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    Re: biggest mistakes in viking history

    "Perch56" wrote:
    trading moss and then thinking troy williamson was the answer could be one in the future. we will see how that pans out.
    Who thought that TWill would be a Moss replacement?
    TWill was not picked to replace Moss.
    He was picked because Tice thought he was worth a number seven pick.
    But keep in mind that the number seven pick was not the only thing we got for Moss, so to consider Twill the sole "replacement" for Moss is silly.
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    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    Re: biggest mistakes in viking history

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    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    -Building the MetroDome instead of a real stadium in and then bitching about having to play there for the next 25 years.
    Gotta call kaka del rio on that one too.

    The metrodome is, overall, a success story.
    It was/is hugely profitable, a helluva lot nicer than the old met, and became an iconic stadium in the NFL. It is old and needs to be replaced, yes, but it was not a mistake.

    And don't start with any of the "outdoor stadium" BS.
    I don't know for sure how many people here on PP.O were ever at the Old Met, but it was no picnic, that's for sure.
    Call me a "meow" all you want, but I enjoy my December games indoors now.
    Plus, with out the roof, the Metrodome would never have paid for itself as quickly as it did.

    Now if (when) we build a new stadium, I think it would be a mistake to do anything other than a retractable roof.
    Take the profitability of the dome as well as the nostalgia of the old met and combine them...
    Kaka who?
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    We jumped on the domed bandwagon and regretted it ever since. The twins won the world series when the dome was 5 years old and told us the next year they needed to unload players because they couldn't generate the revenue to pay the players. They did the same thing in 1992.
    The vikings complained since at least 1994, and I think maybe 1992 that the metrodome didn't work right and they needed a different stadium to make money.

    Now if you call a stadium that is obsolete and rendering the teams it serves financially incapable of fielding a competitive team on a year to year basis a success then we have a disagreement. With the money that is committed to a facility of this magnitude you cannot afford to miscalculate it's ability to serve it's purpose over the long term. If you depreciate a building over a 39.5 year period one would expect it to last that long and to me it is wasteful to design and build a facility that is not serving it's purpose even 10 years into it's existence. Ask the twins and Vikings if the dome is/was highly profitable. They may disagree.

    I went to the old met. I have also been to County Stadium in Milwaukee, Lambeau field and Soldiers Stadium. They have stood the test of time and allowed the teams to renovate them for greater capacity without having to scrap the whole facility and they serve their purpose very well.

    I won't call you a pussy, but being from North Dakota I would think you would be tougher than that when it comes to being outdoors. For me the weather is the best in the winter and that is when I am outdoors more than any other time of the year whether it is Pheasant hunting,Deer hunting,Ice fishing etc. So no, we will not agree on that subject and that is fine.

    As to the retractaroof, we have been down this road before and I will say that it is not worth it, but if it makes the stadium viable for a longer time I will consider it. But be prepared to answer this:

    Will it leak like the roof over Miller park? ???

    Will it actually shut if we get an ice storm that freezes up the track? ???

    Will it still be a profitable place to play in 10,20, 25 years from now or will the
    business climate change and render it obsolete before it's time? ???

    Will it be built and have the operating budget to be maintained properly so that it doesn't look like a dump 15 years into it's existence? ???

    If we would have built a retractaroof stadium in 1982, would it still be a viable facility today? If the answer is yes, then it was a mistake not to have built it then (If you say the technology didn't exist then you need to consider what technology doesn't exist today that might make the current plan obsolete tomorrow). If the answer is no, then we are not planning our facilities properly and need to look at longer term solutions.

    Sorry for the thread hijack.




    Mistake- letting fair weather engineers take over the stadium debate and build our fan base around fair weather fans.
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    Re: biggest mistakes in viking history

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Perch56" wrote:
    trading moss and then thinking troy williamson was the answer could be one in the future. we will see how that pans out.
    Who thought that TWill would be a Moss replacement?
    TWill was not picked to replace Moss.
    He was picked because Tice thought he was worth a number seven pick.
    But keep in mind that the number seven pick was not the only thing we got for Moss, so to consider Twill the sole "replacement" for Moss is silly.
    Agreed, that Moss was not productive after he left. But look where he went! Wow...Oakland...where careers go to die. We have not had a stud WR since he left & if he was still here, we would have a clear cut # 1. Saying that he will not do well in NE (barring injury) is kinda odd to me. Moss is still a good WR....better than anyone we currently have.

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    Re: biggest mistakes in viking history

    "Slade" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Perch56" wrote:
    trading moss and then thinking troy williamson was the answer could be one in the future. we will see how that pans out.
    Who thought that TWill would be a Moss replacement?
    TWill was not picked to replace Moss.
    He was picked because Tice thought he was worth a number seven pick.
    But keep in mind that the number seven pick was not the only thing we got for Moss, so to consider Twill the sole "replacement" for Moss is silly.
    Agreed, that Moss was not productive after he left. But look where he went! Wow...Oakland...where careers go to die. We have not had a stud WR since he left & if he was still here, we would have a clear cut # 1. Saying that he will not do well in NE (barring injury) is kinda odd to me. Moss is still a good WR....better than anyone we currently have.
    In a way I think many people here hope he fails, and bask in his recent downfall for the reason that we wont miss him as much as we would if he were putting up 1500/15TDs like he used to.
    And certainly given his past two years it is not hard to make an argument that he will fail, citing his attitude etc.
    However, I anticipate him having a very productive season, even by his former standards.


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    Re: biggest mistakes in viking history

    SORRY, but the biggest MISTAKE in VIKINGS history was drafting DARRIN NELSON ahead of MARCUS ALLEN whom the raiders chose with the next pick,

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    Re: biggest mistakes in viking history

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    You can't put Gary on that list.
    He missed one FG in a game that never should have been close to begin with.
    You want to talk about mistakes in that game, how about Denny running out the clock?
    Oh c'mon ... not another Gary protector. He has to hit that kick. Not one kick he made matters when he misses that one. He is indoors ... at home ... only 38 yards out. The blame falls on him hardest and fairest. Vanderjagt is a lousy kicker because he can't hit it when it counts. Sure he hits most of them, but most of them don't matter. If you can't hit the one that matters then you deserve the heat. There is not excuse for a kicker to miss a chip shot at home for the NFC Championship ... and Gary did just that. I certainly can put him on that list ... maybe above Herschel and Darrin Nelson.

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    Re: biggest mistakes in viking history

    I gotta go with the Dallas deal. D Nelson was apart of that trade as well.
    Any matter can be resolved over a few coldies.

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    Re: biggest mistakes in viking history

    My list off the top of my head
    1. Darrin Nelson instead of Marcus Allen
    2. Gary Anderson missing that kick
    3. Not drafting Warren Sapp and taking Derrick Alexander instead
    4. Trading for Herschel Walker
    5. Going into the 2000 NFC Championship thinking we were the favorites and being totally unprepared

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    Re: biggest mistakes in viking history

    Those were all pretty bad blunders. I think the Herschel Walker trade was the second biggest. Dallas built a Super Bowl team with all those extra picks.

    For me, it would have to be Denny Green's bad coaching decisions vs. Atlanta in the NFC Championship game.

    ......I am surprised nobody has mentioned the draft day blunders like not making their pick in time or Mike Tice telling everyone beforehand who we wanted to draft so other teams could trade up and get the guy before we could.....
    "SHOOT EM JIMMY!!"

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    Re: biggest mistakes in viking history

    Here's one we can add to all the list, how about letting the Cardinals throw a long TD pass against us with no time left on the clock, when we where playing for a Playoff spot and the Divisional
    Champ Title.....


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