Thread: Cassel or Quinn could be Vikings' next QB

"C" wrote:

"ejmat" wrote:

"C" wrote:

"cyviking" wrote:

"Storm" wrote:

Kurt Warner fricken owns. If we do get him, I'll be happy in my pants.

Warner is 37....cant we at least get someone who wont be collecting Social Security in the next few years....

Also he is very inconsistant. When he is playing well he is great but when he is playing bad he is down right horrid. I say no to Warner.

Warner is a Hall of Famer who is having an MVP year... end of story. And, I wouldn't say he's "inconsistant" either, he has one of the best QB ratings in the league right now.

Though Warner is good statistically with yards and such I don't know if I would classify him as a HOFer.
He's had about 3 or 4 good years in his career.
The rest have been bad.
JMO.

Look over his career and rethink what you just typed.

To say that is laughable. He's a first-ballot HOF'er.

First ballot?
Not a chance in hell.
I give him about a 50/50 shot on ever getting in...

He is a good QB, and has had some great years.
But as good as he was, he was still a product of the team around him IMHO.

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"C" wrote:

"ejmat" wrote:

"C" wrote:

"cyviking" wrote:

[quote author=Storm link=topic=48067.msg865357#msg865357 date=1226691536]
Kurt Warner fricken owns. If we do get him, I'll be happy in my pants.

Warner is 37....cant we at least get someone who wont be collecting Social Security in the next few years....

Also he is very inconsistant. When he is playing well he is great but when he is playing bad he is down right horrid. I say no to Warner.

Warner is a Hall of Famer who is having an MVP year... end of story. And, I wouldn't say he's "inconsistant" either, he has one of the best QB ratings in the league right now.

Though Warner is good statistically with yards and such I don't know if I would classify him as a HOFer.
He's had about 3 or 4 good years in his career.
The rest have been bad.
JMO.

Look over his career and rethink what you just typed.

To say that is laughable. He's a first-ballot HOF'er.

First ballot?
Not a chance in hell.
I give him about a 50/50 shot on ever getting in...

He is a good QB, and has had some great years.
But as good as he was, he was still a product of the team around him IMHO.
[/quote]

Two time league MVP? A Super Bowl ring?

I'm not so sure about that... name a QB (other than Brady) that deserves in more in the past 10 years... Not even Favre would make that list.

hey, remember when everyone wanted to trade for derek anderson cuz he was so awesome?
now after half a season and a completion percentage under 50 everyone thinks he stinks again.
i wouldnt mind cassel, but unless belicheck is coming with him he might be a bit risky.
alot you guys remind me of the people who vote for president just by the 30 second commercials they see on tv.

"C" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"C" wrote:

"ejmat" wrote:

"C" wrote:

[quote author=cyviking link=topic=48067.msg865362#msg865362 date=1226692212]
[quote author=Storm link=topic=48067.msg865357#msg865357 date=1226691536]
Kurt Warner fricken owns. If we do get him, I'll be happy in my pants.

Warner is 37....cant we at least get someone who wont be collecting Social Security in the next few years....

Also he is very inconsistant. When he is playing well he is great but when he is playing bad he is down right horrid. I say no to Warner.

Warner is a Hall of Famer who is having an MVP year... end of story. And, I wouldn't say he's "inconsistant" either, he has one of the best QB ratings in the league right now.

Though Warner is good statistically with yards and such I don't know if I would classify him as a HOFer.
He's had about 3 or 4 good years in his career.
The rest have been bad.
JMO.

Look over his career and rethink what you just typed.

To say that is laughable. He's a first-ballot HOF'er.

First ballot?
Not a chance in hell.
I give him about a 50/50 shot on ever getting in...

He is a good QB, and has had some great years.
But as good as he was, he was still a product of the team around him IMHO.
[/quote]

Two time league MVP? A Super Bowl ring?

I'm not so sure about that... name a QB (other than Brady) that deserves in more in the past 10 years... Not even Favre would make that list.
[/quote]

Not even Fav-re?
Seriously?

Fav-re is a three–time league MVP- the only one in NFL history.
He lead the Packers to seven division championships, four NFC Championship Games, two NFC Championships and one Super Bowl championship.
He also holds every QB record under the sun (including the bad ones).

Sorry, but Warner just doesn't have that resume.

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"C" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"C" wrote:

"ejmat" wrote:

[quote author=C Mac D link=topic=48067.msg865366#msg865366 date=1226694276]
[quote author=cyviking link=topic=48067.msg865362#msg865362 date=1226692212]
[quote author=Storm link=topic=48067.msg865357#msg865357 date=1226691536]
Kurt Warner fricken owns. If we do get him, I'll be happy in my pants.

Warner is 37....cant we at least get someone who wont be collecting Social Security in the next few years....

Also he is very inconsistant. When he is playing well he is great but when he is playing bad he is down right horrid. I say no to Warner.

Warner is a Hall of Famer who is having an MVP year... end of story. And, I wouldn't say he's "inconsistant" either, he has one of the best QB ratings in the league right now.

Though Warner is good statistically with yards and such I don't know if I would classify him as a HOFer.
He's had about 3 or 4 good years in his career.
The rest have been bad.
JMO.

Look over his career and rethink what you just typed.

To say that is laughable. He's a first-ballot HOF'er.

First ballot?
Not a chance in hell.
I give him about a 50/50 shot on ever getting in...

He is a good QB, and has had some great years.
But as good as he was, he was still a product of the team around him IMHO.
[/quote]

Two time league MVP? A Super Bowl ring?

I'm not so sure about that... name a QB (other than Brady) that deserves in more in the past 10 years... Not even Favre would make that list.
[/quote]

Not even Fav-re?
Seriously?

Fav-re is a three–time league MVP- the only one in NFL history.
He lead the Packers to seven division championships, four NFC Championship Games, two NFC Championships and one Super Bowl championship.
He also holds every QB record under the sun (including the bad ones).

Sorry, but Warner just doesn't have that resume.
[/quote]

I said over the past 10 years... Favre's 3 MVP's weren't in the past 10 years, nor was his Super Bowl. Favre has done nothing but throw picks in the past 10 years.

So, I'll ask the question again, what QB other than Tom Brady deserves the HOF more in the past 10 years.


EDIT: (I would have at least accepted Peyton Manning...)

"C" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"C" wrote:

"ejmat" wrote:

"C" wrote:

[quote author=cyviking link=topic=48067.msg865362#msg865362 date=1226692212]
[quote author=Storm link=topic=48067.msg865357#msg865357 date=1226691536]
Kurt Warner fricken owns. If we do get him, I'll be happy in my pants.

Warner is 37....cant we at least get someone who wont be collecting Social Security in the next few years....

Also he is very inconsistant. When he is playing well he is great but when he is playing bad he is down right horrid. I say no to Warner.

Warner is a Hall of Famer who is having an MVP year... end of story. And, I wouldn't say he's "inconsistant" either, he has one of the best QB ratings in the league right now.

Though Warner is good statistically with yards and such I don't know if I would classify him as a HOFer.
He's had about 3 or 4 good years in his career.
The rest have been bad.
JMO.

Look over his career and rethink what you just typed.

To say that is laughable. He's a first-ballot HOF'er.

First ballot?
Not a chance in hell.
I give him about a 50/50 shot on ever getting in...

He is a good QB, and has had some great years.
But as good as he was, he was still a product of the team around him IMHO.
[/quote]

Two time league MVP? A Super Bowl ring?

I'm not so sure about that... name a QB (other than Brady) that deserves in more in the past 10 years... Not even Favre would make that list.
[/quote]

I'll just pretend you didn't say that about Favre.

"C" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"C" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"C" wrote:

[quote author=ejmat link=topic=48067.msg865368#msg865368 date=1226694388]
[quote author=C Mac D link=topic=48067.msg865366#msg865366 date=1226694276]
[quote author=cyviking link=topic=48067.msg865362#msg865362 date=1226692212]
[quote author=Storm link=topic=48067.msg865357#msg865357 date=1226691536]
Kurt Warner fricken owns. If we do get him, I'll be happy in my pants.

Warner is 37....cant we at least get someone who wont be collecting Social Security in the next few years....

Also he is very inconsistant. When he is playing well he is great but when he is playing bad he is down right horrid. I say no to Warner.

Warner is a Hall of Famer who is having an MVP year... end of story. And, I wouldn't say he's "inconsistant" either, he has one of the best QB ratings in the league right now.

Though Warner is good statistically with yards and such I don't know if I would classify him as a HOFer.
He's had about 3 or 4 good years in his career.
The rest have been bad.
JMO.

Look over his career and rethink what you just typed.

To say that is laughable. He's a first-ballot HOF'er.

First ballot?
Not a chance in hell.
I give him about a 50/50 shot on ever getting in...

He is a good QB, and has had some great years.
But as good as he was, he was still a product of the team around him IMHO.
[/quote]

Two time league MVP? A Super Bowl ring?

I'm not so sure about that... name a QB (other than Brady) that deserves in more in the past 10 years... Not even Favre would make that list.
[/quote]

Not even Fav-re?
Seriously?

Fav-re is a three–time league MVP- the only one in NFL history.
He lead the Packers to seven division championships, four NFC Championship Games, two NFC Championships and one Super Bowl championship.
He also holds every QB record under the sun (including the bad ones).

Sorry, but Warner just doesn't have that resume.
[/quote]

I said over the past 10 years... Favre's 3 MVP's weren't in the past 10 years, nor was his Super Bowl. Favre has done nothing but throw picks in the past 10 years.

So, I'll ask the question again, what QB other than Tom Brady deserves the HOF more in the past 10 years.
[/quote]

Peyton Manning

2 sides of the argument

1)
Are you kidding me?
Kurt Warner is should be going to the hall of fame now...but if he wins another MVP, i consider him a lock.
Sure he may not have been this dominating throughout his whole career, but I mean the guy has won 2 MVPs and a superbowl and in my opinion is this year's MVP with exception to AD of course
How can you deny a man who very well may win 3 MVPs?
I wont consider him 1st ballot either, but a 2 or possibly 3x MVP with a superbowl ring is enough to fill up a hall of fame resume in my book.


2)
Ok when Warner won MVP, was he truly the MVP or was he the product of a great weapons on offense.


St. Louis- Torry Holt, Issac Bruce, Kevin Curtis, Marshall Faulk...the list goes on.
I mean they werent called the Greatest show on turf for nothin.

Arizona- Fitz, Boldin, Breaston, Tim Hightower (i think this guy could be a stud), Edge (declining).
Seriously there is some firepower in the receiver department in particular.


And look at the divisions they play in...

99' Carolina (8-8)
Falcons (5-11) Niners (4-12) Saints (3-13)

01' Carolina (1-15) Falcons (7-9) Niners (12-4)
Saints (7-9)
a little better but still niners were relying on Garcia who put together a decent stretch but they werent doing anything that year

08' eveyone else is currently (2-7)... nuff said

My opinion- put him in (not first ballot) if he wins MVP this year and take the Cardinals past the 1st round of the playoffs.
Or just a superbowl without MVP.

"marstc09" wrote:

"C" wrote:

Two time league MVP? A Super Bowl ring?

I'm not so sure about that... name a QB (other than Brady) that deserves in more in the past 10 years... Not even Favre would make that list.

I'll just pretend you didn't say that about Favre.

Based on the past 10 years?

No way Favre makes it on any list of QB's if you're just going by the past 10 years.

Favre continues to live off of his past success. He currently leads the league in Interceptions... something's he's grown accustomed to over the past decade.

"C" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"C" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"C" wrote:

[quote author=ejmat link=topic=48067.msg865368#msg865368 date=1226694388]
[quote author=C Mac D link=topic=48067.msg865366#msg865366 date=1226694276]
[quote author=cyviking link=topic=48067.msg865362#msg865362 date=1226692212]
[quote author=Storm link=topic=48067.msg865357#msg865357 date=1226691536]
Kurt Warner fricken owns. If we do get him, I'll be happy in my pants.

Warner is 37....cant we at least get someone who wont be collecting Social Security in the next few years....

Also he is very inconsistant. When he is playing well he is great but when he is playing bad he is down right horrid. I say no to Warner.

Warner is a Hall of Famer who is having an MVP year... end of story. And, I wouldn't say he's "inconsistant" either, he has one of the best QB ratings in the league right now.

Though Warner is good statistically with yards and such I don't know if I would classify him as a HOFer.
He's had about 3 or 4 good years in his career.
The rest have been bad.
JMO.

Look over his career and rethink what you just typed.

To say that is laughable. He's a first-ballot HOF'er.

First ballot?
Not a chance in hell.
I give him about a 50/50 shot on ever getting in...

He is a good QB, and has had some great years.
But as good as he was, he was still a product of the team around him IMHO.
[/quote]

Two time league MVP? A Super Bowl ring?

I'm not so sure about that... name a QB (other than Brady) that deserves in more in the past 10 years... Not even Favre would make that list.
[/quote]

Not even Fav-re?
Seriously?

Fav-re is a three–time league MVP- the only one in NFL history.
He lead the Packers to seven division championships, four NFC Championship Games, two NFC Championships and one Super Bowl championship.
He also holds every QB record under the sun (including the bad ones).

Sorry, but Warner just doesn't have that resume.
[/quote]

I said over the past 10 years... Favre's 3 MVP's weren't in the past 10 years, nor was his Super Bowl. Favre has done nothing but throw picks in the past 10 years.

So, I'll ask the question again, what QB other than Tom Brady deserves the HOF more in the past 10 years.
[/quote]

There is not a quota as to how many QBs make it in a certain amount of time.
The real question here is does Warner deserve to make the HOF?
That is a yes or no question.
Not a name someone else question.


He had 3 good seasons with the Rams from 99 -01.
Then he had 2 shit seasons with the Rams from 02 - 03.
Then he went to the Giants and sucked it up there to where he lost his starting job in the middle of the season.
He had an okay season in 2005.
Shit in 2006.
Okay in 2007 and good in 2008.

Talk about consistency.
It's just not there.
I'm not saying he isn't a good QB.
He is.
But he's been very inconsistent throughout his career.
Favre and Brady can say they've had winning seasons their entire career.
Can Warner say that?
That would be a big NO.

Not sure what you are getting at to say what I said was laughable.
IMO what you said about him being a 1st ballot HOFer is laughable in my view.
He does stand the chance to make it but he is not a sure fire bet to make it.