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    Re: Cedric Griffin Gets Community Service For DUI

    "PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:
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    Someone in chat before 1 of the preseason games had mentioned he was arrested... apparently the chatter had inside info as he was absolutely sure it had happened even though I never saw a report on it.
    Looks as if his info was good.

    Frankly, I'm disappointed he was arrested.
    Maybe I'm twisting things a bit, but if the car was stopped at the side of the road, what law did he break?
    Is it illegal to sit in a running car while drunk?
    I'm by no means in favor of DUI, but to punish someone who realizes their making a mistake and immediately stops an action, I'm not sure that sits well with me.
    You can get a DUI for being asleep in the backseat of a car with the keys in your pocket.

    If you have access to the keys and are drunk in the car you can get a DUI.
    I don't know what the laws are like elsewhere but I always heard here that if the keys were out of the ignition and in a cup holder or glove compartment or something you couldn't be arrested for DUI. That's kind of bullshit that they can arrest you for making a good decision and pulling over.
    Yes, you can still be arrested. You can get a DUI for riding a skateboard drunk.
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    Re: Cedric Griffin Gets Community Service For DUI

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    Someone in chat before 1 of the preseason games had mentioned he was arrested... apparently the chatter had inside info as he was absolutely sure it had happened even though I never saw a report on it.
    Looks as if his info was good.

    Frankly, I'm disappointed he was arrested.
    Maybe I'm twisting things a bit, but if the car was stopped at the side of the road, what law did he break?
    Is it illegal to sit in a running car while drunk?
    I'm by no means in favor of DUI, but to punish someone who realizes their making a mistake and immediately stops an action, I'm not sure that sits well with me.
    Well, it was stopped at the side of the road... which means he drove drunk to a certain point and pulled over. Give him credit for pulling over but shame to do it in the first place. My guess is, given he realized his mistake, he is probably okay with the punishment.
    No... it means he was sitting in a car at the side of the road... sitting in a car in no way proves you drove the car no matter where the car happens to be parked.
    Is it likely?
    Well duh, absolutely... but it is not proof.
    Maybe someone else was driving and got out to take a piss... Ced was nice enough to move over to the driver's seat to turn the hazards on...
    I could come up with a million "what if" scenarios that don't involve Ced driving the car at all that evening and ending up behind the wheel.

    Regardless, he made a mistake... again, I hope that acknowledging and stopping the mistake carries less punishment than the "catch me if you can" mentality some have believing they aren't breaking a law unless they get caught.
    The true measure of a man is what he'd do knowing he'd never be found out.

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    Re: Cedric Griffin Gets Community Service For DUI

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    ...I hope that acknowledging and stopping the mistake carries less punishment than the "catch me if you can" mentality some have believing they aren't breaking a law unless they get caught.
    That's not a legitimate mentality?
    Damn it.
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    Re: Cedric Griffin Gets Community Service For DUI

    "BleedinPandG" wrote:
    "happy" wrote:
    "BleedinPandG" wrote:
    Someone in chat before 1 of the preseason games had mentioned he was arrested... apparently the chatter had inside info as he was absolutely sure it had happened even though I never saw a report on it.
    Looks as if his info was good.

    Frankly, I'm disappointed he was arrested.
    Maybe I'm twisting things a bit, but if the car was stopped at the side of the road, what law did he break?
    Is it illegal to sit in a running car while drunk?
    I'm by no means in favor of DUI, but to punish someone who realizes their making a mistake and immediately stops an action, I'm not sure that sits well with me.
    Well, it was stopped at the side of the road... which means he drove drunk to a certain point and pulled over. Give him credit for pulling over but shame to do it in the first place. My guess is, given he realized his mistake, he is probably okay with the punishment.
    No... it means he was sitting in a car at the side of the road... sitting in a car in no way proves you drove the car no matter where the car happens to be parked.
    Is it likely?
    Well duh, absolutely... but it is not proof.
    Maybe someone else was driving and got out to take a piss... Ced was nice enough to move over to the driver's seat to turn the hazards on...
    I could come up with a million "what if" scenarios that don't involve Ced driving the car at all that evening and ending up behind the wheel.

    Regardless, he made a mistake... again, I hope that acknowledging and stopping the mistake carries less punishment than the "catch me if you can" mentality some have believing they aren't breaking a law unless they get caught.
    It is known as the "actual physical possession" law, and it is on the books to prevent the "what if" scenarios that you are referring to.
    Run from the cops, pull into an alley, and shut the car off.
    Then claim that you weren't the one driving...

    The nice part of the law is that it does allow more leniency that an actual DUI (at least in the states I am familiar with).
    This is evident by the light sentence that Griffin received.

    Personally, if I ever came upon someone who had voluntarily pulled over or was sleeping it off in the back seat, there is no way in hell that I would process them.
    JMHO, but I think that good decisions like that should be rewarded.
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    Re: Cedric Griffin Gets Community Service For DUI

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "BleedinPandG" wrote:
    "happy" wrote:
    "BleedinPandG" wrote:
    Someone in chat before 1 of the preseason games had mentioned he was arrested... apparently the chatter had inside info as he was absolutely sure it had happened even though I never saw a report on it.
    Looks as if his info was good.

    Frankly, I'm disappointed he was arrested.
    Maybe I'm twisting things a bit, but if the car was stopped at the side of the road, what law did he break?
    Is it illegal to sit in a running car while drunk?
    I'm by no means in favor of DUI, but to punish someone who realizes their making a mistake and immediately stops an action, I'm not sure that sits well with me.
    Well, it was stopped at the side of the road... which means he drove drunk to a certain point and pulled over. Give him credit for pulling over but shame to do it in the first place. My guess is, given he realized his mistake, he is probably okay with the punishment.
    No... it means he was sitting in a car at the side of the road... sitting in a car in no way proves you drove the car no matter where the car happens to be parked.
    Is it likely?
    Well duh, absolutely... but it is not proof.
    Maybe someone else was driving and got out to take a piss... Ced was nice enough to move over to the driver's seat to turn the hazards on...
    I could come up with a million "what if" scenarios that don't involve Ced driving the car at all that evening and ending up behind the wheel.

    Regardless, he made a mistake... again, I hope that acknowledging and stopping the mistake carries less punishment than the "catch me if you can" mentality some have believing they aren't breaking a law unless they get caught.
    It is known as the "actual physical possession" law, and it is on the books to prevent the "what if" scenarios that you are referring to.
    Run from the cops, pull into an alley, and shut the car off.
    Then claim that you weren't the one driving...

    The nice part of the law is that it does allow more leniency that an actual DUI (at least in the states I am familiar with).
    This is evident by the light sentence that Griffin received.

    Personally, if I ever came upon someone who had voluntarily pulled over or was sleeping it off in the back seat, there is no way in hell that I would process them.
    JMHO, but I think that good decisions like that should be rewarded.
    maybe a really good decision would have been to realise that he was canned before even getting in the car in the first instance.
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    Re: Cedric Griffin Gets Community Service For DUI

    "PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:
    "Mr" wrote:
    "BleedinPandG" wrote:
    Someone in chat before 1 of the preseason games had mentioned he was arrested... apparently the chatter had inside info as he was absolutely sure it had happened even though I never saw a report on it.
    Looks as if his info was good.

    Frankly, I'm disappointed he was arrested.
    Maybe I'm twisting things a bit, but if the car was stopped at the side of the road, what law did he break?
    Is it illegal to sit in a running car while drunk?
    I'm by no means in favor of DUI, but to punish someone who realizes their making a mistake and immediately stops an action, I'm not sure that sits well with me.
    You can get a DUI for being asleep in the backseat of a car with the keys in your pocket.

    If you have access to the keys and are drunk in the car you can get a DUI.
    I don't know what the laws are like elsewhere but I always heard here that if the keys were out of the ignition and in a cup holder or glove compartment or something you couldn't be arrested for DUI. That's kind of bullshit that they can arrest you for making a good decision and pulling over.
    you 100% can.
    Which is why if I'm ever at a party that I plan on crashing in my car I toss my keys under the floor mat or something, that way if by the rare chance a cop were to find me, I can say my keys were inside or lost, because if your drunk and even grabbing food out of the back seat of your car, you can get booked for DUI.
    Almost happened to a couple guys I know.
    One was sleeping in the passengers seat of his car, and the other was having a smoke while listening to the radio in his car.
    Both times the cop let them off, but said he could have booked him with DUI.

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    Re: Cedric Griffin Gets Community Service For DUI

    From experience, at least by the Laws in NJ...

    If you are drunk the only way you can get a DUI is if the keys are in the ignition.

    There was one time I came out of a bar way to drunk to drive, I sat in my car while I waited on a ride from someone else to come pick me up and a cop came up to me and asked was I alright.
    I said yeah I just had too much to drink.
    He said the keys are not in your ignition are they?
    I said no, and showed him that they were in my pocket, he left and that was that.

    I also had another friend who after going to the casino plenty of night would go in his car and sleep off his drinks for the night.
    He did get a dui once when he had his keys in the ignition for the heat in the winter.
    He was told he got the dui because the keys were in the ignition.
    Since then he no longer puts his keys in the ignition if he had too much to drink.

    There is a possibility that my case was different because I was in front of the bar and it was obvious that I did not drive the car to get to my destination drunk.
    If Cedric Griffin was on the side of the highway or on the road not near a bar then it's obvious he drove there and then pulled over.
    Again the laws in MN and in NJ could be different so who knows.

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    Re: Cedric Griffin Gets Community Service For DUI

    "kelmino" wrote:
    From experience, at least by the Laws in NJ...

    If you are drunk the only way you can get a DUI is if the keys are in the ignition.

    There was one time I came out of a bar way to drunk to drive, I sat in my car while I waited on a ride from someone else to come pick me up and a cop came up to me and asked was I alright.
    I said yeah I just had too much to drink.
    He said the keys are not in your ignition are they?
    I said no, and showed him that they were in my pocket, he left and that was that.
    Its also possible that the cop wasn't a complete douche.
    He saw that you really had no intention of driving and let you be.
    I know here and most other places, as long as your in control of the vehicle (you have the keys, and are inside of it) you could be charged.

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    Re: Cedric Griffin Gets Community Service For DUI

    "C" wrote:
    "PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:
    "Mr" wrote:
    "BleedinPandG" wrote:
    Someone in chat before 1 of the preseason games had mentioned he was arrested... apparently the chatter had inside info as he was absolutely sure it had happened even though I never saw a report on it.
    Looks as if his info was good.

    Frankly, I'm disappointed he was arrested.
    Maybe I'm twisting things a bit, but if the car was stopped at the side of the road, what law did he break?
    Is it illegal to sit in a running car while drunk?
    I'm by no means in favor of DUI, but to punish someone who realizes their making a mistake and immediately stops an action, I'm not sure that sits well with me.
    You can get a DUI for being asleep in the backseat of a car with the keys in your pocket.

    If you have access to the keys and are drunk in the car you can get a DUI.
    I don't know what the laws are like elsewhere but I always heard here that if the keys were out of the ignition and in a cup holder or glove compartment or something you couldn't be arrested for DUI. That's kind of kaka del rio that they can arrest you for making a good decision and pulling over.
    Yes, you can still be arrested. You can get a DUI for riding a skateboard drunk.
    It has to be a motorized vehicle, i have heard of people getting a dui for riding a lawnmower while intoxicated but never a skateboard.
    I dont know what state you are from and how the law is there but here in Minnesota I highly doubt that is the case.

    I am not sure how the law is but I know a fella that will never be allowed to drive a vehicle again because of 7 dui's he has.
    But he is allowed to drive a motorized bike as long as the engine is below a certain amount of cc's.

    You dont drive a skateboard, you ride it.

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    Re: Cedric Griffin Gets Community Service For DUI

    You can only get
    a DWI/DUI if the key is in the ignition. Doesnt have to be running even.
    Griffin is getting better as a CB. These days 2 beers can give you a DUI.

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