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    Quote Originally Posted by tastywaves View Post
    I thought Sanford improved quite a bit this year and playing next to Smith this position went from a huge liability last year to respectable this year.

    Raymond on the other hand took about 4 steps backwards. When he did get a chance to play he looked completely lost. I think this guy will be fighting hard to make the roster next year. Never saw enough of Blanton to form an opinion on the guy.

    On the CB side, I think we will continue to look for players this year to add depth and competition. Cook hasn't shown he can stay on the field consistently, so you need a good backup for him. AW is probably into his last year. Robinson showed some promise last year and may step into a solid starter. Jefferson, despite the heavy criticism of many on this site, is a very solid depth CB. He lacks aggression in run support and needs to learn how to make a play on the ball, but I think he has the best cover skills on our team. That's why you see the guy continuing to get all the reps. Sherels was a huge liability in coverage, only on the team because of his return abilities. Burton is just a body, not even sure what type of body he has, can't remember the last time I've seen it.

    Last year they brought in two senior FA corner's that they had no doubt expected to step into one of the starter roles as they brought Robinson along. When that plan fell to shit, Robinson was promoted and they scrambled to find another guy on the market (Jefferson).
    I agree with every bit of this. In addition, Cook is fairly solid when he is on the field but doesn't appear to have the potential to be great.
    Robinson has speed and potential , rarely gets beat deep, but doesn't contest many passes. I expect him to improve, however.
    I would like to see another corner drafted this year and Raymond replaced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tastywaves View Post
    Picking early vs late only translates to one extra quality pick.
    What you get is better quality at every round until the talent level is gone.

    Yep, you can like your insinuating, get a quality player at #1 & at #32, but I'd rather have & would have better odds getting a higher quality player picking first rather than last. Likewise, your odds of getting a higher quality player picking 33rd are better than at 64th.

    You can look at it as an extra quality pick if you want to twist it that way, but then not only should you hopefully get the better cream of the crop, you get that extra quality player as well & your odds of getting more starters increases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    What you get is better quality at every round until the talent level is gone.

    Yep, you can like your insinuating, get a quality player at #1 & at #32, but I'd rather have & would have better odds getting a higher quality player picking first rather than last. Likewise, your odds of getting a higher quality player picking 33rd are better than at 64th.

    You can look at it as an extra quality pick if you want to twist it that way, but then not only should you hopefully get the better cream of the crop, you get that extra quality player as well & your odds of getting more starters increases.
    Your missing out on a high first round pick, that's it. Everything else just slides.

    Now, obviously, missing that early first round pick is pretty huge, but don't play it like we lose out on every round. It's just that first pick.

    If it helps, think of the #23 pick as our early 2nd rounder and our late 2nd rounder is our early 3rd rounder,.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by tastywaves View Post
    Your missing out on a high first round pick, that's it. Everything else just slides.

    Now, obviously, missing that early first round pick is pretty huge, but don't play it like we lose out on every round. It's just that first pick.

    If it helps, think of the #23 pick as our early 2nd rounder and our late 2nd rounder is our early 3rd rounder,.......
    I understood what you're saying, but missing that first high pick is monumental. Don't play it like it's only 1 mere pick difference.

    With that said, how good would our next 5 drafts be if we never had a 1st round pick compared to having 5 drafts with a high first round pick?

    Pretty sure it's more probable to get more quality players with the latter, which is the original point of our discussion.

    Drafting Kalil, Smith & Robinson, looks much better than drafting Smith, Robinson & Wright.
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    The high draft picks are nice but you have to suck to get them.

    Cleveland picks high every year for the most part and still suck every year.

    You need to find your QB however it takes and then just draft talent around them wherever your pick lands.

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    Boldin = 6 catches/ 100 yards/ 1 td = Washed up
    Jones Td/ Return TD - insignificant signing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    Boldin = 6 catches/ 100 yards/ 1 td = Washed up
    But, but Spielman, Childress & co. got better value keeping Berrian, resigning Lewis & inking Freddie Brown, Logan Payne & Marko Mitchell instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    Boldin = 6 catches/ 100 yards/ 1 td = Washed up
    Jones Td/ Return TD - insignificant signing.
    Birk + McKinney=2 FA OL that got them a SB win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    Boldin = 6 catches/ 100 yards/ 1 td = Washed up
    Jones Td/ Return TD - insignificant signing.
    Nobody said that Boldin was washed up. Nobody said that Jones was not a good signing.

    The simply fact is you stated building through the draft is a myth and used these teams as examples. Both of these teams CLEARLY built through the draft and added other pieces.

    Building through the draft is a myth might or might not be an accurate statement. But stating that these teams did not build through the draft is not an opinion. It is flat out wrong. They both built through the draft and did so in excellent fashion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tastywaves View Post
    I thought Sanford improved quite a bit this year and playing next to Smith this position went from a huge liability last year to respectable this year.

    Raymond on the other hand took about 4 steps backwards. When he did get a chance to play he looked completely lost. I think this guy will be fighting hard to make the roster next year. Never saw enough of Blanton to form an opinion on the guy.

    On the CB side, I think we will continue to look for players this year to add depth and competition. Cook hasn't shown he can stay on the field consistently, so you need a good backup for him. AW is probably into his last year. Robinson showed some promise last year and may step into a solid starter. Jefferson, despite the heavy criticism of many on this site, is a very solid depth CB. He lacks aggression in run support and needs to learn how to make a play on the ball, but I think he has the best cover skills on our team. That's why you see the guy continuing to get all the reps. Sherels was a huge liability in coverage, only on the team because of his return abilities. Burton is just a body, not even sure what type of body he has, can't remember the last time I've seen it.

    Last year they brought in two senior FA corner's that they had no doubt expected to step into one of the starter roles as they brought Robinson along. When that plan fell to shit, Robinson was promoted and they scrambled to find another guy on the market (Jefferson).
    Interesting tidbit I found on Jamarca that I can't validate because the cat referenced something he can access because of his subscription.

    Jamarca Sanford is less obvious, but he is definitely a starting quality safety who has gone underappreciated by the fanbase for his play this year, largely due to his terrible play in 2011. His 2012 campaign more than made up for it, however, and his ability to force fumbles has helped the Vikings tremendously (he led the team in forced fumbles with four).
    He is a bit above average in coverage, but it's his tackling that makes him such a valuable safety. He ranked third among safeties in run stop percentage by Pro Football Focus (subscription), a measure that determines how many of a player's tackles were losses for the offense. He also was better than most starting safeties in tackling efficiency—a metric for figuring out how often a player misses tackles.
    Mapping out the Blueprint for a Vikings Super Bowl Run in 2013- 2014 | Bleacher Report

    Question is, why are so many fans (especially on this site) so adamant that a cat like Sanford sucks when he really grades out pretty damn high? Is it because they just have it in for the guy or is it something else.

    Again, I really believe that us fans really don't understand the intricacies of play at a few positions (DB, LB and OL).

    LB for instance. Most on here automatically say that Jasper sucks in coverage, but are they taking into account his pre-snap alignment? Is he up at the line in what looks like a blitz mode and because of that, is automatically 3 steps behind were he should be if he is supposed to drop into coverage?

    I watched Jasper close this year. If he was allowed to line up in his normal location he was fine in coverage.
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