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    Re: Daunte"looking forward to going back to Minnesota"

    Actually, how about yards per catch?

    I see more twisting of the statistics here.

    Comparing the rushing yards is giving a big advantage to AP.

    Brown and Foreman played in an offense that relied a lot on short swing passes to the backs.

    And we all know AP is not real good at catching the ball.

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    Re: Daunte"looking forward to going back to Minnesota"

    Quote Originally Posted by "Infidel" #1084088
    Actually, how about yards per catch?

    I see more twisting of the statistics here.

    Comparing the rushing yards is giving a big advantage to AP.

    Brown and Foreman played in an offense that relied a lot on short swing passes to the backs.

    And we all know AP is not real good at catching the ball.

    Best all-time Average per reception as a Viking out of the Vikings top 10 all-time rushers:
    #96: Bill Brown 11.2
    #97: Tommy Mason 11.2
    #112: Adrian Peterson 10.0
    #134: Chuck Foreman 9.1
    #144: Darrin Nelson 8.8
    #152: Chester Taylor 8.5
    #154: Ted Brown 8.4
    #157: Michael Bennett 8.3
    #162: Dave Osborn 8.2
    #179: Robert Smith 7.3

    So AP is #2 all-time in ypc, behind The Whizzinator and Memo,
    He's #4 all-time in yards, in less than 4 years
    he's #2 all-time in rushing TD's, in less than 4 years
    he's got the 10th longest play from scrimmage in Vikings history (Berrian is #1, Chester Taylor is #2)

    What more do you want?

    However, it appears you want receiving stats included, so here's one. Average receiving yards per game.

    #31 Chuck Foreman 32.9
    #41 Ted Brown 27.4
    #49 Tommy Mason 24.1
    #54 Chester Taylor 22.2
    #62 Adrian Peterson 19.7

    So he still ranks in the top 5 of our best starting backs in average receiving yardage per game.

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    Re: Daunte"looking forward to going back to Minnesota"

    And that's his best stat?

    Not impressive.

    How many games did they play?

    How many games has he played?

    How many passes has he caught?

    How many passes did they catch?

    Of course his average would be very high because he's caught far fewer passes and played far fewer games.

    You're comparing his few BEST years in his prime with the many years of players with long careers who would naturally have less productive years as they got older.

    In addition, those other players had to block well....both passing and running.

    AP will probably turn out to be one of the greats if he stays healthy.

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    Re: Daunte"looking forward to going back to Minnesota"

    Quote Originally Posted by "vikinggreg" #1084015
    Vikings bringing back Daunte Culpepper, sort of

    “I was pleasantly surprised when I listened to a voicemail message from the Vikings inviting me in for a visit to Minnesota,” Culpepper told us via e-mail. “I have to admit, I have been waiting for this call from the Vikings! I am honored to be selected as one of the 50 greatest Viking players. I am looking forward to going back to Minnesota for the celebration this coming weekend and the game next Monday Night (wherever it is played).”

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    Might as well suit DC up for the game. He can't be any worse than Ramsey

    Seriously, he is in town.

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    Re: Daunte"looking forward to going back to Minnesota"

    Quote Originally Posted by "snowinapril" #1084120
    Quote Originally Posted by "vikinggreg" #1084015
    Vikings bringing back Daunte Culpepper, sort of

    “I was pleasantly surprised when I listened to a voicemail message from the Vikings inviting me in for a visit to Minnesota,” Culpepper told us via e-mail. “I have to admit, I have been waiting for this call from the Vikings! I am honored to be selected as one of the 50 greatest Viking players. I am looking forward to going back to Minnesota for the celebration this coming weekend and the game next Monday Night (wherever it is played).”

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    Might as well suit DC up for the game. He can't be any worse than Ramsey

    Seriously, he is in town.
    How about just having a lottery and letting some fan QB for a couple series. All they have to be able to do is scramble around and do a 4 yd dump to Kleinsasser. Would at least be something entertaining to watch, plus, you could just pay him with a 12-pack of cheap beer. Win-Win.
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    Re: Daunte"looking forward to going back to Minnesota"

    Quote Originally Posted by "Prophet" #1084129
    Quote Originally Posted by "snowinapril" #1084120
    Quote Originally Posted by "vikinggreg" #1084015
    Vikings bringing back Daunte Culpepper, sort of

    “I was pleasantly surprised when I listened to a voicemail message from the Vikings inviting me in for a visit to Minnesota,” Culpepper told us via e-mail. “I have to admit, I have been waiting for this call from the Vikings! I am honored to be selected as one of the 50 greatest Viking players. I am looking forward to going back to Minnesota for the celebration this coming weekend and the game next Monday Night (wherever it is played).”

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    Might as well suit DC up for the game. He can't be any worse than Ramsey

    Seriously, he is in town.
    How about just having a lottery and letting some fan QB for a couple series. All they have to be able to do is scramble around and do a 4 yd dump to Kleinsasser. Would at least be something entertaining to watch, plus, you could just pay him with a 12-pack of cheap beer. Win-Win.
    I'll demand much more than a 12-pack of cheap beer. Just pay my bills and get me a new SUV. I'll play QB until my neck breaks. Or until I get boo'd off the field. Whichever happens first.
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    Re: Daunte"looking forward to going back to Minnesota"

    Getting booed doesn't necessarily get you taken out of the game in Minnesota any more...LOL

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    Re: Daunte"looking forward to going back to Minnesota"

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1084025
    Quote Originally Posted by "Infidel" #1084024
    Like I said, he got hurt running too much.
    He didn't get hurt until halfway through that season. He sucked for that entire season.
    Our OL sucked that season, even worse than it does now. Birk was out for the season & they tried 4-5 alternatives at center & didn't get it half-ass working right until mid-way thru the season. They were constantly switching guards & tackles around also.

    It was in a state of constant change for half the season or more.

    The biggest factors: Losing Birk to surgery for the entire season & the retirement of David Dixon.

    Quite frankly, our OL has never been the same since Stringer died. Sad, but true.

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    Re: Daunte"looking forward to going back to Minnesota"

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1084152
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1084025
    Quote Originally Posted by "Infidel" #1084024
    Like I said, he got hurt running too much.
    He didn't get hurt until halfway through that season. He sucked for that entire season.
    Our OL sucked that season, even worse than it does now. Birk was out for the season & they tried 4-5 alternatives at center & didn't get it half-ass working right until mid-way thru the season. They were constantly switching guards & tackles around also.

    It was in a state of constant change for half the season or more.

    The biggest factors: Losing Birk to surgery for the entire season & the retirement of David Dixon.

    Quite frankly, our OL has never been the same since Stringer died. Sad, but true.
    and as much as many won't admit it I think that not having Mike Tice coaching the OL made a huge difference as well.
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    Re: Daunte"looking forward to going back to Minnesota"

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1084152
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1084025
    Quote Originally Posted by "Infidel" #1084024
    Like I said, he got hurt running too much.
    He didn't get hurt until halfway through that season. He sucked for that entire season.
    Our OL sucked that season, even worse than it does now. Birk was out for the season & they tried 4-5 alternatives at center & didn't get it half-ass working right until mid-way thru the season. They were constantly switching guards & tackles around also.

    It was in a state of constant change for half the season or more.

    The biggest factors: Losing Birk to surgery for the entire season & the retirement of David Dixon.

    Quite frankly, our OL has never been the same since Stringer died. Sad, but true.
    That line took Culpepper, who frankly looked like he could be heading for a monster career, and turned him into a below average QB.

    No QB is talented enough to overcome lousy protection for long. Rodgers has done pretty well in Green Bay, but he has taken a pounding.

    The Vikings can have success grooming a young QB, only if they fix the line, along with the blocking of the tight ends and backs.

    The one place Childress was right, 'It all starts up front'.

    Good post Singer.
    “What takes a quarterback to the next level is not arm strength or mobility or any of that stuff. It’s the ability to play on critical downs. Manage third downs, or red zones or four-minute or two-minute situations"
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