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    Simply put ...

    Johnny Manziel would bring a swagger that the Vikings need. And I think he has a wow factor that you absolutely cannot deny if you watch him play with any regularity. McCarron is the next Ken Dorsey, Colt McCoy ... Christian Ponder. Someone who "gets it," but simply does not "have it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by drewlovs View Post
    Manziel has horrible foot work, which means there is even more up-side to him. What I like about him, though, is his ability to get everyone to buy in to his leadership despite what many people call immaturity.

    Never underestimate leadership when considering QBs. Tebow is/was not a great throwing QB, but he inspired a lack-luster team into doing some great things. You can say anyone with more ability could have done better, but the fact is, there WERE people with more ability who could not. Tebow was successful in Denver because he is a great leader, first and foremost.
    No, Tebow only did anything in denver because he had a great defense and no other problems on offense. Against a real team, they got lit up.
    Manziel has that same sort of inspirational play that gets a team to play at or above their ability level. I will not hate on the vikings for picking a bust; I just want them to keep trying, and not sit on a bust for 2-3 years "developing" that bust.
    Manziel brings as much hype and non-talent as Tebow.

    Johnny Manziel Heisman Highlight Video Part 1 - YouTube

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    he stands FOREVER in the pocket, not finding a receiver, then makes many people miss while running. That simply wont work in the NFL. Add in his tendency to throw balls up for grabs for Evans to bail him out, and we'll see a LOT of turnovers at the next level. He'll take alot of hits, he'll get hurt. He's a slightly more talented Ponder, with all the same issues.

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    Really doesn't matter who we bring in until we get a new coaching staff. If Frazier and company are still here next season, any QB who is brought in will fail. Our coaching staff simply isn't intelligent enough to groom a viable starter in the NFL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    Simply put ...

    Johnny Manziel would bring a swagger that the Vikings need. And I think he has a wow factor that you absolutely cannot deny if you watch him play with any regularity. McCarron is the next Ken Dorsey, Colt McCoy ... Christian Ponder. Someone who "gets it," but simply does not "have it."
    Based on what? McCarron is a much better qb than any you listed. This kid will succeed in the NFL. He doesn't have the stats because he doesn't have to throw for 300+ yards a game. Besides, the kid has got as many championship rings as he does losses. Handle pressure? Try being qb at 'Bama for pressure. You lose one game and they go crazy down there. This kid has it and I think he's the dark horse of the qbs in the draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mac D View Post
    Really doesn't matter who we bring in until we get a new coaching staff. If Frazier and company are still here next season, any QB who is brought in will fail. Our coaching staff simply isn't intelligent enough to groom a viable starter in the NFL.
    If they keep Frazier, he will keep Ponder, and I shall be a fan no longer. Not sure why I still am now. Guess the Vikings are a lot like a bad habit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smegmavike View Post
    If they keep Frazier, he will keep Ponder, and I shall be a fan no longer. Not sure why I still am now. Guess the Vikings are a lot like a bad habit.
    Everybody knows that cheering for the Vikings is bad for your health, but some people just can't quit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_bleed_purple View Post
    No, Tebow only did anything in denver because he had a great defense and no other problems on offense. Against a real team, they got lit up.


    Manziel brings as much hype and non-talent as Tebow.

    Johnny Manziel Heisman Highlight Video Part 1 - YouTube

    watch his highlight videos.

    he stands FOREVER in the pocket, not finding a receiver, then makes many people miss while running. That simply wont work in the NFL. Add in his tendency to throw balls up for grabs for Evans to bail him out, and we'll see a LOT of turnovers at the next level. He'll take alot of hits, he'll get hurt. He's a slightly more talented Ponder, with all the same issues.
    Drafting a QB is a big crap shoot no matter WHO we are talking about. Doubts about RGIII are rising (though I personally think he is going to be fine), and for every "sure thing" QB that has done well, there are 2 that became jokes. Being a good college QB doesn't necessarily translate into being a good QB in the NFL, no matter what their highlight reel suggests.

    All this being said, how can you be so sure of anything in regards to Manziel? He DOES inspire he teammates; he DOES have a never quit attitude, and has the ability to let bad decisions remain safely in the past.

    All I'm saying is it would not surprise me that Manziel is a bust, but I think it would SHOCK you if he became a great NFL QB. I can't see how you can be that sure of your position.
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    I'm less worried about Manziel's off field antics than his size combined with his style of play. I think his high end is very Mike Vick, sure, he'll make some awesome plays and play some great games, but, he's also very likely to be injured often.

    I know, all eyes are on them and they are expected to be a good role model, but I feel like 20 year old kids should drink and celebrate life a little...make some bad decisions, and hopefully, learn some lessons.

    Leadership is one seriously lacking thing on this year's Vikings. Ponder sometimes prefers to pout by himself, the old leaders on defense are unsure about their futures, and the HC is a bit tooo cool and steady. Peterson is mostly a quiet leader anyway, but has been playing dinged up and had horrible off-field distractions. I think we definitely need our next QB to have some fire, some serious attitude.

    Of course, the low end on all QBs is that random chance that they can't handle the pressure mentally and they end up blowing up on and off field like a Leaf or just enjoying their money too much like Jamarcus Russell.
    Control the line, control the time, and give your D a chance to shine!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smegmavike View Post
    If they keep Frazier, he will keep Ponder, and I shall be a fan no longer. Not sure why I still am now. Guess the Vikings are a lot like a bad habit.
    Have no fear smegma. The coaching staff will be replaced and the misery that comes with being a Viking fan will continue throughout your life as it has with all of us.
    Why must you defend everything this FO does....to the point of making your self look like a yes man.

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    Anybody see Johnny boy's game Saturday against LSU? I realize it's only one game but there you go. 16-41with 2 INTs is a bad game no matter how you slice it. Additionally, I saw a qb very uncomfortable in the pocket who tended to throw high if he was under pressure and who was too willing to pull it down and run. Mariota was uninspiring as well. Mettenberg looked pretty good and made some decent throws. Can't say much about the other guys who were in scrimmage games.

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