Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 47
  1. #11
    cyviking's Avatar
    cyviking is offline Starter Spectromancer: Gamer's Pack Champion
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Posts
    233

    Re: Is Brad Childress Any Better Than Mike Tice?

    Its too early to tell who the better coach is, give BC a couple seasons. He may be better (I sure hope so) or he may be worse.
    While compairing this years record to last year has some value it would be even more appropriate to campaire this teams record to Mike Tice's first year.

    You could make an arguement that one coach has/had more talent on the team thier first year but talent does not equal wins, and schedule difficulty also plays a part but any 1 team can beat another on any given sunday so hopefully coaching ability is the main factor in the compairison.
    "Lurker" turned Poster
    2005-06 The Lost Vikings

  2. #12
    Ltrey33 is offline Jersey Retired
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Posts
    8,618

    Re: Is Brad Childress Any Better Than Mike Tice?

    "greenway_alltheway" wrote:


    Once Johnson was starting last year we went 7-2.
    You can say they were all against $hitty teams, but they were the same types of teams that we have been losing to lately.
    I'm not comparing how we did in Tice's first year compared to Brad's first year, those are different teams.
    I'm comparing the direction Tice had us going at the end of last year compared to how Brad has us going this year.
    I don't see how anyone couldn't say that we didn't upgrade our talent level.
    We made significant upgrades on defense, the O-Line, and the running game.
    The only spot we didn't upgrade was the WR position.
    Nobody can act like we aren't more talented this year.
    Maybe I was crazy for expecting this team to improve on their win total from last year when we had a more talented team.
    The way a lot of people talked about Tice you would expect us to pickup a couple of games just by getting rid of him, even if we hadn't improved our talent level.
    Don't get me wrong, I don't think Tice is Bud Grant or anything, I just don't think we are doing any better under Childress, in fact we are doing worse.
    Granted, Childress is only halfway through his first year, but the team is getting worse under him, not better.
    If you say experience is what he needs, then shouldn't the team be getting better as the year goes on and not worse.
    It's almost like the more the team gets used to how Childress wants things done the worse we do.
    Hopefully that trend will not continue.

    I do think we are far from out of this thing.
    I think we have a good enough team to overcome Brad's conservative play calling.
    Hopefully he will figure out that a three yard pass on third and 10 is not the answer.
    If we get a holding penalty on first and 10 you can pretty much kiss our chances of getting a first down goodbye.
    We often don't even try to pickup the first down.
    I also think we will be better off once Childress figures out that it's alright to take some shots into the endzone once in a while.
    Even down in the redzone he will have us running routes well short of the endzone or a first down.
    About the only time he likes to air it out is on 4th and 1.
    I will tell you who is doing better this year though, and that is the Eagles offense.
    They are #1 in the league right now after finishing #19 last year.
    First of all, the thing about the Eagles offense is an unfair statement. Last year T.O. had that team torn apart from the get go and on top of that McNabb only played 9 games. The games he DID play, he played most of them with a hernia, which I don't think makes you the most effective QB you can be. You can't really put much of the responsibility on Childress when McNabb misses 7 games and Westbrook misses 4.

    You say the team is getting worse, not better, but I think that has a lot to do with this being Childress's first year. At first, we were taking teams by surprise. We had a brand new scheme, no one knew how our play-calling would go and no one knew that our secondary was so easy to burn. After a few games teams have more film on us and teams have tried more approaches to beat us, and between the Patsies and the Packers they seem to have found something. Now it's up to Childress to adjust to what they're throwing at him, and expecting him to do that immediately in his first year as a head coach in the NFL is an unfair expectation.

  3. #13
    tastywaves's Avatar
    tastywaves is offline Ring of Fame
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Posts
    3,859

    Re: Is Brad Childress Any Better Than Mike Tice?

    Mike Tice proved to me that he was not head coach material, the team was going nowhere.
    The Childress verdict is still out, I didn't ride Tice too hard until his 3rd and 4th years because I liked the meathead and I was cheering for him.
    He just never seemed to improve from one year to the next (I would argue he got worse as he kept doubting what he was doing).
    Childress may have a shorter leash with me, but I'll at least give him 2 years to show something real.

    Childress is an easier guy not to like, just comes across really cold and closed minded, not to mention his horrible fashion sense.
    Who'd you rather have a beer with Tice or Childress (kind of like picking Bill over Hillary).
    However, I believe Childress has the marbles to make it happen, as long as he can get the personnel around him to fit his system (which I think is his biggest weakness).
    The best trait that I like about Childress is that he seems to really believe in what he's doing and doesn't second guess himself all the time like Meathead did.
    He may not be right but at least he's decisive, now just win a couple games so we can all start saying how great you're going to be.

  4. #14
    scottishvike's Avatar
    scottishvike is offline Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Location
    Dunfermline
    Posts
    1,712
    Blog Entries
    3

    Re: Is Brad Childress Any Better Than Mike Tice?

    "greenway_alltheway" wrote:
    I will tell you who is doing better this year though, and that is the Eagles offense.
    They are #1 in the league right now after finishing #19 last year.
    I think that's a bit unfair if your blaming it on Childress, I mean they had the T.O situation plus a lot of injuries including McNabb and a tough schedule after being NFC champs.

    I'm hopeful he can be a success here, but you have to give him time he is a rookie HC after all, this is only his first season as long as he learns from his mistakes and continues to progress, I think he'll be fine.

    EDIT hey Ltrey33 you must be a faster typer than me, because I wasn't copying your post!

  5. #15
    singersp's Avatar
    singersp is offline PPO Newshound
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    52,258

    Re: Is Brad Childress Any Better Than Mike Tice?

    "Ltrey33" wrote:
    You say the team is getting worse, not better, but I think that has a lot to do with this being Childress's first year. At first, we were taking teams by surprise. We had a brand new scheme, no one knew how our play-calling would go and no one knew that our secondary was so easy to burn.
    I did. We've been getting burned on short passes over the middle for years. It was one of the reason our defense gave up a lot of points. Especially in the Cotrell era.

    "Ltrey33" wrote:
    After a few games teams have more film on us and teams have tried more approaches to beat us, and between the Patsies and the Packers they seem to have found something. Now it's up to Childress to adjust to what they're throwing at him, and expecting him to do that immediately in his first year as a head coach in the NFL is an unfair expectation.
    Making the necessary adjustments is not an unfair expectation. IMO it is expected. You may not get the results you'd like to see right away, but you make adjustments to correct the problem.

    It wasn't done in the 2nd half of the Patriots game. It wasn't done in the SF game & it wasn't done in the Packers game.

    IMO, it has more to do with Tomlin than it has to do with Childress or his first year as HC. Defenses are not new to Tomlin. He was the defensive backs coach with Tampa for five years prior to coming to Minnesota. Two & 1/2 games was to long of a strretch without making some adjustments.

    "If at first you don't succeed, parachuting is not for you"

  6. #16
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Posts
    203

    Re: Is Brad Childress Any Better Than Mike Tice?

    i also beleive it is still early, but at least Tice's teams imploded when they started the season undefeated. Childress's team is starting to implode @.500.
    6949da5ce3db19514b6088f4f00ffabd

  7. #17
    BadlandsVikings's Avatar
    BadlandsVikings is offline Jersey Retired
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    26,564

    Re: Is Brad Childress Any Better Than Mike Tice?

    It's too soon to tell, if he can get the team turned around then I would say no.
    If we finsh 4-12, then I would say yes.

  8. #18
    freaky's Avatar
    freaky is offline Starter
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Posts
    191

    Re: Is Brad Childress Any Better Than Mike Tice?

    at least he doesn't look like a frickin smurf with a pencil behind his ear!!

    so far he's come in & turned a destructive culture upside down. he's brought in good people, with good character & created a stronger work ethic & sense of unity. he's willing to make tough decisions based on logic, not emotion & it's too stubborn to admit his mistakes. he's just another rookie wearing purple right now, & the foundation he's laid wont reap rewards until next year. not only do we have alot of new players, but we have a whole new coaching structure, totally new schemes & something of a totally new club. it's not possible for all those things to magically click midway through it's debut season.

    whether he's better, i guess time & results will tell. he's certainly more brave though.

  9. #19
    singersp's Avatar
    singersp is offline PPO Newshound
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    52,258

    Re: Is Brad Childress Any Better Than Mike Tice?

    "Ltrey33" wrote:

    In order to judge a coach, you have to look at his record over a longer period of time. Tice went 6-10, 9-7, 8-8 and 9-7 or something like that with only one playoff birth. When you give a guy 4 years with the type of offensive talent that we had when C-Pep and Moss were clicking and he can't get over a mediocre record it's a problem. There is no rational way to judge Childress at this point. The man has only coached 9 games.
    And that problem was defense. You have Cotrell to blame for that. Having a potent offense didn't mean squat when we were giving up more points than we scored.

    There was many a game when we scored 24+ points & still lost the game or gave up more tham 30 points in a game. Kind of the opposite scenario we are seeing today.

    2002;

    Sep 15 Buffalo Lost 39-45
    Sep 29 @Seattle Lost 23-48
    Nov 3 @Tampa Bay Lost 24-38
    Dec 1 Atlanta Lost 24-30

    2003;

    Nov 2 Green Bay Lost 27-30
    Nov 9 @San Diego Lost 28-42
    Nov 30 @St. Louis Lost 17-48

    2004;

    Oct 31 N.Y. Giants Lost 13-34
    Nov 8 @Indianapolis Lost 28-31
    Nov 14 @Green Bay Lost 31-34
    Dec 24 Green Bay Lost 31-34

    2005;

    Sep 18 @Cincinnati Lost 8-37
    Oct 2 @Atlanta Lost 10-30
    Oct 30 @Carolina Lost 13-38
    Dec 25 @Baltimore Lost 23-30

    "If at first you don't succeed, parachuting is not for you"

  10. #20
    Garland Greene's Avatar
    Garland Greene is offline Jersey Retired
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    A, A
    Posts
    6,170

    Re: Is Brad Childress Any Better Than Mike Tice?

    Already based on fact that he is holding players accountable Is a huge plus over anything that Tice has done.

Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. It's Brad Childress vs. Mike Tice
    By singersp in forum Vikings Fan Forum
    Replies: 126
    Last Post: 11-23-2008, 11:03 AM
  2. Mike Tice
    By jetman112 in forum Vikings Fan Forum
    Replies: 38
    Last Post: 01-13-2006, 05:22 AM
  3. Bye Bye Mike Tice......
    By Muggsy in forum Vikings Fan Forum
    Replies: 107
    Last Post: 09-18-2005, 10:38 PM
  4. Mike Tice
    By PhillyVikes in forum Vikings Fan Forum
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 05-15-2004, 11:21 PM
  5. Mike Tice
    By caseman84 in forum Vikings Fan Forum
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 12-02-2003, 10:45 PM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •