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    Re:Clarifying my position...a chiller rant

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    I'm sure the entire Vikings staff wanted a QB but Chilly walked into the room and said,

    HEY GUYZ I GOT THIS, NO QBS IN THIS DRAFT YO

    And then it was decided, on Chilly's word, that no QBs would be taken.
    I'm glad they didn't take a QB, so this may be the second time I agree with Childress, first was getting Favre.
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    Re:Clarifying my position...a chiller rant

    Im kinda glad they didnt take a QB too. Why let Childress ruin another young QB?

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    Re:Clarifying my position...a chiller rant

    Hopefully we get another year out of Favre and then it's revolving door QB time!

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    Re:Clarifying my position...a chiller rant

    happy camper wrote:
    I'm sure the entire Vikings staff wanted a QB but Chilly walked into the room and said,

    HEY GUYZ I GOT THIS, NO QBS IN THIS DRAFT YO

    And then it was decided, on Chilly's word, that no QBs would be taken.
    I tried to make this so over the top that sarcasm was obvious.
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    Re:Clarifying my position...a chiller rant

    happy camper wrote:
    happy camper wrote:
    I'm sure the entire Vikings staff wanted a QB but Chilly walked into the room and said,

    HEY GUYZ I GOT THIS, NO QBS IN THIS DRAFT YO

    And then it was decided, on Chilly's word, that no QBs would be taken.
    I tried to make this so over the top that sarcasm was obvious.
    Best quote ever!

    I will agree that the QB issue is one that makes you shake your head a little, but to ignore all the other success this team has had under Chiller is a little blinded.

    Also ... The Jaguars passed on Clausen and on McCoy twice, the Bills passed on Clausen twice and McCoy three times, the Browns passed on Clausen twice and McCoy three times before saying "what the hell," the Broncos passed on Clausen and McCoy, the 49ers passed on Clausen twice and McCoy three times and the Raiders chose to trade for Jason Campbell while passing on Clausen twice and McCoy three times.

    All of these teams have been said to have QB issues and all of them had some sort of red flag on these guys. I say that something medical on Clausen's foot that was revealed by team doctors had people weary and McCoy's shoulder (not to mention size and some other issues) raised red flags.

    With Favre coming back this year (and Chiller already knows he is) and with his faith (whether you have it or not) in Tarvaris Jackson shows that he believes that he does not think Clausen or McCoy could help his team win ... and I cannot really argue with that after watching team after team pass on these guys.

    I would be surprised if we don't seriously look at a QB next season, but not all that shocked because they clearly have faith in T-Jack. While I am not a huge T-Jack supporter ... I will admit that our constant improvement and our being brought to the precipice of a championship makes me have a lot more faith in this staff. And I will admit I am curious to see what, if anything, T-Jack has learned while riding the pine watching one of the greatest to ever play.

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    Re:Clarifying my position...a chiller rant

    midgensa wrote:
    I would be surprised if we don't seriously look at a QB next season, but not all that shocked because they clearly have faith in T-Jack. While I am not a huge T-Jack supporter ... I will admit that our constant improvement and our being brought to the precipice of a championship makes me have a lot more faith in this staff. And I will admit I am curious to see what, if anything, T-Jack has learned while riding the pine watching one of the greatest to ever play.
    First, to address the above...

    They have faith in Jackson...yes...Chiller appears to indeed have faith in him. So much so that in 07 he proclaimed that Jackson was "ready" to lead....he wasn't. But having only Holcomb or Bollinger to go to, it wasn't like there was a better option on the roster.

    In '08, Chiller again said, "Jackson is ready"...and he wasn't. Fortunately, the scrub they'd selected that year was Gus Frerotte who played well enough to get us into the Play-offs....and we all know what happened there...

    Then came '09 and the signing of Sage Rosenfels - and we all argued about who was the better crappy QB....until Favre came out of retirement (again) for a shot at glory.

    Yup...their faith in Jackson is overwhelming...too bad Jackson hasn't validated that faith.

    Prophet and others brought up Chiller's team-building...a point I don't argue. I agree that Chiller has brought in quality people at the majority of positions. The exceptions being RG, FB, and QB.

    But of those exceptions, only ONE position is the single most important one - and that's the QB. Until Favre arrived, we were NOT a high powered offense. We struggled to score, and relied on explosive performances by Adrian Peterson or the Defense to win games for us. But with the Offensive production of last season, people have forgotten how anemic the KAO was.

    As I originally said, all of the QB's in this years crop may be busts. Same with last seasons, or even next seasons. But we never even TRY. Chiller sits back and throws washed up QB after washed up QB at the problem, all the while proclaiming that THIS time Jackson is REALLY ready...

    We got lucky with Favre. And I am one who thinks he's coming back (although I doubt he's told anyone officially, so Chiller doesn't "know"...he's guessing...just like me). IF somehow McNabb winds up on our roster nexst season, I will proclaim Chiller to be the luckiest HC in the history of Football.

    Finally, for thoise who like to throw the "How long have you been an NFL exec" card...the answer is never. And the cold hard truth is that I get paid NOTHING to come to these conclusions. They get millions. But as a fan I have the luxury of getting to have an opinion. Right, wrong, or otherwise, I get to have one. And, if I'm clever enough, I get to put my opinion out there for others to chew on - some to agree, others to disagree. And if fate decrees that I am wrong, the only cost is that you guys get to give me a ration of shiite about it. When the execs are wrong, our team loses. I'd say I'm the better value so far...

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    Re:Clarifying my position...a chiller rant

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    As long as T-Jack is on the roster, the Vikings are set for success. Kick up your feet and relax, the team is on cruise control for being division champs the next 8 years.
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    Caine wrote:
    midgensa wrote:
    I would be surprised if we don't seriously look at a QB next season, but not all that shocked because they clearly have faith in T-Jack. While I am not a huge T-Jack supporter ... I will admit that our constant improvement and our being brought to the precipice of a championship makes me have a lot more faith in this staff. And I will admit I am curious to see what, if anything, T-Jack has learned while riding the pine watching one of the greatest to ever play.
    First, to address the above...

    They have faith in Jackson...yes...Chiller appears to indeed have faith in him. So much so that in 07 he proclaimed that Jackson was "ready" to lead....he wasn't. But having only Holcomb or Bollinger to go to, it wasn't like there was a better option on the roster.

    In '08, Chiller again said, "Jackson is ready"...and he wasn't. Fortunately, the scrub they'd selected that year was Gus Frerotte who played well enough to get us into the Play-offs....and we all know what happened there...

    Then came '09 and the signing of Sage Rosenfels - and we all argued about who was the better crappy QB....until Favre came out of retirement (again) for a shot at glory.

    Yup...their faith in Jackson is overwhelming...too bad Jackson hasn't validated that faith.

    Prophet and others brought up Chiller's team-building...a point I don't argue. I agree that Chiller has brought in quality people at the majority of positions. The exceptions being RG, FB, and QB.

    But of those exceptions, only ONE position is the single most important one - and that's the QB. Until Favre arrived, we were NOT a high powered offense. We struggled to score, and relied on explosive performances by Adrian Peterson or the Defense to win games for us. But with the Offensive production of last season, people have forgotten how anemic the KAO was.

    As I originally said, all of the QB's in this years crop may be busts. Same with last seasons, or even next seasons. But we never even TRY. Chiller sits back and throws washed up QB after washed up QB at the problem, all the while proclaiming that THIS time Jackson is REALLY ready...

    We got lucky with Favre. And I am one who thinks he's coming back (although I doubt he's told anyone officially, so Chiller doesn't "know"...he's guessing...just like me). IF somehow McNabb winds up on our roster nexst season, I will proclaim Chiller to be the luckiest HC in the history of Football.

    Finally, for thoise who like to throw the "How long have you been an NFL exec" card...the answer is never. And the cold hard truth is that I get paid NOTHING to come to these conclusions. They get millions. But as a fan I have the luxury of getting to have an opinion. Right, wrong, or otherwise, I get to have one. And, if I'm clever enough, I get to put my opinion out there for others to chew on - some to agree, others to disagree. And if fate decrees that I am wrong, the only cost is that you guys get to give me a ration of shiite about it. When the execs are wrong, our team loses. I'd say I'm the better value so far...

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    The statement I bolded is a bunch of BS. Yes it is an important piece to the puzzle but don't sit here and type spew that the QB is the single most important one. Without the other 10 players on offense the QB position is nothing.

    I have always said the QB position is not the best scenario. This ridiculous debate has gone on and on. The difference is Chilly has more support than he did before and I'd like to ask, how many Chilly supporters turned against him? Does that tell you something?

    The funny thing is you say on one side of your mouth that the backups don't matter. So here we are with one of the best starters (the only one that matters according to you)ever to play the game and you are still complaining. Seems a little hypocritical to me. This team is in contention to win a superbowl.

    No they don't have the QB position locked up for years to come. How many teams have question marks at QB? A lot. Just to back up my point, where's Pittsburgh's fate now? If P. Manning were to go down who do the Colts have? Painter? It's that easy to lose a starting QB so I no longer want to hear the BS that the backups don't matter. I would much rather have TJ than Leftwich or Painter.

    Childress has turned this team into a superbowl contender. Quit crying about 1 position when it's not a problem right now. It may be in the future but your continuous rant about something that's not a problem right now (and hasn't been since Favre showed up)is getting ridiculous. Especially since there are plenty of other teams with the same problem and/or worse.

    Edit: Oh yeah, let's not forget this fact. Childress is not the only person that has the say on who the team drafts. They have a front office that consists of many people from Wilf, to Spielman and to the scouts that give feedback. How do you know the scouts weren't the ones that told the FO to stay away from certian QBs? You DON'T! So quit trying to blame Childress for everything YOU don't agree with.

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    Re:Clarifying my position...a chiller rant

    What a great idea for a thread.

    I was a bit upset they didn't take a kid like Skelton or Robinson (or even Snead Kevoncox), but the truth of the matter is, this class is one of the weakest ever when it comes to QB talent. Hell, the number 2 QB on the board went after a kid that has to completely learn how to play QB for cripes sake.

    Anyway, what does this all mean? As Caine said, I am a fan and have every right to have an opinion, so here it goes......

    I think this draft said 3 things....

    a. None of the QB's were worth wasting a pick on. Indication for this is that this staff has drafted a QB in every draft since they've been here. This year they didn't.

    By the way, don't believe for one second that Webb is a QB project. He was brought in to play WR, not QB. The QB project from this class will be RJ Archer and Ryan Perriloux (if he gets signed).

    b. They are comfortable with TJ as not only the backup but as the future.

    Now this is were the sticky meets the rub with most fans. With all of our wisdom, we have deemed that this kid doesn't have a future in this league and can't figure out why a real coaching staff believes otherwise.

    Sure the Chiller said he was ready a few times, but what do you expect out of your head coach. Do you expect him to say, he isn't ready, but we don't have anything better so we are gonna run him out there anyways? Gimme a break. That ship has sailed and didn't float either. He didn't throw the kid under the bus.

    c. They believe that Dnabb is gonna be a Viking next year.

    Sticky meets the rub again and I think the comments that follow on him showing up in Vikings Purple and Gold will be really telling with respect to a few peoples comments and might even get to the heart of why some people don't like certain QB's.

    In the end, I am not 100% happy with this draft. I thought they should have addressed the QB position and the DT position. Guess what, I was wrong. Probably cause I am a fan, and not a GM.

    To date, this staff has done everything right with respect to player selection both in the FA market as well as the rookie pool.

    I for one am gonna trust them on the assumption that they do have a long term plan to solve the QB position.
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    Marrdro wrote:
    What a great idea for a thread.

    I was a bit upset they didn't take a kid like Skelton or Robinson (or even Snead Kevoncox), but the truth of the matter is, this class is one of the weakest ever when it comes to QB talent. Hell, the number 2 QB on the board went after a kid that has to completely learn how to play QB for cripes sake.

    Anyway, what does this all mean? As Caine said, I am a fan and have every right to have an opinion, so here it goes......

    I think this draft said 3 things....

    a. None of the QB's were worth wasting a pick on. Indication for this is that this staff has drafted a QB in every draft since they've been here. This year they didn't.

    By the way, don't believe for one second that Webb is a QB project. He was brought in to play WR, not QB. The QB project from this class will be RJ Archer and Ryan Perriloux (if he gets signed).

    b. They are comfortable with TJ as not only the backup but as the future.

    Now this is were the sticky meets the rub with most fans. With all of our wisdom, we have deemed that this kid doesn't have a future in this league and can't figure out why a real coaching staff believes otherwise.

    Sure the Chiller said he was ready a few times, but what do you expect out of your head coach. Do you expect him to say, he isn't ready, but we don't have anything better so we are gonna run him out there anyways? Gimme a break. That ship has sailed and didn't float either. He didn't throw the kid under the bus.

    c. They believe that Dnabb is gonna be a Viking next year.

    Sticky meets the rub again and I think the comments that follow on him showing up in Vikings Purple and Gold will be really telling with respect to a few peoples comments and might even get to the heart of why some people don't like certain QB's.

    In the end, I am not 100% happy with this draft. I thought they should have addressed the QB position and the DT position. Guess what, I was wrong. Probably cause I am a fan, and not a GM.

    To date, this staff has done everything right with respect to player selection both in the FA market as well as the rookie pool.

    I for one am gonna trust them on the assumption that they do have a long term plan to solve the QB position.
    There you go again Marr with all those wonderful deductions.

    Point a) -- You need to qualify that the NFL staffs didn't believe the QB's in this draft were worth taking high. I believe at 2009's draft the fans on this site were saying that the QB class was crap and we should wait until 2010 when it was going to be loaded. Perceptions change pretty quickly, doesn't make them right.

    Point b) How do you know they are comfortable with TJ. Maybe they just believed your point a) or maybe they believe in Sage or maybe they think its all a wash after Favre.

    Point c) If this is true, it kind of takes away from your point b. I doubt anyone has any real confidence that DNabb will be a Viking next year.

    Using the OR function vs the AND would have worked better.

    I'm disappointed we didn't take a QB higher in the draft, but its hard for me to second guess the talent staff and coaching at this point. If they really didn't believe that guys like Clausen or McCoy were legitimate franchise prospects, than what are you really gain with later round picks over the likes of TJ and Sage? Hopefully they were right, not so sure myself.

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