11-20-2013, 11:32 AM #21
Couple of quotes on McCarron that sound like things we've been missing under center for quite some time:
In fact, McCarron handled the blitz effectively all night by completing 9 of 13 passes with three touchdowns against five or more rushers. This has been one of the strengths of his game, with 13 of his 19 touchdown passes this season coming against the blitz.
Of course, passing-game enthusiasts fail to appreciate McCarron's contributions to the running game, but savvy offensive coordinators will respect his ability to read defensive fronts and make the appropriate run/pass checks based on the look. With most NFL offenses built around the quarterback making the adjustments at the line, McCarron's experience and effectiveness in a pro-style scheme will make him better prepared for the pro game than some of his counterparts.Control the line, control the time, and give your D a chance to shine!!
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11-20-2013, 12:22 PM #22
I've been looking closer at McCarron and he could be the type of guy we need. And please, get of the freakin' Johnny effin' Football wagon, whoever is on it. Don't need the headaches that WILL come with this guy. Or his munchkin-like stature. McCarron is a healthy 6-4, 215. McCarron doesn't get the press because he doesn't throw 40 times a game.
11-20-2013, 12:40 PM #23
There are a ton of posters around here talking about how bad the upcoming QB class is, but most draft experts seem to think this is one of the better QB classes in years ... maybe the third best since 2004 (Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger) and 2012 (Luck, Griffin, Wilson).
I think there is a ton of potential and chances are there are going to be two or three REALLY good QBs in this draft, it is a matter of hitting on one of them. There is definitely some luck involved, no doubt about it ... but good scouts can often make their own luck.
I personally would have no problem with Bridgewater, Hundley, Mariotta, Manziel, Boyd, Carr or Mettenberger. There are plenty of scouts and draftnicks that think these guys are starter material, so at least it is us trying to find the right one.
Personally, I love Tajh Boyd every single time I see him play. He simply makes fantastic throws deep and knows when to trust his receivers. He has some footwork issues that could likely be worked out ... and that could make him solid with the underneath game.
I just want to see us do something. It is clear that no matter how good our other players are, without a capable QB we are going nowhere. We had Favre for one year and it almost got us the golden goose ... but we have had garbage before and after and we have wasted superb talents like Kevin Williams, Antoine Winfield, Jared Allen, E.J. Henderson and Percy Harvin. All of whom are already used up ... or no longer Vikings. We are getting dangerously close to wasting one of the greatest running backs to ever lace them up.
We need to take a shot on one of these guys and hope that 2015 is our year. I just hope we nail down the right one.
11-20-2013, 01:08 PM #24
Purely based on talent, I'd much rather have Manziel, have you watched his games? Incredible talent. Can't believe you would rather pass on a sublime talent to take a mediocre arm based on his physical size... haven't you learned anything being a Vikings fan?Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.
11-20-2013, 01:59 PM #25
Been many a bust quarterback who had great talent. Much of being a successful NFL qb is between the ears. Based on that I'd take McCarron (and my high opinion of him is based on much more that his size- read the scouting reports) over the immature and hotheaded Manziel. I had to look up sublime and none of the definitions brought Johnny boy to mind- except the intransitive verb def that mentioned something about a solid changing into a vapor state which would describe Johnny's NFL career.
11-20-2013, 02:30 PM #26
1.of such excellence, grandeur, or beauty as to inspire great admiration or awe.
If you watched his games and see him evade the pass rush, then place the ball on a dime... you'd understand. However, it seems you want to hate him for stuff unrelated to football. Maybe there's some merit to that, but he's 20. He's a kid. I'll go off his talent on the field, thank you.
And you seem to forget that McCarron is surrounded by the biggest and best players in college football. Remember Ken Dorsey? or Craig Krensel? Both fit the same mold as McCarron... and none could carry a team the way Manziel does. They're simply game managers, but not at the NFL level.
Actually, your opinion sort of reminds me of this article written about Cam Newton back in 2011.... are you Jim Folsom? Cam Newton: Why Carolina Panthers' New QB Is the Worst NFL Draft Pick Ever | Bleacher Report
Last edited by C Mac D; 11-20-2013 at 02:34 PM.Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.
11-20-2013, 03:03 PM #27
C, you sure have some mancrush on Johnny. Your McCarron comments are a rehash of the usual criticism against him. He can't help he plays on a great team and he sure ain't holding them back. I'd say he was recruited to Alabama for good reason. I believe character plays a huge part of making a successful NFL qb and teammate, and Johnny loses badly here. If you base the decision on who is drafted at qb on talent alone you're in for a nasty surprise- many elements make an NFL qb. Johnny is the next Jeff George. And I told you I looked up the word sublime. It just didn't remind me of any Johnny attributes. I'll watch ol' Johnny against a little better competition the next couple weeks (LSU and Mizz) and maybe I'll change my mind, but I doubt it. I don't hate Johnny, I just don't like him as a person or a future qb for the Vikings. Never heard of Jim Floatsom or whatever, but for the record I thought Newton would make a good NFL qb given his size and altheticism- both superior to your boy Johnny.
11-20-2013, 03:39 PM #28Ring of Fame
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I do think it depends on the coaching staff... but I prefer to go with the safer pick and go with Teddy B. The other guys could also be successful, and may turn out to be great... it's a crap shoot...
But i think teddy is the best Qb in the draft...
11-20-2013, 03:54 PM #29Training Camp
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At this point, I tired of fucking around at the QB position. I say, we say 'hell with it' and draft two QBs. That way we are more apt to find the guy that can lead this team for the foreseeable future and we can end this turnstile bullshit at the position.
Lets put our eggs in two baskets instead of one and make sure we find one so we don't have another Ponder situation where we whiff.
11-20-2013, 05:58 PM #30
Manziel has horrible foot work, which means there is even more up-side to him. What I like about him, though, is his ability to get everyone to buy in to his leadership despite what many people call immaturity.
Never underestimate leadership when considering QBs. Tebow is/was not a great throwing QB, but he inspired a lack-luster team into doing some great things. You can say anyone with more ability could have done better, but the fact is, there WERE people with more ability who could not. Tebow was successful in Denver because he is a great leader, first and foremost.
Manziel has that same sort of inspirational play that gets a team to play at or above their ability level. I will not hate on the vikings for picking a bust; I just want them to keep trying, and not sit on a bust for 2-3 years "developing" that bust.Men are moved by two levers only: fear and self interest.