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    Sources: Percy Harvin's lack of confidence in Christian Ponder was final straw for Vikings


    Percy Harvin wanted two things this offseason: money and a better quarterback.
    On Monday, Harvin got closer to both when the Minnesota Vikings reportedly dealt him to the Seattle Seahawks for three draft picks. According to Jay Glazer of Fox Sports, the Vikings get a first- and seventh-round pick this year, and a mid-round pick in 2014 for Harvin.
    That's a nice haul for a unique player with both wide receiver and running back skills. The problem for Minnesota, though, was that it found Harvin to also illustrate a uniquely disruptive attitude.


    According to two sources, the straw that broke the Vikings' back with Harvin is when he bemoaned the fact that quarterback Christian Ponder, a 2011 first-round pick, was not good enough. That came even though Ponder consistently fed Harvin the ball.
    Last season, Harvin had team highs of 62 catches for 677 yards, and added three touchdowns before suffering a season-ending injury in the Vikings' ninth game.
    Now, Harvin goes to Seattle, which has wunderkind quarterback Russell Wilson. Wilson not only pushed Robert Griffin III for Rookie of the Year this season, but also happens to have a lot in common with Harvin. Both are 24 and grew up in the eastern part of Virginia: Harvin from Virginia Beach and Wilson from Richmond.
    In other words, they have known of each other for a long time and there's enough respect between the two that Harvin likely won't create more trouble. Wilson is probably one of the few people who can keep Harvin in line.
    Maybe.
    In trading for Harvin, Seattle is taking on a guy who is loaded with issues. Harvin was difficult to deal with in college, reportedly failed a drug test at the NFL scouting combine in 2009 and threatened to walk out on the Vikings last offseason in displeasure over his contract.
    Then there are the reports that he got into a minor altercation with Vikings coach Leslie Frazier last season when Minnesota put him on injured reserve in December. Frazier is one of the classiest, nicest men in football, just about the last coach you could imagine getting into a fight with a player.

    Throw on top of that his complaints about Ponder and you have a guy who is as much misanthrope as mismatch. Harvin is a great player once you get to Sunday. It's the rest of the week that he is hard to manage.
    With most human beings, rewarding that kind of behavior with more money only makes the behavior worse, not better. That means that Wilson and Seattle coach Pete Carroll, one of the most unceasingly positive people in the NFL, must find a way to keep Harvin in line even they though have little authority over him based on the contract he just negotiated.
    The exact amount of that contract is unknown as of the moment, but Harvin was seeking a deal just south of Calvin Johnson (eight years, $132 million) and Larry Fitzgerald (eight years, $120 million). Whether Harvin got to $14 million or only $10 million, the point is that he's essentially a lot richer today than he was yesterday.
    And as the saying goes, mo' money, mo' problems.
    At least that's the potential with Harvin. At the same time, he can be flat-out dominant when put next to a quarterback like Wilson. In college, Harvin teamed with Tim Tebow to win a BCS title during the 2008 season. Harvin lined up everywhere that season, but was particularly effective when lined up in the backfield next to Tebow, where defenses had to pick their poison of who to stop.

    Harvin makes the receiving corps of Sidney Rice and Golden Tate more respectable. He also takes stress off running back Marshawn Lynch because defenses won't be able to load up on the run. Wilson's ability to run the read-option just got even better.
    But it all comes with a concern.
    What is Harvin going to want next?

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    A player like Boldin for a 6th is a steal. Even if he becomes a FA...I would gladly pay him 6 million a year for 3 more years.

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    Trade away Percy and somehow convince the fanbase that Danny Amendola was our best option? Yeah... that sounds like Spielman. Cruz or bust! Bring the salsa dance to Minnesota.

    Sorry Rick! Keep up the good work.

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    Looks like we kinda know what some of Harvin's issues were with the Vikings. Can't say that I blame him in that aspect, but the guy could have went about it in a different way. We don't hear AD saying anything about Ponder, even though we would have to assume that he feels the same way. Hell, even we fans feel the same way.

    Wonder if maybe AD is starting to feel like Barry Sanders 2.0? The Vikings better do something and quick to not waste this guys career. I feel bad for AD, all that talent and the front office still can't get it right. GB would have won a few titles by now if they had AD on their team, just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VikesfaninWis View Post
    Yeah, like the Vikings couldn't have offered a 5th or 6th rd pick for Boldin? Our 6th rd pick would have been better than the 49ers for obvious reasons. I would have to assume that the Ravens asked the Vikings for their 6th rd pick to sweeten the deal, but the Vikings declined.

    Hope that means they are seriously targeting a different high profile WR. If they aren't, something is seriously wrong with this front office. The Vikings only had 1 real threat last season, and that was the headcase Harvin. With trading him and releasing Jenkins, the Vikings basically have High School talent at the WR position now.

    Not to mention that Peterson was on Twitter voicing his displeasure of the Harvin trade. It was best for the team to trade him, but I am sure that the two of them were close friends and Peterson is pissed off about the traded. Need to do something to keep your star player, and the fans happy. Your deal Spielman.
    It's also possible Boldin has no desire to come to MN. SanFran is a much sexier destination for him.

    The same could very well be true for Cruz, Wallace, Jennings or any other high profile guy on the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VikesfaninWis View Post
    Sources: Percy Harvin's lack of confidence in Christian Ponder was final straw for Vikings...
    From that article...

    Harvin is a great player once you get to Sunday. It's the rest of the week that he is hard to manage.
    Probably the best way to sum up Harvin that I have seen.

    Seattle got a great player who is also a pain in the ass. The picks were worth more to the Vikings than the player, but it is possible that it will be the other way around for Seattle. Quite possibly a win-win here, which you don't see very often.
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

    =Z=

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    Quote Originally Posted by VikesfaninWis View Post
    Sources: Percy Harvin's lack of confidence in Christian Ponder was final straw for Vikings


    Percy Harvin wanted two things this offseason: money and a better quarterback.
    On Monday, Harvin got closer to both when the Minnesota Vikings reportedly dealt him to the Seattle Seahawks for three draft picks. According to Jay Glazer of Fox Sports, the Vikings get a first- and seventh-round pick this year, and a mid-round pick in 2014 for Harvin.
    That's a nice haul for a unique player with both wide receiver and running back skills. The problem for Minnesota, though, was that it found Harvin to also illustrate a uniquely disruptive attitude.
    We were all mad about the money demands. But was he off base about Ponder? I don't think so. Let's remember that Christian missed just as many playoff games as Percy did this year. We are putting all faith behind a REACH that has proven NOTHING. Percy may have been a pain in the ass, but he was a damn good football player. Rick better have a lot more up his sleeve than a few more draft picks. The first was great. More than I thought we would get. But we aren't a rebuilding team anymore. Evidenced by Adrian's displeasure with this trade!

    Sorry Rick! Keep up the good work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MulletMullitia View Post
    Trade away Percy and somehow convince the fanbase that Danny Amendola was our best option? Yeah... that sounds like Spielman. Cruz or bust! Bring the salsa dance to Minnesota.
    Not Cruz or bust, but I smell what you are stepping in. One would have to think now that Greg Jennings can see what is happening here, and the fact that AD is not happy with the Harvin deal, that he will not sign here now. If that is the case, they have to trade for a WR that has no say so if they come to this team. Right now, this team is a PR nightmare with not having any kind of passing game, and they play in a passing league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VikesfaninWis View Post
    Sources: Percy Harvin's lack of confidence in Christian Ponder was final straw for Vikings


    Percy Harvin wanted two things this offseason: money and a better quarterback.
    On Monday, Harvin got closer to both when the Minnesota Vikings reportedly dealt him to the Seattle Seahawks for three draft picks. According to Jay Glazer of Fox Sports, the Vikings get a first- and seventh-round pick this year, and a mid-round pick in 2014 for Harvin.
    That's a nice haul for a unique player with both wide receiver and running back skills. The problem for Minnesota, though, was that it found Harvin to also illustrate a uniquely disruptive attitude.


    According to two sources, the straw that broke the Vikings' back with Harvin is when he bemoaned the fact that quarterback Christian Ponder, a 2011 first-round pick, was not good enough. That came even though Ponder consistently fed Harvin the ball.
    Last season, Harvin had team highs of 62 catches for 677 yards, and added three touchdowns before suffering a season-ending injury in the Vikings' ninth game.
    Now, Harvin goes to Seattle, which has wunderkind quarterback Russell Wilson. Wilson not only pushed Robert Griffin III for Rookie of the Year this season, but also happens to have a lot in common with Harvin. Both are 24 and grew up in the eastern part of Virginia: Harvin from Virginia Beach and Wilson from Richmond.
    In other words, they have known of each other for a long time and there's enough respect between the two that Harvin likely won't create more trouble. Wilson is probably one of the few people who can keep Harvin in line.
    Maybe.
    In trading for Harvin, Seattle is taking on a guy who is loaded with issues. Harvin was difficult to deal with in college, reportedly failed a drug test at the NFL scouting combine in 2009 and threatened to walk out on the Vikings last offseason in displeasure over his contract.
    Then there are the reports that he got into a minor altercation with Vikings coach Leslie Frazier last season when Minnesota put him on injured reserve in December. Frazier is one of the classiest, nicest men in football, just about the last coach you could imagine getting into a fight with a player.

    Throw on top of that his complaints about Ponder and you have a guy who is as much misanthrope as mismatch. Harvin is a great player once you get to Sunday. It's the rest of the week that he is hard to manage.
    With most human beings, rewarding that kind of behavior with more money only makes the behavior worse, not better. That means that Wilson and Seattle coach Pete Carroll, one of the most unceasingly positive people in the NFL, must find a way to keep Harvin in line even they though have little authority over him based on the contract he just negotiated.
    The exact amount of that contract is unknown as of the moment, but Harvin was seeking a deal just south of Calvin Johnson (eight years, $132 million) and Larry Fitzgerald (eight years, $120 million). Whether Harvin got to $14 million or only $10 million, the point is that he's essentially a lot richer today than he was yesterday.
    And as the saying goes, mo' money, mo' problems.
    At least that's the potential with Harvin. At the same time, he can be flat-out dominant when put next to a quarterback like Wilson. In college, Harvin teamed with Tim Tebow to win a BCS title during the 2008 season. Harvin lined up everywhere that season, but was particularly effective when lined up in the backfield next to Tebow, where defenses had to pick their poison of who to stop.
    Harvin makes the receiving corps of Sidney Rice and Golden Tate more respectable. He also takes stress off running back Marshawn Lynch because defenses won't be able to load up on the run. Wilson's ability to run the read-option just got even better.
    But it all comes with a concern.
    What is Harvin going to want next?
    Getting the ball a lot as a WR doesn't mean that you are happy. A l

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    Quote Originally Posted by MulletMullitia View Post
    We were all mad about the money demands. But was he off base about Ponder? I don't think so. Let's remember that Christian missed just as many playoff games as Percy did this year. We are putting all faith behind a REACH that has proven NOTHING. Percy may have been a pain in the ass, but he was a damn good football player. Rick better have a lot more up his sleeve than a few more draft picks. The first was great. More than I thought we would get. But we aren't a rebuilding team anymore. Evidenced by Adrian's displeasure with this trade!

    I hear ya man. I am the last one to support Ponder, I still think he is the biggest pussy of a pro sports player to not play in that playoff game. Several QB's have played with worse injuries, and he bowed out. I just hope that AD doesn't ask for a trade now, could anyone really blame him if he does? The guy is great, and wants to win a SB. Sadly, I don't believe that will be here.

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