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    Quote Originally Posted by smegmavike View Post
    This is the voice of reason.
    It doesn't matter what scheme you run if you have a GM in synch. with the coaches, who know how to get the most out of their players. That is the successful formula, GM gets the players the coaches need to make their schemes work. That is why giving the GM the power to hire and fire coaches works.
    And the owners have to let the GM do his job.
    Sounds simple, but this is the formula for success.
    A GM is a guy who knows football. An owner is a guy who knows how to make money.
    Owner medaling is a formula for failure, as evidenced in Dallas, Redskins, and the latter years of Al Davis.
    The Tampa 2 is dead. Why? because almost no one is running the ball. The basis of the Tampa two is run support and disrupting passing places. It was (keyword) a great defense but the NFL has moved on to a very pass happy league with multiple WR fronts. When trips are run to one side, most teams check out and bounce to a man coverage. Now you have all these zone corners, playing man to man. Want to beat the cover two, run double streaks or flood the zone with a corner, out, slide combination. The movement to the spread has us in a very dated defense. Can it be successful? yes. However, you have to play the odds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    The Tampa 2 is dead. Why? because almost no one is running the ball. The basis of the Tampa two is run support and disrupting passing places. It was (keyword) a great defense but the NFL has moved on to a very pass happy league with multiple WR fronts. When trips are run to one side, most teams check out and bounce to a man coverage. Now you have all these zone corners, playing man to man. Want to beat the cover two, run double streaks or flood the zone with a corner, out, slide combination. The movement to the spread has us in a very dated defense. Can it be successful? yes. However, you have to play the odds.
    Probably why a team can't have enough good cornerbacks. The Tampa two was developed to allow teams without good coverage cornerbacks to be successful in a zone defense.
    Problem is, most good defenses use a variety of coverage schemes today. And if they have no corners that can play man, they are limited in what they can do.
    The Vikings are trying to move in that direction with the addition of Rhodes; and I really think they thought Griffen and later Cook would be able to play some man, but they were wrong.
    Robinson, Jefferson, Sherels, and even Cook, wouldn't make a lot of other teams 53 man rosters.
    The Vikings failures at cornerback are similar to their failures at Quarterback.

    Unfortunately cornerback and quarterback are two of the most important positions on the team in the current NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smegmavike View Post

    Unfortunately cornerback and quarterback are two of the most important positions on the team in the current NFL.
    Which is why a team has no other choice than to take a LT with the 4th pick in the draft

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    The Tampa 2 is dead. Why? because almost no one is running the ball. The basis of the Tampa two is run support and disrupting passing places. It was (keyword) a great defense but the NFL has moved on to a very pass happy league with multiple WR fronts. When trips are run to one side, most teams check out and bounce to a man coverage. Now you have all these zone corners, playing man to man. Want to beat the cover two, run double streaks or flood the zone with a corner, out, slide combination. The movement to the spread has us in a very dated defense. Can it be successful? yes. However, you have to play the odds.
    The Tampa 2 was tweaked to work against the WCO passing attack and not it's running attack. The DE's are supposed to apply pressure and the DT and LB's have run responsibility. You can run zone of man coverage out of the 4-3 obviously but in the end in this league what you need more than anything is speed in the LB's and speed in the secondary. The TE's are bigger, faster and more athletic and except in Minnesota the WR's are taller, faster and more athletic and you need speed to shrink the holes in the defense that you get when you spread the field out. We don't have that. Chicago runs as close as you get to a true T2 and they have one of the best defenses in the league year over year because they have had the coaching and the personnel to run it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowinapril View Post
    I meant Rhodes.
    Actually, I thought you were referring to Robinson

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    Quote Originally Posted by smegmavike View Post
    This is the voice of reason.
    It doesn't matter what scheme you run if you have a GM in synch. with the coaches, who know how to get the most out of their players. That is the successful formula, GM gets the players the coaches need to make their schemes work. That is why giving the GM the power to hire and fire coaches works.
    And the owners have to let the GM do his job.
    Sounds simple, but this is the formula for success.
    A GM is a guy who knows football. An owner is a guy who knows how to make money.
    Owner medaling is a formula for failure, as evidenced in Dallas, Redskins, and the latter years of Al Davis.

    Our GM passed on Peyton Manning because he had Ponder.

    "If at first you don't succeed, parachuting is not for you"

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    West Coast offense: Past its time

    West Coast offense: Past its time

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    Jets will run West Coast offense in 2013

    There will be two teams running a West Coast offense in the AFC East in 2013.
    Jets will run West Coast offense in 2013 - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    Our GM passed on Peyton Manning because he had Ponder.
    Manning passed on us because he didn't know if he could beat out Ponder for the starting job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    According to Tom Brady the Pats also run the WCO.

    That would make 75% in the AFCE

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