Thread: Childress

I have now officially lost confidence with Childress.

Consider if you will, these critiques of him, which I also believe:

- He inherited a 9-7 team and turned it into a 6-10 team.
- The following year, he went 8-8, despite having Adrian Peterson
- He has a worse overall record than Tice, even though Brad was able to bring in his own staff and Tice wasn't
- We lost Wiggins and Brad Johnson due to Chilly
- Marcus Robinson: "Childress had a total inability to communicate with the players.
- Upon which, Robinson was cut (on Christmas Day - a nice touch !).
- Total inability to run a simple screen pass, even though the O-linemen know how to do it. Total inability to throw screen passes to Peterson, even though screens are a staple of the west coast offense (!!).
- Being outcoached (last year's Washington game, which killed our season)

You can say what you want about Brad. In his 30 years of coaching, his winning % is 56 %. His record as a Vikings head coach is far worse than Denny's and worse than Tice's even though Brad has had better talent (AP, Kevin Williams) than Tice did.

These things are becoming really evident to me. The whole Tarvaris thing is so evident to me, that this guy is a bust.

Did this just happen today?

Would you also terminate the personnel staff or the capmaster?

Are you ready to see the roster overhauled again under a new coach?

Yes. I would fire Childress or "demote him up" to upper management.

I personally would throw Bevell out of Winter Park. That guy is totally useless. His playcalling is horrible !

I would, if I owned this team, do the following:

1. Bring in Schottenheimer or Denny or Jim Fassel
2. Get Jeff Garcia in here (he is disgruntled in Tampa). Garcia can run the west coast offense and is a good QB.
3. Get a real offensive coordinator who knows what a screen pass is.
4. Get a playbook that gets AP the gol 'darnit ball in space.
5. Get a Def. Coordinator who knows how to blitz at the right times, and who can teach the corners what press coverage is.

"StillPurple" wrote:

Yes. I would fire Childress or "demote him up" to upper management.

I personally would throw Bevell out of Winter Park. That guy is totally useless. His playcalling is horrible !

I would, if I owned this team, do the following:

1. Bring in Schottenheimer or Denny or Jim Fassel
2. Get Jeff Garcia in here (he is disgruntled in Tampa). Garcia can run the west coast offense and is a good QB.
3. Get a real offensive coordinator who knows what a screen pass is.
4. Get a playbook that gets AP the gol 'darnit ball in space.
5. Get a Def. Coordinator who knows how to blitz at the right times, and who can teach the corners what press coverage is.

Schott- Can't win the SB with the most talented team. Been there and don't need to see it again.

Denny G- Can't win the SB with the most talented team. Been there and don't need to see version 2.0

Fassel- See answers above.

Garcia- two years too late.

As far as the OC and DC- That will be determined by the coach, who I would hope would not be 1,2 or 3 above.

Childress won't be replaced during the season.
Now if at the end of the year the Vikes finish 8-8 or worse I would worry about it job.
After the season has started unless you go 0-8 or something you never bring in a new guy that's going to do better without having the offseason to implement a new plan.

I personally think Childress is a bum as a coach, but he'll be here all season unless there is some horrible horrible football played the first 8-10 weeks.


Now if Childress did get fired in the offseason it would only be fitting to give my boy Tice another shot with a real owner.
;D

Wiggins and Marcus Robinson?? you consider these guys big losses?..and Brad J. please give me a break.
When you mentioned bringing back Denny or god forbid Jim Fassel...you lost me completely.

One more thing...K-Will was drafted by Tice.

As I recall, Brad Johnson ran the west coast offense well. Wiggins was a machine. Are you kidding me ? That guy was money !

I liked and still like Mike Tice. He had fire in his gut and he treated the players well and fired them up. He was also accountable. The thing I don't like about Childress is this whole "it is the system", "wait a bit...", "you don't get it" or "you don't get the complexity", bla, bla, bla.

I am so sick of him running AP off-tackle into a stacked box, that his QB can't throw us out of, and then saying that I need to wait and let the "system" work.

I think that Schottenheimer, Denny, or Fassel would all know how to get AP in space. They would also know to throw the screen a lot to him.

They also would know when to blitz and when not to:

- vs. a very experienced QB (Favre), you zone blitz
- vs. a QB with zero experience (Rodgers), you blitz

Chilly does the opposite.

Really, the guy is inexplicable !

He is also now 0-6 vs. the Packers, I think.

Can you name me one other NFL coach who would have drafted Tarvaris and then "crowned" him the starter ? Dungy, Belicheck, Holmgren ? Any of those guys ? The idea itself makes me laugh. Look at Childress's coaching buddy, Sean Peyton, who has Drew Brees as QB. No coach would have installed Tarvaris the way Chilly did.

I just know what will happen on Sunday:
- Continued runs by AP into the stacked box
- Tarvaris rolling out and running downfield (Sanders will destroy him)
- Bad playcallling all around.

The only reason I won't leave is that I have a rule that I never leave a Vikings game, no matter how bad it gets...

"StillPurple" wrote:

I think that Schottenheimer, Denny, or Fassel would all know how to get AP in space. They would also know to throw the screen a lot to him.

They also would know when to blitz and when not to:

- vs. a very experienced QB (Favre), you zone blitz
- vs. a QB with zero experience (Rodgers), you blitz

Chilly does the opposite.

Really, the guy is inexplicable !

He is also now 0-6 vs. the Packers, I think.

Can you name me one other NFL coach who would have drafted Tarvaris and then "crowned" him the starter ? Dungy, Belicheck, Holmgren ? Any of those guys ? The idea itself makes me laugh. Look at Childress's coaching buddy, Sean Peyton, who has Drew Brees as QB. No coach would have installed Tarvaris the way Chilly did.

I just know what will happen on Sunday:
- Continued runs by AP into the stacked box
- Tarvaris rolling out and running downfield (Sanders will destroy him)
- Bad playcallling all around.

The only reason I won't leave is that I have a rule that I never leave a Vikings game, no matter how bad it gets...

Seems to me that Childress used him pretty effectively last season considering he won rookie of the year AND broke the NFL single game TD record.


I suppose your theory would be he would have rushed for 7,000 yards if Schottenhemer, Denny, or Fassel was his coach?
???

"StillPurple" wrote:

I think that Schottenheimer, Denny, or Fassel would all know how to get AP in space. They would also know to throw the screen a lot to him.

They also would know when to blitz and when not to:

- vs. a very experienced QB (Favre), you zone blitz
- vs. a QB with zero experience (Rodgers), you blitz

Chilly does the opposite.

Really, the guy is inexplicable !

He is also now 0-6 vs. the Packers, I think.

Can you name me one other NFL coach who would have drafted Tarvaris and then "crowned" him the starter ? Dungy, Belicheck, Holmgren ? Any of those guys ? The idea itself makes me laugh. Look at Childress's coaching buddy, Sean Peyton, who has Drew Brees as QB. No coach would have installed Tarvaris the way Chilly did.

I just know what will happen on Sunday:
- Continued runs by AP into the stacked box
- Tarvaris rolling out and running downfield (Sanders will destroy him)
- Bad playcallling all around.

The only reason I won't leave is that I have a rule that I never leave a Vikings game, no matter how bad it gets...

He's only 0-5, give the guy some credit