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    Re:Brad Childress is going to cost us the Super Bo

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    Sure he could. That isn't me piling on Brad it is just that Sean Payton is pretty damn good and so is Greg Williams.

    Despite our record the play calling has still been a little feast or famine at times.
    Oh c'mon ... really? What makes Sean Payton any better than Brad Childress?

    Payton has shit away the last two seasons despite having better talent than the rest of his division. He is reckless and cares ONLY about the offensive side of the ball.

    While Chilly is more offensive minded at least he has had DCs in here to do good work.

    Payton was on the hot seat until Gregg Williams got in town and saved his tail.
    These two things in my head that are called eyes.

    I would take the pairing of Payton/Williams over Childress/Frazier.

    I really don't give a rats behind about what either coach has done in years past since this thread is about THIS SEASON.
    Lol ... getting worked up are we?

    Of course it is about this season ... so I guess Payton/Williams are automatically better because they are 11-0? That is ridiculous. Belichick is still a better coach than most of the league despite being 7-5.

    Besides, what exactly makes Payton/Williams better than Childress/Frazier? Other than the fact that you have eyes. That does not seem to be a very good argument.

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    Re:Brad Childress is going to cost us the Super Bowl.

    I will say this. Winning the SB is sometimes about timing and last year I feel was our best chance to win a SB when you look at the strength of the league. We were a QB away from being SB champs last season. We fixed that this year and we also fixed the OL, but the strength of the league changed and what was good enough to win the SB last year might not be enough to win a conference championship this year.

    We have the talent to win the SB and i fully expect it to happen this year under Childress. If it doesn't happen this year it is much less likely to ever happen again considering the talent we have and the fact that we will begin losing some of that in the next few years due to retirement and FA.Lets just hope it all comes together.

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    Re:Brad Childress is going to cost us the Super Bo

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    I will say this. Winning the SB is sometimes about timing and last year I feel was our best chance to win a SB when you look at the strength of the league. We were a QB away from being SB champs last season. We fixed that this year and we also fixed the OL, but the strength of the league changed and what was good enough to win the SB last year might not be enough to win a conference championship this year.

    We have the talent to win the SB and i fully expect it to happen this year under Childress. If it doesn't happen this year it is much less likely to ever happen again considering the talent we have and the fact that we will begin losing some of that in the next few years due to retirement and FA.Lets just hope it all comes together.
    Oh ... now that is being a little overdramatic. We don't win this year and we will likely NEVER have another shot? C'mon now. I want to win this season as well, but we will still have plenty of chances in the future.

    And while this team may have cruised to a Super Bowl last season ... I would rather win this year among great teams than be the champ among average teams.

    The winner this year is going to be legendary ... one of the best teams of all time. Skol to that being the Minnesota Vikings.

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    Re:Brad Childress is going to cost us the Super Bowl.

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    Well I think you can make arguments on either side that can carry water. You can argue that it's Childress's system finally coming together or on the other side it's just the Brett Favre effect of what this team would be with a hall of fame QB. Coaching is just one side of the question anyways. A SB winner is a combination of lucky/skilled moves by the front office, coaches preparing the players in practice and preparing a game plan, and players on a year to year basis of executing what is asked of them.

    With that 3 sided beast to win the super bowl I also believe that one side can be at such a high level as to make up for any deficiencies in the other. Love him or hate him Bill Bellicheck has run out a SB caliber team for many many years. Some of that can be attributed to Tom Brady but every year it seems the media says the Patriots are getting too old and are going to fall down, they don't. Which leads us back to the Vikings.

    There has been a great stock piling of talent that has happened by the front office over the years and one heck of a defense at times. This has been followed by a team improving year to year. How much that has to do with Personnel compared to coaching is hard to tell. All I know is Brett Favre has stepped in at QB and made this team look like a Super Bowl worthy contender. Did the players just happen to get the system down or did it just take a Hall of Famer to execute it? Or to look at it further is it Brett Favre making the system work or would this unit of guys on offense do just as well with any other Coach calling the shots week to week?

    Childress will define himself this year one way or another. I think the Vikings will be in the NFC championship game against the Saints. That is the kind of matchup legends are born out of. I think if Childress can come out and show that his players are ready and finding holes in the other team he will have cemented his spot in Vikings history. On the other hand if the Vikes come out and fail to move the ball and have plays like 3rd and 10 draw runs I think Childress will be left holding the bag.

    So to answer the question, yes I think Childress could cost us the Super Bowl. Just look at what happened what Denny Green decided to play not to lose. I have been a critic of Childress since he was hired, and I am still unconvinced as to he being the reason the Vikings are doing so well. But I think he can maybe change my mind a little bit by the end of the Super Bowl.
    Good post. But, you honestly expect the Vikings (much less ANY team) to convert on every single third down? Why even have a punter on the roster, then?

    Like they say to QB's who try too hard to make something out of nothing (T-Jack in his inability to throw the ball away), you can't have them all.. It's ok to punt. And in our case as Viking fans, it puts our pretty stellar defense on the field.

    A LOT of teams run draw or short yardage plays (most are high percentage plays, too) on 3rd and long. It's just apart of the game. To expect him to try to convert it every time, I think, is a bit careless. Especially if you run a high risk play to do so. Or a 11 yard play, in which the defense will be defending almost exclusively against.

    Short yardage plays on 3rd and long drive me just as crazy as the next fan.. But I also understand why the call them.
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    Re:Brad Childress is going to cost us the Super Bowl.

    Going 10-6 with Tavaris Jackson, And Gus Frerotte at QB is much more impressive than going 8-8 with the number one offense and Brees at QB. This is why Chilly and Frazier are better in my opinion, Midgensa is exactly right on Payton being on the hot seat, You don't decline in record every year and go 8-8 with the number one offense-Then a new defensive coach arrives, Their D improves in every category, Now they are 11-0, Payton gets no credit for that, Why would he?

    Chillys made some questionable calls once in a while but they've drafted good the last few years, Have improved, and are now 10-1, I neither give him all the credit or all the blame for every mistake. This is his first head coaching job, Coming from Andy Reid and his very successful system I think he's doing fine.

    In his 4 years we've gone 6-10, 8-8, 10-6, and now 10-1, our offense has gone from 26th, 15th, 12th, now 2nd in pts. our Defense has gone 14th, 12th, 13th, now 8th, Are we really that desperate for someone to bash in a 10-1 year??
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    Re:Brad Childress is going to cost us the Super Bowl.

    Childress is actually a geniues. He just is'nt showing the other teams what we got when it comes to this stuff. Childress has the highest IQ of all coaches.
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    Re:Brad Childress is going to cost us the Super Bo

    midgensa wrote:
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    I will say this. Winning the SB is sometimes about timing and last year I feel was our best chance to win a SB when you look at the strength of the league. We were a QB away from being SB champs last season. We fixed that this year and we also fixed the OL, but the strength of the league changed and what was good enough to win the SB last year might not be enough to win a conference championship this year.

    We have the talent to win the SB and i fully expect it to happen this year under Childress. If it doesn't happen this year it is much less likely to ever happen again considering the talent we have and the fact that we will begin losing some of that in the next few years due to retirement and FA.Lets just hope it all comes together.
    Oh ... now that is being a little overdramatic. We don't win this year and we will likely NEVER have another shot? C'mon now. I want to win this season as well, but we will still have plenty of chances in the future.

    And while this team may have cruised to a Super Bowl last season ... I would rather win this year among great teams than be the champ among average teams.

    The winner this year is going to be legendary ... one of the best teams of all time. Skol to that being the Minnesota Vikings.
    Talk about overdramatic. Did I in fact type never or much less likely? Did I say we wouldn't have chances in the future? Not that I can find. But I did say we would be doing it without some of the key talent we have now. If you disagree and believe every player will be with us forever I guess we will disagree.

    As far as your idea of winning this year among great teams vs winning against average teams, the ONLY thing that is remembered is the winner of the SB, not how great the team was they beat.The rest of your post gave me flashbacks of the We are the world video. Like I said, I hope we win, but it will be much, much more difficult to do this year than it was last year.

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    Re:Brad Childress is going to cost us the Super Bo

    Purple Floyd wrote:
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    I will say this. Winning the SB is sometimes about timing and last year I feel was our best chance to win a SB when you look at the strength of the league. We were a QB away from being SB champs last season. We fixed that this year and we also fixed the OL, but the strength of the league changed and what was good enough to win the SB last year might not be enough to win a conference championship this year.

    We have the talent to win the SB and i fully expect it to happen this year under Childress. If it doesn't happen this year it is much less likely to ever happen again considering the talent we have and the fact that we will begin losing some of that in the next few years due to retirement and FA.Lets just hope it all comes together.
    Oh ... now that is being a little overdramatic. We don't win this year and we will likely NEVER have another shot? C'mon now. I want to win this season as well, but we will still have plenty of chances in the future.

    And while this team may have cruised to a Super Bowl last season ... I would rather win this year among great teams than be the champ among average teams.

    The winner this year is going to be legendary ... one of the best teams of all time. Skol to that being the Minnesota Vikings.
    Talk about overdramatic. Did I in fact type never or much less likely? Did I say we wouldn't have chances in the future? Not that I can find. But I did say we would be doing it without some of the key talent we have now. If you disagree and believe every player will be with us forever I guess we will disagree.

    As far as your idea of winning this year among great teams vs winning against average teams, the ONLY thing that is remembered is the winner of the SB, not how great the team was they beat.The rest of your post gave me flashbacks of the We are the world video. Like I said, I hope we win, but it will be much, much more difficult to do this year than it was last year.
    What are you talking about? We actually have a quarterback who can win us some games this year as we have already seen. Our chance was not better last year and to even think that way is ridiculous.

    I hope the Saints and Colts both stay undefeated so when we kick the snot out of them we will go down as the best team to ever win a superbowl.

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    Like I said, I hope we win, but it will be much, much more difficult to do this year than it was last year.
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    While I agree that this year will be harder as far as other teams being dominating also goes, I can't possibly think we have less of a chance of winning than last year, The Colts and Saints have both looked very beatable at times, Just because the Saints beat the Pats (Who lost to the Jets , and Broncos) they're now being anointed "The Best" Please! The difference between 11-0 and 10-1 is two freak defensive plays by Pittsburgh-(Remember we dominated them in every aspect of that game) All three top teams this year have squeaked by a few games, Us-49'ers, and Ravens, Indy-Pats, Texans, Ravens, Saints-Rams??, Miami, Carolina. As far as I'm concerned, any one of us can win it.
    Even if the Vikings lose, I can still find happiness in Bears, and Packer losses.

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    Re:Brad Childress is going to cost us the Super Bo

    Honestly, what scares me is the safety play, Strength of Schedule, and believe it or not, AD.

    Safety play because we seem to give up a lot of big plays that could cost us against teams like the Saints, Colt, Patriots...etc.

    SOS because we may start to think we are hot shit, but when you look back on the season, we lost to the steelers and damn near lost to the Ravens and Niners. We play in one of the weakest divisions and also have played the Browns. Kind of scares me that we have lost and just barely escaped our games against better teams.

    AD because of the FUMBLES. It could end up costing us big time. He is a hell of a playmaker and IDK if I would trade him for anyone in the league, but these fumbles are his kryptonite and could end up being ours as well.
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