to them as change...and "reaching" for a QB with potential at 19 doesn't sound nearly as bad as it does at 8 (or 12.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    Well that is only six picks. Assuming the other one is one of the tackles ... then that leaves all the players you say. Not impossible, but highly improbable.

    Any scenario that has Evans/Watkins and 2 of Bridgewater/Manziel/Bortles available means we should trade back. All the WR teams know they have to get in front of Detroit at No. 10. So, if Watkins is there at No. 8 we will ABSOLUTELY have trade partners. The question is can we trade all the way back to say, No. 17 and still get one of those two QBs that are left? If ALL the QBs are left ... it is an absolute no brainer. With the depth in this draft, there would be a ton of value in picking up the extra picks if we can still get a QB. We need to likely stay in front of Arizona and Cleveland though on the back half ... and there are rumblings that Tennessee may be done with Locker already.
    There is a very good chance 3 of the top OTs could go before us as well; and it wouldn't be THAT big of a surprise either. The people I "know" will not be at 8 are Watkins and Clowney, anyone else is really in flux. Both are immediate relief for a team, and WILL rock the NFL world.

    The only thing I would comment on Mountainviking's post is if the Texans do not take Clowney at #1, they will trade down and someone else will take him there.but, if say the raiders trade up for Clowney, then the Texans can still take Robinson, which means the top 8 picks MV thinks could go are still relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainviking View Post
    Mountain Viking’s Mock Draft 2014

    1. HOU Greg Robinson, OT Houston was 2nd worst in the league last year in QB hits allowed. No QB can succeed without some protection and they should know that better than anyone from Carr 1.0 absorbing over 70 sacks a season. Secondly, none of the QBs are worthy of the first overall pick and Robinson’s combination of strength, size and speed is.

    2. STL Jake Mathews, OT The big guys who are also athletes are rare and STL has a need and knows the kid. After HOU goes OT, it kind of forces their hand a bit to not gamble on landing too good of a fit.

    3. JAX Blake Bortles, QB They’ve signed a bunch of defense and traded away Gabbert. Selecting a semi-local kid is probably good for fan morale and ticket sales.

    4. CLE Sammy Watkins, WR The Defense is actually pretty solid, offense is where they need help at OG, RB, QB, and WR, but the first 2 can be had later, the third would be a bit of a gamble, and with all the upheaval in Cleveland recently, they kind of need to make a “safe” and “smart” pick, and Sammy provides that here.

    5. OAK Clowney, DE I was thinking they should go OT too, but they did pay a bunch of money to Penn and Howard after drafting Watson in the 2nd round last year. The two DL guys they signed are even older. Even Al Davis would love this superfreak pick and you know that Clowney fits well in an AFC West Defense that has to face Peyton, Philip and Reid’s Chiefs twice a year each.

    6. ATL Anthony Barr, OLB They already signed the big DL guys to move to a 3-4, so they probably want Barr/Mack more than Clowney anyway. Again, they desperately need to protect Matt Ryan better too, but Lewan’s pending trial backs them off on that angle, and may drop him down to where they could move their 2nd round pick up for him. Barr is probably the best pure pass rusher in the draft, especially if slotted outside in a 3-4 and would be a great fit, especially if the offense can get healthy and give him a lead to work with.

    7. TB Kahlil Mack The Bucs offense was terrible last year. Near the bottom in yards and points, both rushing and passing. But, they do get Doug Martin and Carl Nicks back from injury and signed other OL upgrades and have a decent 1-2 at WR. They restocked most of the defense. The biggest hole looks to be QB, but my guess is that Lovie prefers more of a ball control offense to balance out his rebuilt defense anyway, and really? Are any of the QBs available here really that much better than McCown was last year? Glennon is still young and may improve too. Mack gives Lovie a Singletary/Urlacher type of defender, though as a sleeper, pairing Mike Evans with Vincent Jackson would give him the large dynamic duo he may have pictured when he drafted Alshon Jeffrey with the Bears…I could also see them adding a legit CB to start opposite Verner. But the drop off at those positions isn’t nearly what it would be at LB so I’m rolling with Mack for now.

    8. MIN Oh what to do here, eh!? Bridgewater and Manziel both on the board with Mike Evans, Mosley and both of the top Corners...seems we could move back and still land a great pick.

    BUF and DET could both be looking at a big WR like Evans. They could also both be looking at the last top notch LT prospect too. The next two picks, TEN and NYG could also use OL and WR help. As I've mentioned above, Lewan might not even make it to 8 with OAK, ATL and TB all potentially wanting an OL upgrade as well. His size, 6'7" and tenacity make him a great LT prospect worthy of top ten selection. Meanwhile, seems the only team looking for a QB between 10 and 20 would be the Titans at 11 and they also have a plethora of other needs. But, in the race to land the last best OL guy don't forget the Dolphins who are pretty much starting over all along their offensive front due to the bullying report. That move might cost them their 2 and 3, but with our 4 going back to them as change...and "reaching" for a QB with potential at 19 doesn't sound nearly as bad as it does at 8 (or 12.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by tarkenton10 View Post
    The only fly in the ointment is that if we move back to nineteen and someone else covets our QB who's to say they don't jump in front of us and take our QB from us.
    Well, if we're sure of which one we want, I guess we take him at 8...my idea is that we're not that sure that any of them are all that much better than the next, so maybe, we focus more on improving the team as a whole, and take a wait and see approach on the QB position...
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