Thread: Constructive Critisicm from the Atlanta Game

1.Our offensive mid range and deep passes are a problem , running on and on you generally dont gain too much yardage,then no Red zone,then no good field position,then no TD in a "normal"Drive.
2. The lack of experience in our Qb and WR corps,I wanna see Tarvaris in a deficit score for us ......
3 and most important of all,its a pity but all the Teams are not the Falcons....

constructive criticism:

TJ - a bunch of his passes were off the mark, long ones, and short ones.
strong arm but where's the accuracy?
I hope that gets better.

We finally scored a receiving TD with our 1st team!
However, we never made it within 10 yards of the redzone -- yikes!
This leads me to believe that this year is going to be a lot like last year.
Stalled drives and kicked FG's.


AP looks to be great and if CT comes back, they will be the only shining points in the offense and games will be decided by how well they run and how many TO's our Defense can get.

Atlanta did not respect our WR's and for good reason.
I have to say, Sydney Rice is going to just get better and better.
But he needs to know where is on the field.

Atlanta's offense is bad and our Defense is good.
Next week will be a good test for our defense as the Lions will throw and throw.
I am looking forward to seeing how that plays out.


Our offense is still lousy.
Sorry to say.
We made only slight improvements and TJ isn't one of them...not yet I'll add.

PA

"snowinapril" wrote:

Points of discussion:

Leber's 15 yd penalty
Norwood's long gains
TJ's long ball overthrown
TJ's tipped passes
Birk's bad snap
ATL's 64 rush yards by halftime
Great field position in the first half and no Offensive scores for us
TJ's over the shoulder throw OB to avoid sack
Our D gave up the deep comeback route all day
Joey was 23 for 32 (71% completion rate) even with 2 INTs that is way too much passing for a mediocre QB

Vikes had no Red Zone Offense ---- WTF, we couldn't even get into the red zone.

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I realize that since TJ is the Viking that touches the ball the most, it is easiest to pick on him.
So I will.

He needs to be more accurate.
He threw a screen pass at CT's feet, which led to 3rd and long.
His long ball was over thrown so Twill didn't have a chance.
TJ had 2 passes tipped, one was intercepted, both were tipped by our guys because the ball was thrown in way that made it difficult for the recipient to adjust.
He also had a ball that should have been an INT which was dropped by Harris (?) which could have been returned if he would have held on.
TJ also misplaced that ball to Rice on the sideline which would have been another long gain.


To be constructive, all I can say, is he can do better.
He needs to work on the touch.
I think that some of it might be nerves and experience.
Knowing when to put touch on it instead of zipping it will help a lot.
The game needs to slow down for him a bit more.

No RED ZONE offense today is a definite concern.
We need to get there or it will be a long season.
It totally says our Offense is lacking.
We did put together
4 substantial drives.
I did not include AP's TD drive which was more of a fluke in terms of a drive.
The closest we got was the 30 once and the 40 twice and the 45 once.
In the first half, the average starting field position was the 31 yard line.
It was great to have those 4 drives, but we fizzled out when it mattered.
A few more yards on those two drives to the 40 and we get a FG attempt.
Some more concentration is necessary to get at least 3 pts on those drives.


I will just throw in a judo to TW.
He played a good game today.
I have been hard on the guy and he deserve some props today.
That one throw to Wade was due to the fact he opened that spot on the field by taking his guys on a fly route.

I forgot to add the drive chart link for this post.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/drivechart?game_id=29201&displayPage=tab_drive_cha rt&season=2007&week=REG1

"PAvikesfan" wrote:

constructive criticism:

TJ - a bunch of his passes were off the mark, long ones, and short ones.
strong arm but where's the accuracy?
I hope that gets better.

We finally scored a receiving TD with our 1st team!
However, we never made it within 10 yards of the redzone -- yikes!
This leads me to believe that this year is going to be a lot like last year.
Stalled drives and kicked FG's.


AP looks to be great and if CT comes back, they will be the only shining points in the offense and games will be decided by how well they run and how many TO's our Defense can get.

Atlanta did not respect our WR's and for good reason.
I have to say, Sydney Rice is going to just get better and better.
But he needs to know where is on the field.

Atlanta's offense is bad and our Defense is good.
Next week will be a good test for our defense as the Lions will throw and throw.
I am looking forward to seeing how that plays out.


Our offense is still lousy.
Sorry to say.
We made only slight improvements and TJ isn't one of them...not yet I'll add.

PA

Good point about Rice's awareness.
He cut that 3rd down reception short of the sticks and I can't blame him for the TJ throw that led him out of bounds on the sideline pass.
They did respect TW's ability to get down field after he beat them down field but couldn't catch up with the overthrown pass.
The second time they sent him, Wade came all the way across the field to find the open area that TW got all the defenders to vacate while they followed him down field.

Two things about the above comments.


We are not going to see a lot of passes over 20 yrds.
This is a WC offense.
We used to have a vertical offense but no more.
This is a make 10 yrds in 3 plays offense and occasionally throw it down field just to keep them honest.
Get over it.

Our D played great.
They held the Falcons to 0 touch downs and 265 total net yards.
It doesn't get much better than that.
I think I heard at the end of the game that Fox picked our D as the defensive team of the week.


There is always room for improvement but for our first game I think we played better than was expected.
I expect that the same will be true next week against the Lions.

"NodakPaul" wrote:

OK, we all loved the Vikings game last Sunday.
6 sacks, 2 pick 6's, AD taking it to the house...
But there is always room for improvement.
I am starting this thread to discuss those.

I'll start.
Try as I may, I can only find one real complaint from yesterday's game.
Two of the passes TJack threw could have/should have been easy picks.
One was off target, and one was flat.
His decision making is sound, but he needs to tighten in those passes a little bit or when we play Chicago, it will be a very different story.

2 passes he threw should also have gone for tds/long gains.
The first was the pass to willliamson who had a step down the left sideline.The ball was overthrown by about 3 yards....
The second was the pass to sydney rice who was wide open but the ball was thrown to the wrong shoulder and rice couldnt get both feet in.Im going to let this on slip though because i think T-Jack Was just tooo exicted because Rice was SOOO WIDE OPEN.But he needs to calm down and make that throw for an easy 30 yards next time

"howln4u" wrote:

Tjack looked pretty good but like you said, better touch on the ball on some passes and a couple bad decisions (basically a rookie so he will learn).

Running game. There were some running plays stopped behind the line of scrimmage. Wouldnt be that big but it was to the left with a FB. With all that money and talent that shouldnt happen.

Kicking. Nothing to complain about and Longwell actually had some to the endzone.

Defense. 3 and long. We were giving way to much cushion to some. Also how can you let Crumpler go 7 yards down the field un covered (he is their most reliable receiver).

Coaching. Grow a set and go for it on 4th and 1 from their 40. Go deep a couple more times to stretch the Def out a bit to open the run. Complete or not make them worry.

Good analysis.
I would like to see them throw it long a couple more times a game also.
If we can throw the ball down field some more, they will be hesitant to put 8 in the box.

"vike_mike" wrote:

"howln4u" wrote:

Tjack looked pretty good but like you said, better touch on the ball on some passes and a couple bad decisions (basically a rookie so he will learn).

Running game. There were some running plays stopped behind the line of scrimmage. Wouldnt be that big but it was to the left with a FB. With all that money and talent that shouldnt happen.

Kicking. Nothing to complain about and Longwell actually had some to the endzone.

Defense. 3 and long. We were giving way to much cushion to some. Also how can you let Crumpler go 7 yards down the field un covered (he is their most reliable receiver).

Coaching. Grow a set and go for it on 4th and 1 from their 40. Go deep a couple more times to stretch the Def out a bit to open the run. Complete or not make them worry.

Good analysis.
I would like to see them throw it long a couple more times a game also.
If we can throw the ball down field some more, they will be hesitant to put 8 in the box.

We had 140 yards rushing WITH 8 in the box...imagine once we spread out the field more!!!

I would rather BChill bring along TJack as slowly as he has to before opening the offense up TOO much TOO soon though...every mistake has the potential of costing us MUCH more than the gamble will gain us.
There IS a reason that INTs count so badly against QBs in their WB rating scores.
I think that we will see more long passes as each week goes by...and the offense will put up bigger numbers as a result.

We need to get into the red zone. Didnt get inside the 20 once, would of if Rice came down with that pass that went out of bounds. But still we move the ball up the field nice but I would love to see it continue and end in a TD.

I think the team has gotten much better on the offensive line and the receivers are doing a better job this year.

The QB MUST do a better job of placing the ball where the WR can catch it and continue to run without having to break his momentum by adjusting to the ball. When Holcolm came into the last preseason game he gave us a good look at what the QB shold be doing as he hit the guys in stride and they were able to get YAC. So far the passes from TJ are not giving the WR's that ability and for this offense to be successful that needs to change. It doesn't seem necessary to have a guy with a cannon of an arm if he isn't going to push the ball downfield at least once in a while and if the timing and accuracy isn't there he will have trouble.

I have a feeling that if we had an experienced QB running the team we would have the potential to go deep into the playoffs. Hopefully by the time he gets there the team woun't have gone the other way.