Thread: Is C Dan Mozes the guy?

"Schutz" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"jkjuggalo" wrote:

"VikingsTw" wrote:

"aaeyers" wrote:

[quote author=VikingsTw link=topic=43554.msg747090#msg747090 date=1206497832]
I agree but I don't see him with us past next year. He'll be the starter this year and next we'll be replacing him, will it be Mozes or another guy?

I don't see how the Vikings could possibly not resign him until he retires. He is one of the faces of this franchise, and a class act. I think they just prefer to do a deal during the season similar to how they handled Pat Williams. I think he will be around for a few more years.

I think he's overated and aging. I think its time to move on. I don't have anything against Birk, he was a good football player for us but we will be moving on. In the Redskins game Birks face was Blue, freaking blue. He's been inconsistent and at times looks out of shape getting rag dolled. I hope Birk has a good season this year but skipping these workouts is a no no in my book. Regardless if he wants a new contract or not he needs to be there. He is a so called leader right, way to set an example. On top of that he lives in the Cities.

Its always hard to say goodbye to long time favorites. All I want to do is win so it makes it easy for me, I think getting a better Center would improve our Oline. Birk has manned center the last two years in a row, it has not been impressive. How he has made the Pro Bowl is beyond me, It was not deserving only true consistent players like EJ Henderson and Winfield should make the Pro Bowl. He's making it off his name.

Yes, it is almost time to move on.
It doesn't matter if you went to Harvard, if you can't pick up an interior blitz (or just let the Bears best player walk right up the middle of the line), it is time to think about letting a fan-favorite go.
It was nice while it lasted, enjoy your last season in purple.

The problem with sites like this is that there are always a few sacred cows that can do no wrong and a few fatted calfs that are always ready for the butchers knife.

Birk is a sacred cow.

When I pinged on his play last year everyone poooo pooooed it away as not really happening or something to do with the scheme.

Truth be told, I was very suprised to see that they offered him an extension.

Said it before and I'll say it again, just replace Birks name with Christie and insert Mozes and you will have the same story we went through when that sacred cow left because his services weren't needed anymore.

Birk is still a top end Center, end of story.
The fact that he's been a loyal Vikings his entire career and never created one problem with the team while promoting the Viking brand should give him a little freaking leeway getting a new contract.

A team always wants this "loyalty" from players and are hurt when they do something wrong or aren't 100% behind the team, but when a good player and a good guy like Birk who's given his all for Minnesota wants a contract the "loyal" part goes right out the door and we start penny pinching and slicing years.
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I agree with everything you say (especially the last paragraph) except the "Top End Center" part.

Is he still pretty good?
Yes.
Has his play declined? Yes.
Will the Vikings move on?
Yes, but it won't be this year or even the next, but it will happen.

"Marrdro" wrote:

"Schutz" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"jkjuggalo" wrote:

"VikingsTw" wrote:

[quote author=aaeyers link=topic=43554.msg747092#msg747092 date=1206497935]
[quote author=VikingsTw link=topic=43554.msg747090#msg747090 date=1206497832]
I agree but I don't see him with us past next year. He'll be the starter this year and next we'll be replacing him, will it be Mozes or another guy?

I don't see how the Vikings could possibly not resign him until he retires. He is one of the faces of this franchise, and a class act. I think they just prefer to do a deal during the season similar to how they handled Pat Williams. I think he will be around for a few more years.

I think he's overated and aging. I think its time to move on. I don't have anything against Birk, he was a good football player for us but we will be moving on. In the Redskins game Birks face was Blue, freaking blue. He's been inconsistent and at times looks out of shape getting rag dolled. I hope Birk has a good season this year but skipping these workouts is a no no in my book. Regardless if he wants a new contract or not he needs to be there. He is a so called leader right, way to set an example. On top of that he lives in the Cities.

Its always hard to say goodbye to long time favorites. All I want to do is win so it makes it easy for me, I think getting a better Center would improve our Oline. Birk has manned center the last two years in a row, it has not been impressive. How he has made the Pro Bowl is beyond me, It was not deserving only true consistent players like EJ Henderson and Winfield should make the Pro Bowl. He's making it off his name.

Yes, it is almost time to move on.
It doesn't matter if you went to Harvard, if you can't pick up an interior blitz (or just let the Bears best player walk right up the middle of the line), it is time to think about letting a fan-favorite go.
It was nice while it lasted, enjoy your last season in purple.

The problem with sites like this is that there are always a few sacred cows that can do no wrong and a few fatted calfs that are always ready for the butchers knife.

Birk is a sacred cow.

When I pinged on his play last year everyone poooo pooooed it away as not really happening or something to do with the scheme.

Truth be told, I was very suprised to see that they offered him an extension.

Said it before and I'll say it again, just replace Birks name with Christie and insert Mozes and you will have the same story we went through when that sacred cow left because his services weren't needed anymore.

Birk is still a top end Center, end of story.
The fact that he's been a loyal Vikings his entire career and never created one problem with the team while promoting the Viking brand should give him a little freaking leeway getting a new contract.

A team always wants this "loyalty" from players and are hurt when they do something wrong or aren't 100% behind the team, but when a good player and a good guy like Birk who's given his all for Minnesota wants a contract the "loyal" part goes right out the door and we start penny pinching and slicing years.
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I agree with everything you say (especially the last paragraph) except the "Top End Center" part.

Is he still pretty good?
Yes.
Has his play declined? Yes.
Will the Vikings move on?
Yes, but it won't be this year or even the next, but it will happen.
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He is, the Center position is an old position in the NFL right now, and Birk still is one of the top centers that any team would love to have, and he better dang well be here through the next 3 years or so if not retire a Viking like he should.

"Schutz" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"Schutz" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"jkjuggalo" wrote:

[quote author=VikingsTw link=topic=43554.msg747101#msg747101 date=1206499021]
[quote author=aaeyers link=topic=43554.msg747092#msg747092 date=1206497935]
[quote author=VikingsTw link=topic=43554.msg747090#msg747090 date=1206497832]
I agree but I don't see him with us past next year. He'll be the starter this year and next we'll be replacing him, will it be Mozes or another guy?

I don't see how the Vikings could possibly not resign him until he retires. He is one of the faces of this franchise, and a class act. I think they just prefer to do a deal during the season similar to how they handled Pat Williams. I think he will be around for a few more years.

I think he's overated and aging. I think its time to move on. I don't have anything against Birk, he was a good football player for us but we will be moving on. In the Redskins game Birks face was Blue, freaking blue. He's been inconsistent and at times looks out of shape getting rag dolled. I hope Birk has a good season this year but skipping these workouts is a no no in my book. Regardless if he wants a new contract or not he needs to be there. He is a so called leader right, way to set an example. On top of that he lives in the Cities.

Its always hard to say goodbye to long time favorites. All I want to do is win so it makes it easy for me, I think getting a better Center would improve our Oline. Birk has manned center the last two years in a row, it has not been impressive. How he has made the Pro Bowl is beyond me, It was not deserving only true consistent players like EJ Henderson and Winfield should make the Pro Bowl. He's making it off his name.

Yes, it is almost time to move on.
It doesn't matter if you went to Harvard, if you can't pick up an interior blitz (or just let the Bears best player walk right up the middle of the line), it is time to think about letting a fan-favorite go.
It was nice while it lasted, enjoy your last season in purple.

The problem with sites like this is that there are always a few sacred cows that can do no wrong and a few fatted calfs that are always ready for the butchers knife.

Birk is a sacred cow.

When I pinged on his play last year everyone poooo pooooed it away as not really happening or something to do with the scheme.

Truth be told, I was very suprised to see that they offered him an extension.

Said it before and I'll say it again, just replace Birks name with Christie and insert Mozes and you will have the same story we went through when that sacred cow left because his services weren't needed anymore.

Birk is still a top end Center, end of story.
The fact that he's been a loyal Vikings his entire career and never created one problem with the team while promoting the Viking brand should give him a little freaking leeway getting a new contract.

A team always wants this "loyalty" from players and are hurt when they do something wrong or aren't 100% behind the team, but when a good player and a good guy like Birk who's given his all for Minnesota wants a contract the "loyal" part goes right out the door and we start penny pinching and slicing years.
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I agree with everything you say (especially the last paragraph) except the "Top End Center" part.

Is he still pretty good?
Yes.
Has his play declined? Yes.
Will the Vikings move on?
Yes, but it won't be this year or even the next, but it will happen.
[/quote]

He is, the Center position is an old position in the NFL right now, and Birk still is one of the top centers that any team would love to have, and he better dang well be here through the next 3 years or so if not retire a Viking like he should.
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Again, I agree.

In fact I believe that is the very same vergiage (or close to it) that we saw in the article Singer provided and yet, the talks broke off.

Perhaps a disagreement in money?
Not sure, Bryzcheapski usually works a pretty good deal IMHO.
Perhaps not a long enough term?
Not sure on that, most contracts aren't gauranteed.

Contracts and stuff like that aren't my forte' so I can't say for sure, but they Vikes offered and he didn't accept.
Pure speculation after all of that.

When did this whole contract extension thing happen?

I keep reading he's upset because they havn't offered him a contract extension. Or was it not enough? I don't know that any team will give him the money he wants, it will take a good consistent season next year to get big money. If he comes out and plays like a true Pro Bowler I would be inclined to change my point of veiw. Big IF though. Maybe two years removed from the surgeries is what he needs but I doubt it.

"VikingsTw" wrote:

When did this whole contract extension thing happen?

I keep reading he's upset because they havn't offered him a contract extension. Or was it not enough? I don't know that any team will give him the money he wants, it will take a good consistent season next year to get big money. If he comes out and plays like a true Pro Bowler I would be inclined to change my point of veiw. Big IF though. Maybe two years removed from the surgeries is what he needs but I doubt it.

The article didn't give a date. Just said the Vikes opened discussions and then they broke off (or words to that effect).

No. Dan Mozes is not the guy. Not yet at least.

He's a guy.

"Marrdro" wrote:

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

"jessejames09" wrote:

"Garland" wrote:

If Birk is gone Cook Will be the center. I am nopt buying into he is "To tall" since when is any OL too tall? Its kindof like when a Ol that was over 300 lbs was considered "too big"

Tarvaris would have a hard time seeing over cook.

Relax, my friend,

Don't you think the Chiller and Co. have been thinking through this already? You have already seen the beginnings of the solution to Cook being too tall when TJ gave us a glimpse of the future when he unveiled that jump pass. See, all of you yutz's got all over him about his poor decision making when instead it was the Chiller adjusting his QB's mechanics to adapt to a taller center in the future.

It's all about anticipation and preparation my friend.

Uffda my friend.
That one is had me actually snorting in the cube.
;D

I used my best MarrSpeak on that one. I think I did a very commendable job of hitting on all of the subtleties.

"Mr" wrote:

He's a guy.

lol, well said Anderson

Still don't know a lot about this kid, but you can bet I will be watching closely during the preseason.