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    Re: Congrats Vikes, we are the best team in the league.

    "midgensa" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    Favre is a lot of the reason we are 9-1.


    ALso, we haven't even played the Bears yet so they have absolutely nothing to do with our 9-1 record.
    Credit is given when credit is due and he has helped, but gol 'darnit, why not include the likes of:

    a.
    El Syd.
    Have you seem some of the balls he has caught.
    Even our current starter under C has said things like (that was a floater), (I threw up a prayer and you caught it) kindof stuff.
    b. PH.
    Same same. Kid catches it if it is close.
    Hell, he turns those into big ones.
    Then add the whole ST's dynamic he has added.
    Our starting QB can't get any credit for those efforts no matter how big your 4's are on your glasses My Farvish Friend.
    ;D
    c.
    Sully.
    Again, direct quotes from the one you give credit to lavishes high praise for young Sully and his play calling at the line.
    d.
    JA. Nuff said.
    e.
    Ray.
    This cat is actually getting mentions by the talking heads of late.
    f.
    LB'rs.
    Even though most caveat thier statement that EJ is having an off year, they say our LB'r crew is one of the best.
    With the evolution of Chad late last year and this year, one can't overlook thier play as having a huge part in this season.
    ect ect ect

    Comeon My Farvish Friend.
    Give credit when credit is due..... You'll feel much better..... This team is a team of ballers.
    Because of that, we are 9-1.
    Annnnnnnnnnd, by the way, the reason our starting QB is having his best year EVER...... ;D ;D ;D
    Points a - f are all valid.
    But that doesn't take away from the inital point that BH made:
    Favre is a lot of the reason we are 9-1.


    As an example, points d - f were all valid last year too.
    Edwards was quiter, but that was leaving Allen open more often.
    Now that they are focusing on Allen, Edwards is having a career year.
    That hasn't changed.
    Our LB corps was one of the best last year too, and EJ, while I love him, hasn't been better than Leber and Greenway.

    So what has changed?
    Well, our offense has.
    And while Rice and Harvin have been instrumental in making that change happen, I absolutely disagree that they have had more of an impact than Favre.
    But you missed my point if that is what you think.

    Quick question, do you think our current starter would be #4 or would it be TJ at this point if Birk was under Center or Cook was out at RT?
    How bout #4's INT numbers......Would he be this low if PH and El Syd weren't taking balls away?
    Conversly, thier numbers wouldn't be as high if TJ was back there hesitating with his throws either.

    Again, to get back to the "Team" theme here.
    Without anyof them, including number 4, we wouldn't be at 9-1.
    None more, none less.
    Without ANY of them? That is a little ridiculous.

    I think we could be 9-1 without Winfield. We could be 9-1 without even Edwards or maybe even Berrian. So there is a good handful of players that are on the team that we could win without.

    Personally ... I do not want to try to win without them. But to say that without ANY of the players we would not be 9-1 is not absolute truth considering we lost our best secondary man and have been pretty great without him.

    The quarterback position is CLEARLY the most important position in ALL OF SPORTS. So, it is fair to heap praise upon praise on our quarterback as the main catalyst in our teams jump for goodness to greatness.

    I agree that a lot of other cats are stepping up, manning up and making this team a blast to watch. But there is definitely nothing wrong with pointing to the fact that a good portion of it is coming from Favre.
    Take away any one player on this team and we'd still be 9-1.
    Well, with the large exception of Favre that is.
    Take away Favre and we are absolutely not 9-1.
    (argument could be made for Lewis of all people,
    ;D)

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    Re: Congrats Vikes, we are the best team in the league.

    "C" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    I find this thread funny... aren't there two undefeated teams in the NFL?

    We are not the best... yet.

    This is why Vikings fans get disappointed so easy, we're so fast to anoint ourselves the best, then so fast to jump off the bandwagon after we lose. Vikings fans are fickle... notice how many people joined the site just because we signed Favre?

    Anyways, we are not the best. Both the Colts and the Saints have had tougher schedules and have better records than us.
    The Colts and Saints strength of schedule is fairly similar to ours, but I will give you that they have better records than us.

    If better records are all that was needed to determin the best team, we wouldn't need the playoffs, or the Superbowl.
    If better records meant the best team, then the 18-1 Patriots were clearly much better than the Giants, and the epic SuperBowl XLII should have never been played...
    It's not just better records though, they've had a tougher schedule too... even if it's only "Fairly" tougher.

    Honestly, if people would take off the purple shades for a minute, we're the 3rd best team in the league. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm sure I'll be labeled as a "negative fan" for saying this, but it's the truth. Injuries on the Colts' defense may change that soon, but as it stands today... we're not the best.

    Saints and Colts both have tougher schedules.

    Saints and Colts both have better records.

    Sorry guys, I love this team too... but we're not the best... yet.
    I think you can make a strong case for us. But I do agree that it is tough to just outright label us as the best.

    I do think that over the last couple of weeks we have looked REALLY good and the other two teams mentioned here have struggled ... at times quite a bit.

    I personally think that we are a better all around team than both of these teams. But by no means do I think we could blast either one of them out of even the Metrodome, much less beat them on the road.

    Could be a VERY exciting final four if it comes down to Saints v. Vikings and Patriots v. Colts.

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    Re: Congrats Vikes, we are the best team in the league.

    "midgensa" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    Take the purple glasses off Kevon.
    We are not the best team in the league.


    Are we close?
    Yes, but we need to really play a team with a winning record and beat them to be considered one of the best. :
    I know that this has been commented on already.

    And while I agree that we might not be the best team in the league ... the opponents record thing is a stale argument when a team is 9-1. This is not College Football and we are not playing FBS teams instead of FCS teams.

    By the way ... the Packers are 6-4 ... and we beat them TWICE ... so we have beaten teams with winning records.
    If not record... what do you want to measure them by?

    Offense? Saints and Colts are better.

    Defense? There are 11 better defenses in the league.

    Strength of Schedule? We have the second easiest schedule in the league. Both Colts and Saints face tougher opponents.
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    Re: Congrats Vikes, we are the best team in the league.

    "midgensa" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    Favre is a lot of the reason we are 9-1.


    ALso, we haven't even played the Bears yet so they have absolutely nothing to do with our 9-1 record.
    Credit is given when credit is due and he has helped, but gol 'darnit, why not include the likes of:

    a.
    El Syd.
    Have you seem some of the balls he has caught.
    Even our current starter under C has said things like (that was a floater), (I threw up a prayer and you caught it) kindof stuff.
    b. PH.
    Same same. Kid catches it if it is close.
    Hell, he turns those into big ones.
    Then add the whole ST's dynamic he has added.
    Our starting QB can't get any credit for those efforts no matter how big your 4's are on your glasses My Farvish Friend.
    ;D
    c.
    Sully.
    Again, direct quotes from the one you give credit to lavishes high praise for young Sully and his play calling at the line.
    d.
    JA. Nuff said.
    e.
    Ray.
    This cat is actually getting mentions by the talking heads of late.
    f.
    LB'rs.
    Even though most caveat thier statement that EJ is having an off year, they say our LB'r crew is one of the best.
    With the evolution of Chad late last year and this year, one can't overlook thier play as having a huge part in this season.
    ect ect ect

    Comeon My Farvish Friend.
    Give credit when credit is due..... You'll feel much better..... This team is a team of ballers.
    Because of that, we are 9-1.
    Annnnnnnnnnd, by the way, the reason our starting QB is having his best year EVER...... ;D ;D ;D
    Points a - f are all valid.
    But that doesn't take away from the inital point that BH made:
    Favre is a lot of the reason we are 9-1.


    As an example, points d - f were all valid last year too.
    Edwards was quiter, but that was leaving Allen open more often.
    Now that they are focusing on Allen, Edwards is having a career year.
    That hasn't changed.
    Our LB corps was one of the best last year too, and EJ, while I love him, hasn't been better than Leber and Greenway.

    So what has changed?
    Well, our offense has.
    And while Rice and Harvin have been instrumental in making that change happen, I absolutely disagree that they have had more of an impact than Favre.
    But you missed my point if that is what you think.

    Quick question, do you think our current starter would be #4 or would it be TJ at this point if Birk was under Center or Cook was out at RT?
    How bout #4's INT numbers......Would he be this low if PH and El Syd weren't taking balls away?
    Conversly, thier numbers wouldn't be as high if TJ was back there hesitating with his throws either.

    Again, to get back to the "Team" theme here.
    Without anyof them, including number 4, we wouldn't be at 9-1.
    None more, none less.
    Without ANY of them? That is a little ridiculous.

    I think we could be 9-1 without Winfield. We could be 9-1 without even Edwards or maybe even Berrian. So there is a good handful of players that are on the team that we could win without.

    Personally ... I do not want to try to win without them. But to say that without ANY of the players we would not be 9-1 is not absolute truth considering we lost our best secondary man and have been pretty great without him.

    The quarterback position is CLEARLY the most important position in ALL OF SPORTS. So, it is fair to heap praise upon praise on our quarterback as the main catalyst in our teams jump for goodness to greatness.

    I agree that a lot of other cats are stepping up, manning up and making this team a blast to watch. [size=10pt]But there is definitely nothing wrong with pointing to the fact that a good portion of it is coming from Favre.[/size]
    In no way am I doing this.
    His role is significant this year.
    Truth be told, I think his role will be felt for years to come especially when you look a it with respect to how he has helped with the maturation of:

    a.
    The OL.
    Especially our C.
    b.
    The WR's.
    Our QB's pre-#4 have held them back. Anyone who says otherwise is crazy or doesn't understand the game.
    c.
    TJ.
    If in fact this cat becomes our backup, watching the current starter work this offense will be the direct reason for his success. As with the WR's the Vets that have been brought in were poor substitutes as examples of how things should be executed.
    Truth be told, if given enough beer you could almost get me to admit that other than a certain cat named Joe M, our current starter is the best cat to bring in as a example for TJ.

    Again, not taking away from what he has done.
    Only want to stress that others have had a significant role as well.
    Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/josdin00/Vikings/Marrdro_sig.jpg

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    Re: Congrats Vikes, we are the best team in the league.

    "C" wrote:
    "midgensa" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    Take the purple glasses off Kevon.
    We are not the best team in the league.


    Are we close?
    Yes, but we need to really play a team with a winning record and beat them to be considered one of the best. :
    I know that this has been commented on already.

    And while I agree that we might not be the best team in the league ... the opponents record thing is a stale argument when a team is 9-1. This is not College Football and we are not playing FBS teams instead of FCS teams.

    By the way ... the Packers are 6-4 ... and we beat them TWICE ... so we have beaten teams with winning records.
    If not record... what do you want to measure them by?

    Offense? Saints and Colts are better.

    Defense? There are 11 better defenses in the league.

    Strength of Schedule? We have the second easiest schedule in the league. Both Colts and Saints face tougher opponents.
    I measure by head to head play. That's why we just have to wait until the season plays out to say who is the best.
    The team playing the best at the end of the season usually wins it all.
    Nobody cares or remembers who's the best at mid season.

    Best now or not, I like our chances because we have room for improvement. And we are pretty darn good right now.
    “What takes a quarterback to the next level is not arm strength or mobility or any of that stuff. It’s the ability to play on critical downs. Manage third downs, or red zones or four-minute or two-minute situations"
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    Re: Congrats Vikes, we are the best team in the league.

    "jargomcfargo" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "midgensa" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    Take the purple glasses off Kevon.
    We are not the best team in the league.


    Are we close?
    Yes, but we need to really play a team with a winning record and beat them to be considered one of the best. :
    I know that this has been commented on already.

    And while I agree that we might not be the best team in the league ... the opponents record thing is a stale argument when a team is 9-1. This is not College Football and we are not playing FBS teams instead of FCS teams.

    By the way ... the Packers are 6-4 ... and we beat them TWICE ... so we have beaten teams with winning records.
    If not record... what do you want to measure them by?

    Offense? Saints and Colts are better.

    Defense? There are 11 better defenses in the league.

    Strength of Schedule? We have the second easiest schedule in the league. Both Colts and Saints face tougher opponents.
    I measure by head to head play. That's why we just have to wait until the season plays out to say who is the best.
    The team playing the best at the end of the season usually wins it all.
    Nobody cares or remembers who's the best at mid season.

    Best now or not, I like our chances because we have room for improvement. And we are pretty darn good right now.
    In the end, the best team will be the one holding up the Mirror Ball trophy.
    Wait, thats Dancing With the Stars......Shame KO didn't win.
    :'(

    In the end the best team will be the winner of the SB.
    That is what all will be gauged by.
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