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    Re: Centers and Vikings Don’t Easily Separate

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    IMO get an OT and prep Cook for C.

    And Mick should have HOF after his name.
    I don't think Cook will be moving back to Center, at 6foot6 330 pounds he's got the body of a Tackle. He's also got the skill sets to be a tackle, he moves really well for a guy that big. While I do think him at center would be an absolute anchor I believe we drafted him with the second round pick to be a Tackle because he possesed the talents and work ethic to make the transition and eventually be a very solid RT. Not to mention our QB is 6foot2, having a center that much taller could cause some issues. I felt Cook made some very good strides in becoming our future RT, at times last year he did struggle but he was only a second year guy practicly learning a new position. I beleive we drafted him because he has a great work ethic and attitude, just what it will take to make this a succesful transition. He is also a big part of our running success last year. He didn't earn the name hitman for nothing.

    I do believe we should draft at Tackle very soon in this draft, hopefully we already got a guy picked out that we really like and think we can get with one of our selections. A future puzzle peice, as I would like nothing more than to get rid of McKinnie and his lack of production and commitment to his Profession and his team.

    I believe Dan Mozes fits our scheme like a glove, I beleive Dan Mozes needed to find a home where he fits in with what is being accomplished. From what I've heard and read Mozes has a deep determination and work ethic teamed with our coaching staff and training program will propel him into the starting Center position after this season. If not I trust our orginization to find a replacement.
    So did T-Will.
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    Re: Centers and Vikings Don’t Easily Separate

    "singersp" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
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    IMO get an OT and prep Cook for C.

    And Mick should have HOF after his name.
    Cook is just to tall.
    (Probably have to eat my words on that one by the way.

    ;D)

    Mozes will be groomed to take Matts place or they could draft another C this year as there are quite a few in this draft that might work out if given some time to grow.
    Mark my words. You will see the Vikings draft a center at some point in the draft.
    If we do draft a center this year he would likely have to ride the practice squad, Centers are very unpopular in the draft and I bleive we can find another guy undrafted to fit in on the practice squad. If we do draft one he will be a late round pick, more than likely Mozes and Birk will see the active squad, the third guy will not suit up unless injuries occur.

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    Re: Centers and Vikings Don’t Easily Separate

    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "VikingMike" wrote:
    IMO get an OT and prep Cook for C.

    And Mick should have HOF after his name.
    Cook is just to tall.
    (Probably have to eat my words on that one by the way.
    ;D)

    Mozes will be groomed to take Matts place or they could draft another C this year as there are quite a few in this draft that might work out if given some time to grow.
    Mark my words. You will see the Vikings draft a center at some point in the draft.
    If we do draft a center this year he would likely have to ride the practice squad, Centers are very unpopular in the draft and I bleive we can find another guy undrafted to fit in on the practice squad. If we do draft one he will be a late round pick, more than likely Mozes and Birk will see the active squad, the third guy will not suit up unless injuries occur.
    Well sir, that is probably the most likely scenario


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    Re: Centers and Vikings Don’t Easily Separate

    "singersp" wrote:
    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    "VikingMike" wrote:
    IMO get an OT and prep Cook for C.

    And Mick should have HOF after his name.
    I don't think Cook will be moving back to Center, at 6foot6 330 pounds he's got the body of a Tackle. He's also got the skill sets to be a tackle, he moves really well for a guy that big. While I do think him at center would be an absolute anchor I believe we drafted him with the second round pick to be a Tackle because he possesed the talents and work ethic to make the transition and eventually be a very solid RT. Not to mention our QB is 6foot2, having a center that much taller could cause some issues. I felt Cook made some very good strides in becoming our future RT, at times last year he did struggle but he was only a second year guy practicly learning a new position. I beleive we drafted him because he has a great work ethic and attitude, just what it will take to make this a succesful transition. He is also a big part of our running success last year. He didn't earn the name hitman for nothing.

    I do believe we should draft at Tackle very soon in this draft, hopefully we already got a guy picked out that we really like and think we can get with one of our selections. A future puzzle peice, as I would like nothing more than to get rid of McKinnie and his lack of production and commitment to his Profession and his team.

    I believe Dan Mozes fits our scheme like a glove, I beleive Dan Mozes needed to find a home where he fits in with what is being accomplished. From what I've heard and read Mozes has a deep determination and work ethic teamed with our coaching staff and training program will propel him into the starting Center position after this season. If not I trust our orginization to find a replacement.
    So did T-Will.
    Dan Mozes was considered the best center in college football by many many experts. Troy Williamson is a guy who shot up on draft boards because he had a great track and feild day. He was also a very huge reach in the draft. Troy Williamson has all the physical tools it takes to be a good WR, he can get open whenever he wants, he has good hops, he's a decent open field runner once he catches the football and beleive it or not he actually does have decent hands. But, and here me out, Williamson has a built in "choke factor". Maybe this stems from the pressure of being tagged Moss's replacement but I think he's just a choker. I wish the best of luck to him because he did have a good work ethic and he's good guy, but he never had enough determination to shake the choke factor. I believe that comparing Troy Williamson to Dan Mozes is a complete flop in your arguement. I believe you have man-love for Birk, which is understandable as many fans feel a connection with him and do not want to loose him.

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    Re: Centers and Vikings Don’t Easily Separate

    "singersp" wrote:
    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    "VikingMike" wrote:
    IMO get an OT and prep Cook for C.

    And Mick should have HOF after his name.
    I don't think Cook will be moving back to Center, at 6foot6 330 pounds he's got the body of a Tackle. He's also got the skill sets to be a tackle, he moves really well for a guy that big. While I do think him at center would be an absolute anchor I believe we drafted him with the second round pick to be a Tackle because he possesed the talents and work ethic to make the transition and eventually be a very solid RT. Not to mention our QB is 6foot2, having a center that much taller could cause some issues. I felt Cook made some very good strides in becoming our future RT, at times last year he did struggle but he was only a second year guy practicly learning a new position. I beleive we drafted him because he has a great work ethic and attitude, just what it will take to make this a succesful transition. He is also a big part of our running success last year. He didn't earn the name hitman for nothing.

    I do believe we should draft at Tackle very soon in this draft, hopefully we already got a guy picked out that we really like and think we can get with one of our selections. A future puzzle peice, as I would like nothing more than to get rid of McKinnie and his lack of production and commitment to his Profession and his team.

    I believe Dan Mozes fits our scheme like a glove, I beleive Dan Mozes needed to find a home where he fits in with what is being accomplished. From what I've heard and read Mozes has a deep determination and work ethic teamed with our coaching staff and training program will propel him into the starting Center position after this season. If not I trust our orginization to find a replacement.
    So did T-Will.
    Williamson did sit himself out of a practise 05 and Tice benched him for it Williamson Lands in Tice's Doghouse

    Williamson might have had a good work ethic but I wouldn't call it deep determined


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    Re: Centers and Vikings Don’t Easily Separate

    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    "VikingMike" wrote:
    IMO get an OT and prep Cook for C.

    And Mick should have HOF after his name.
    I don't think Cook will be moving back to Center, at 6foot6 330 pounds he's got the body of a Tackle. He's also got the skill sets to be a tackle, he moves really well for a guy that big. While I do think him at center would be an absolute anchor I believe we drafted him with the second round pick to be a Tackle because he possesed the talents and work ethic to make the transition and eventually be a very solid RT. Not to mention our QB is 6foot2, having a center that much taller could cause some issues. I felt Cook made some very good strides in becoming our future RT, at times last year he did struggle but he was only a second year guy practicly learning a new position. I beleive we drafted him because he has a great work ethic and attitude, just what it will take to make this a succesful transition. He is also a big part of our running success last year. He didn't earn the name hitman for nothing.

    I do believe we should draft at Tackle very soon in this draft, hopefully we already got a guy picked out that we really like and think we can get with one of our selections. A future puzzle peice, as I would like nothing more than to get rid of McKinnie and his lack of production and commitment to his Profession and his team.

    I believe Dan Mozes fits our scheme like a glove, I beleive Dan Mozes needed to find a home where he fits in with what is being accomplished. From what I've heard and read Mozes has a deep determination and work ethic teamed with our coaching staff and training program will propel him into the starting Center position after this season. If not I trust our orginization to find a replacement.
    So did T-Will.
    Dan Mozes was considered the best center in college football by many many experts. Troy Williamson is a guy who shot up on draft boards because he had a great track and feild day. He was also a very huge reach in the draft. Troy Williamson has all the physical tools it takes to be a good WR, he can get open whenever he wants, he has good hops, he's a decent open field runner once he catches the football and beleive it or not he actually does have decent hands. But, and here me out, Williamson has a built in "choke factor". Maybe this stems from the pressure of being tagged Moss's replacement but I think he's just a choker. I wish the best of luck to him because he did have a good work ethic and he's good guy, but he never had enough determination to shake the choke factor. I believe that comparing Troy Williamson to Dan Mozes is a complete flop in your arguement. I believe you have man-love for Birk, which is understandable as many fans feel a connection with him and do not want to loose him.
    Mozes wasn't drafted in the top 3 rounds and the local papers aren't talking about him all the time so no one on here knows him.

    You will never convince people he is any good because of those reasons.
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    Re: Centers and Vikings Don’t Easily Separate

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    "VikingMike" wrote:
    IMO get an OT and prep Cook for C.

    And Mick should have HOF after his name.
    I don't think Cook will be moving back to Center, at 6foot6 330 pounds he's got the body of a Tackle. He's also got the skill sets to be a tackle, he moves really well for a guy that big. While I do think him at center would be an absolute anchor I believe we drafted him with the second round pick to be a Tackle because he possesed the talents and work ethic to make the transition and eventually be a very solid RT. Not to mention our QB is 6foot2, having a center that much taller could cause some issues. I felt Cook made some very good strides in becoming our future RT, at times last year he did struggle but he was only a second year guy practicly learning a new position. I beleive we drafted him because he has a great work ethic and attitude, just what it will take to make this a succesful transition. He is also a big part of our running success last year. He didn't earn the name hitman for nothing.

    I do believe we should draft at Tackle very soon in this draft, hopefully we already got a guy picked out that we really like and think we can get with one of our selections. A future puzzle peice, as I would like nothing more than to get rid of McKinnie and his lack of production and commitment to his Profession and his team.

    I believe Dan Mozes fits our scheme like a glove, I beleive Dan Mozes needed to find a home where he fits in with what is being accomplished. From what I've heard and read Mozes has a deep determination and work ethic teamed with our coaching staff and training program will propel him into the starting Center position after this season. If not I trust our orginization to find a replacement.
    So did T-Will.
    Dan Mozes was considered the best center in college football by many many experts. Troy Williamson is a guy who shot up on draft boards because he had a great track and feild day. He was also a very huge reach in the draft. Troy Williamson has all the physical tools it takes to be a good WR, he can get open whenever he wants, he has good hops, he's a decent open field runner once he catches the football and beleive it or not he actually does have decent hands. But, and here me out, Williamson has a built in "choke factor". Maybe this stems from the pressure of being tagged Moss's replacement but I think he's just a choker. I wish the best of luck to him because he did have a good work ethic and he's good guy, but he never had enough determination to shake the choke factor. I believe that comparing Troy Williamson to Dan Mozes is a complete flop in your arguement. I believe you have man-love for Birk, which is understandable as many fans feel a connection with him and do not want to loose him.
    Mozes wasn't drafted in the top 3 rounds and the local papers aren't talking about him all the time so no one on here knows him.

    You will never convince people he is any good because of those reasons.

    ;D
    I started a thread about him a month or two ago, posting a couple articles I found about how well we like him, how good he was in college and how some feel he's too small to play on the NFL level. Basically a underdog. But given our system and staff we have I don't believe its unreasonable to believe he is the future. More than anything I bleieve the fans are having a real difficulty letting go of Birk, while I understand to some extent, we will still have to move on and like you pointed out there are reasons Birk has not been signed to a contract and extension and there are reasons Pat Williams has. I really like this about the coaching staff we do have here, they do not neccasarly play favorites and see things with an open mind, I couldn't agree more.

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    Re: Centers and Vikings Don’t Easily Separate

    The debate about whether a player, coach or team is any good is best settled in the end zone, not the spin zone. To this point my favorite team has not done that and until they do they will be what they are: A new group of owners and coaches trying to make their mark in the league but not there yet.

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    Re: Centers and Vikings Don’t Easily Separate

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    "VikingMike" wrote:
    IMO get an OT and prep Cook for C.

    And Mick should have HOF after his name.
    I don't think Cook will be moving back to Center, at 6foot6 330 pounds he's got the body of a Tackle. He's also got the skill sets to be a tackle, he moves really well for a guy that big. While I do think him at center would be an absolute anchor I believe we drafted him with the second round pick to be a Tackle because he possesed the talents and work ethic to make the transition and eventually be a very solid RT. Not to mention our QB is 6foot2, having a center that much taller could cause some issues. I felt Cook made some very good strides in becoming our future RT, at times last year he did struggle but he was only a second year guy practicly learning a new position. I beleive we drafted him because he has a great work ethic and attitude, just what it will take to make this a succesful transition. He is also a big part of our running success last year. He didn't earn the name hitman for nothing.

    I do believe we should draft at Tackle very soon in this draft, hopefully we already got a guy picked out that we really like and think we can get with one of our selections. A future puzzle peice, as I would like nothing more than to get rid of McKinnie and his lack of production and commitment to his Profession and his team.

    I believe Dan Mozes fits our scheme like a glove, I beleive Dan Mozes needed to find a home where he fits in with what is being accomplished. From what I've heard and read Mozes has a deep determination and work ethic teamed with our coaching staff and training program will propel him into the starting Center position after this season. If not I trust our orginization to find a replacement.
    So did T-Will.
    Dan Mozes was considered the best center in college football by many many experts. Troy Williamson is a guy who shot up on draft boards because he had a great track and feild day. He was also a very huge reach in the draft. Troy Williamson has all the physical tools it takes to be a good WR, he can get open whenever he wants, he has good hops, he's a decent open field runner once he catches the football and beleive it or not he actually does have decent hands. But, and here me out, Williamson has a built in "choke factor". Maybe this stems from the pressure of being tagged Moss's replacement but I think he's just a choker. I wish the best of luck to him because he did have a good work ethic and he's good guy, but he never had enough determination to shake the choke factor. I believe that comparing Troy Williamson to Dan Mozes is a complete flop in your arguement. I believe you have man-love for Birk, which is understandable as many fans feel a connection with him and do not want to loose him.
    Mozes wasn't drafted in the top 3 rounds and the local papers aren't talking about him all the time so no one on here knows him.

    You will never convince people he is any good because of those reasons.
    ;D
    You won't convince me until I see him play in the NFL. Same as any other player.

    It doesn't matter if it's 1st round or 4th round.

    Great player in college doesn't equate to great player at the pro level.

    Likewise, mediocre player in college doesn't equate to mediocre player at the pro level either.

    Actually, I get more enjoyment out of watching a third or fourth rounder becoming a S.O.D. or diamond in the rough than I do a first rounder living up to expectations.

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