Thread: Carolina vs. Minnesota post-game
10-14-2013, 08:21 AM #41
Look at Seattle and San Francisco. They did have a few new players, but it was the coaching staff that made the big difference. Look at the Saints with Sean Payton and without him. Look at Kansas City and Philadelphia with or without Andy Reid. Look at the Vikings offense when Billick left. Look at what Jon Gruden did for quarterbacks everywhere he coached. Look at Walsh, Grant, Madden and any Superbowl team.
I know that the coaches prepare the team, but they are preparing PROFESSIONAL athletes. The guys they're preparing are full-grown adults who oftentimes know darn well how a particular set of plays should be run. However, the PLAYERS need to execute.
The Vikings were 8-8 under Bud Grant in 1983. It was a down year in player personnel because of years of low drafts (because of so many wins). When Grant left, the Vikings went 3-13. Grant came back for one season, in 1985, and the team went 7-9. Same players, different head coach, much different records.
Again, a good coaching staff cannot make up for poor players, but a good staff can get better play and more wins out of the same player personnel.
Now, play calls do usually rest on the coaching staff (or at least at the feet of the coach who's actually calling the plays). However, when things aren't going well or something doesn't work, it's easy to blame the coaching staff for poor play calls.
The defensive gameplan did not work under Frazier, and it has not worked under his minions. The Tampa 2 is outdated and difficult to have success with even with veteran players. With rookies, castoffs, and mediocre personnel, the defensive scheme is abysmal. It is a disadvantage before a single snap is played.
10-14-2013, 09:39 AM #42
Outcoached and outplayed in all phases. This team has more problems than a new QB can fix. It's just a shame that Peterson is going to go down like Sanders- a superlative back that never won a SB because he played for bad teams.
10-14-2013, 10:06 AM #43
Musgrave is just Childress 2.0. Some moron who thinks he's smarter than he actually is and can't figure out a way to get his best players involved. Hope he never coaches again in the NFL, he's a fraud.
We cannot hire from within again. We need to make a splash and get a coach who has a winning resume... no more settling for mediocre coaches and being satisfied with revenue sharing from the league to bring in money.
Honestly, I hope the Wilfs sell the team. F*ck those crooks.Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.
10-14-2013, 10:10 AM #44
10-14-2013, 10:20 AM #45
Also, 5.4 Y/A is a full 1.5 yards less than Ponder was averaging this season. Simply awful.Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.
10-14-2013, 11:09 AM #46
Defense is really got me concerned, letting the Panthers have a long 15 play opening drive, holding penalty that wipes out a sack, a couple of 4th down conversions. Later guys mixing up their zones in coverage (per Frazier post game comments) and Greenway and Rhodes getting wiped out by blocks thrown by lightweight heavy hitters like Smith and Ginn Jr....then roll in some half hearted tackling.....someone should mention to big Kev Williams and Jared Allen that they are in contract years and show casing their skills to 31 other GMs unless they think the Vikes are going to roll another 20 mill back to them next year again....at least Singletary and Frazier can lean on their SB linage and get the LB's and secondary rolling :'(
10-14-2013, 11:18 AM #47
Credit where its due tho, the Carolina Defense is way better than I thought. They were the 3rd best defense in BOTH yards and points allowed coming into this game.
Also, I feel too much blame gets thrown on our defense. They have been hampered by injuries and our Offensive Inability to sustain any drives all season. Our D has 10 sacks, 7 picks and 5 fumble recoveries and yet our offense has managed to balance that out by giving the ball to the other team 12 times as well and that doesn't even count for the Time of Possession. If you give the other team enough chances, eventually, they will beat your defense, and we have been giving the enemy way, way, way too many chances with our lack of first downs.
But it looks more and more like the whole team is giving up on this season, and that blame ultimately lies at the top with the coaches. The same zone-blitz that clogs running lanes and pressures whatever sorry passing game we trot out there has been fucking us for years without an answer, while other teams adjust and can beat this blitz, we continue to try the same ole shit with the same ole crappy results.
It is time for some passion and intensity at head coach and to take a chance on some new, innovative offensive coordinator with a whole different scheme. Do we dare try Singletary at HC and bring in somebody looking for a job like perhaps, Lane Kiffin?
Or, maybe just continue to tank it this year so we can draft a decent young QB next spring and hire some new coaches to rebuild then...?Control the line, control the time, and give your D a chance to shine!!
"Balance it on end and thats the third side of the coin!!" -wookiefoot
Given how the Vikings are currently playing (and I unfortunately agree with your comments on the team's lack of fire, passion, intensity, and ESPECIALLY adjustments), I cannot see how Spielman and the entire coaching staff survive beyond the end of 2013. At this point, this season seems lost. A very high draft pick seems likely, and I'm honestly not sure that this pick should be on a QB. Perhaps a trade-down to start overhauling our leaky defense might be in order?
10-14-2013, 01:00 PM #49
10-14-2013, 01:24 PM #50
I'm concerned about our ability to get decent FA's with this coaching staff. It's becoming so painfully obvious what the issue is. We have issues with our roster. No doubt about it, but getting our asses handed to us by the Panthers has got to be a red flag for anyone this off-season.Trying out some new forums since I got my ip banned on Purple Chat 2 weeks ago...