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    Re:The curious case of Bernard Berrian

    Everyone who watched this season knows that Berrian's hands were not that good, but of course that was a knock on him in Chicago as well, so not that big of a deal.

    Three technical drops and probably a handful of "should of caughts."

    He was also noticeably dinged up for much of the season. It seemed that he started to really get on the same page as Favre late in the year and I would love to seem them get one more year to work together.

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    Re:The curious case of Bernard Berrian

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    The curious case of Bernard Berrian
    LOL, no one wants to hear why I think his yards per AVG dropped, now do they....... :laugh:
    I think his regression was quite obvious to a lot of people. His speed was different as well as his difficulty in catchng the football. They don't mention that in this article. He had a few drops.

    Berrian has proven he could be productive. This wasn't a good year for him but it wasn't bad either. Just not what we expected of him.

    Hopefully he comes back 100% and doesn't re-injure his hammy again. Seems to be his forte as it happened in 2008 too.
    Hmmmm, tied for 63rd with 3 dropped passes. That doesn't seem like to many to me.

    Pro Football Focus Stats (Dropped Passes)
    I question that statistic my friend. Maybe that is what this site credited him for but memory serves me a little differently. Hell, I think he dropped 3 in one game for goodness sake.

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    Re:The curious case of Bernard Berrian

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    Marrdro wrote:
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    The curious case of Bernard Berrian
    LOL, no one wants to hear why I think his yards per AVG dropped, now do they....... :laugh:
    I think his regression was quite obvious to a lot of people. His speed was different as well as his difficulty in catchng the football. They don't mention that in this article. He had a few drops.

    Berrian has proven he could be productive. This wasn't a good year for him but it wasn't bad either. Just not what we expected of him.

    Hopefully he comes back 100% and doesn't re-injure his hammy again. Seems to be his forte as it happened in 2008 too.
    Hmmmm, tied for 63rd with 3 dropped passes. That doesn't seem like to many to me.

    Pro Football Focus Stats (Dropped Passes)
    I know he had more than 3 drops. I don't care what that site says. I'm not a Berrian hater or anything.
    Good. I thought I was the only one that noticed it.

    I like Berrian. He's a nice threat as a WR but 3 drops in 2009? I have to question that.

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    Re:The curious case of Bernard Berrian

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    He also had one pass for 99 yards last season... that will distort the YPC a bit.
    Yes Sir it would!

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    Re:The curious case of Bernard Berrian

    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    ejmat wrote:
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    The curious case of Bernard Berrian
    LOL, no one wants to hear why I think his yards per AVG dropped, now do they....... :laugh:
    I think his regression was quite obvious to a lot of people. His speed was different as well as his difficulty in catchng the football. They don't mention that in this article. He had a few drops.

    Berrian has proven he could be productive. This wasn't a good year for him but it wasn't bad either. Just not what we expected of him.

    Hopefully he comes back 100% and doesn't re-injure his hammy again. Seems to be his forte as it happened in 2008 too.
    Hmmmm, tied for 63rd with 3 dropped passes. That doesn't seem like to many to me.

    Pro Football Focus Stats (Dropped Passes)
    then that stat is not right. I know he had at least three drops in one game, can't remember which one, but it was a bad game for him. he tipped up Favre's interception, which would be a drop. Its gotta be at least 4.


    However, there is no curious case.

    Berrian
    a) was injured all preseason, so he never got in a groove with Favre like the other guys did. When he came back, they were out of sync, and he wasn't used to catching Favre's passes. Later on, when they were more comfortable with each other, they did fairly well. He was making nice catches and good gains.

    b) he's being used differently. Last year he went deep, or took a short pass the distance. This season he was used as a posession guy, which he is not. I saw him in there on fade routes in the endzone, hooks, outs, etc. Things he doesn't excel at.

    Its not like he's a bad receiver, he had an off year. It happens. I'm not worried at all.
    I often wonder about stat pages like this with respect to what do they call a dropped pass vs what fans call a dropped pass.

    For me, I will go with the stat guy over what fans think, as in most cases, the fans will call a dropped pass if it even gets close to his hands.

    As with you, I'm not worried either. Injuries slowed El Syd, he came back like gangbusters this year. Same same with BB. Get him back healthy and he will be back as a viable asset again.
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    Re:The curious case of Bernard Berrian

    ejmat wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    ejmat wrote:
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    The curious case of Bernard Berrian
    LOL, no one wants to hear why I think his yards per AVG dropped, now do they....... :laugh:
    I think his regression was quite obvious to a lot of people. His speed was different as well as his difficulty in catchng the football. They don't mention that in this article. He had a few drops.

    Berrian has proven he could be productive. This wasn't a good year for him but it wasn't bad either. Just not what we expected of him.

    Hopefully he comes back 100% and doesn't re-injure his hammy again. Seems to be his forte as it happened in 2008 too.
    Hmmmm, tied for 63rd with 3 dropped passes. That doesn't seem like to many to me.

    Pro Football Focus Stats (Dropped Passes)
    I question that statistic my friend. Maybe that is what this site credited him for but memory serves me a little differently. Hell, I think he dropped 3 in one game for goodness sake.
    Again, I go with the guys who have access to the tapes, know what was going on (throw to hard, throw behind the reciever, reciever looking for the ball someplace else) vs a fan who probably only got to see the play from the instant the ball got within the recievers bubble.

    Just a question, did you read the caveats they have on this page? If you think its more, give them a quick shout, they will give you the analysis of the data.
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    Re:The curious case of Bernard Berrian

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    Interesting read, thanks. I don't think Berrian is so bad, just never thought he was even close to a #1 receiver, which is what I believe they thought he would be (paying that much for him).

    That hammy injury hurt him badly...those things have a way of lasting much longer than you might think. If I recall, he was one of the most vocal in trying to get Favre here. Without the injury to slow him down, I'm sure we would have seen more "go routes" to him this past season.
    You know my stance on this, .......

    This scheme doesn't use a traditional #1, #2, #3 kindof guy. BB was brought in as a piece to the puzzle with respect to what the staff wanted to do with packages. When he is healthy, he is a good piece, as we saw when Gus/TJ were throwing him the ball.

    When his hammie is healthy we will see that again.
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    Re:The curious case of Bernard Berrian

    BB was the MAN in the NFCC... if he can play with that kind of heart next year I think he'll be a much bigger part of our offense. I think his injury slowing him and his resistance to take a hit (face it, he's a bit of a pussy) kept him from being targeted.

    What we all have to remember though is there's only 1 football. Favre threw for over 4,000 yards... how many more yards do we expect out of him? If BB gets 1,000 yards are we going to say Shiancoe or Rice or Harvin had down years because their stats decreased?
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    Re:The curious case of Bernard Berrian

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    When his hammie is healthy we will see that again.[/quote]

    I think that was a huge factor during the season. He may not be an outstanding receiver compared to some in the league but it was clear that he wasn't playing to the same level as the year before. Don't think we can blame the QB for this as the positioned had been upgraded with a slightly better retread than in recent years ( said tongue in cheek before the Favre lovers swarm all over my butt ) - and the other WRs linked up ok.
    Guess as well when the likes of Rice and Harvin are being favoured due to their production, matchups etc then BB wasn't going to get so many balls thrown his way.
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    Re:The curious case of Bernard Berrian

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    BB was the MAN in the NFCC... if he can play with that kind of heart next year I think he'll be a much bigger part of our offense. I think his injury slowing him and his resistance to take a hit (face it, he's a bit of a pussy) kept him from being targeted.

    What we all have to remember though is there's only 1 football. Favre threw for over 4,000 yards... how many more yards do we expect out of him? If BB gets 1,000 yards are we going to say Shiancoe or Rice or Harvin had down years because their stats decreased?
    If he lives up to his "God" status, I expect 5,000 my friend.
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