Thread: Better than anyone expected
12-25-2012, 09:11 AM #11
12-25-2012, 11:31 AM #12
From where I sit....
I still think that AD carries this entire team too much. I do NOT like our HC or OC at all, but our record means they will be around again next season.
If they want to keep their jobs, they need to do what I said LAST season and GET SOME RECEIVERS!!!!!! Marrdro is right (yes...I threw up a little bit as I typed that), Harvin is a slot guy, and we have no true deep weapons. Without them, Ponder is screwed.
That said, Ponder has played some HORRIBLE games this season. he can't do that and stay in the NFL. The difference between him and Jackson, however, is that he IS a factor, not an afterthought, in these games.
The "D" could be better, but they're strong enough to support a good Offense....too bad we don't have one.
12-25-2012, 05:22 PM #13
Merry ChristmasTrying to bring rationale to an irrational site
12-25-2012, 06:05 PM #14
i thought this season would be an easy season due to an easy schedule. I was right. However, I doubted that we would win this many games because we have thrown so many away to bad teams. I was right again as we gifted a couple to some really average teams there. Colts and TB wins come to mind.
12-26-2012, 11:35 AM #16
Come on now Floyd. You know that the success or failure of the passing defense is all predicated on the defensive line. The secondary is merely a benefactor one way or the other. We could pick any random group of players to suit up in our secondary and expect the same results.
Sorry Marrdro, but you do tend to downplay the role of the secondary. Even though I know you know they all need to do their role to have success. Good coverage tends to lead to more pressure, good pressure tends to lead to better pass coverage......
I think Harrison is a huge part of the difference we are seeing in our pass defense. Secondary play and more specifically safety play has been less than adequate for us over the last number of years.
12-26-2012, 12:21 PM #17
2012 NFL Team Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN
I love the rotation and what they've been doing in the passing game, but still am convinced that if we add a kid like
Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com
Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com
Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com
and all of our pass defense woes will go away completely and we won't suck so bad on run defense in our base.
Watched a couple of them play this year. Both of them can play the 0 all the way out to the 5 technique. Absolutely amazing.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
12-26-2012, 12:25 PM #18
Long story short, if we had all the "Coverage Sacks" that we should have had this year, JA and company would have huge numbers again. Instead we've consistently allowed QB's to run around in the backfield for what seems like an eternity (they threw a 9 second clock on Rodgers vs us this year) while our run defense also goes south.
Fix the warpig issue and that stuff goes away. If you don't we will still be a top 10 defense, but just barely.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
12-26-2012, 05:15 PM #19
12-26-2012, 05:34 PM #20
The real point here is simply, everyone expected the Vikings to have improvement, that was it. There were lol's when it was stated we might have a winning season in '12. Of course the rebuild isn't finished. we knew that coming into the season, it'll be '14 before this team has completed it's tooling and puts a finished product on the field for the next 5-10 years. that is if we keep Frazier as the HC, and slickRick as GM.
what we got this year was a team that has passed expectations. no matter if we win/loose vs GB.. we have a winning record, AND a viable shot @ the playoffs. Dad said we'd surprise people this year, stating that players would come out extra hungry due to the 3 win season. He noted several times as does Frazier that we had more participation in off season things then we've prolly seen since it was made optional to the stars..
as a TEAM, i ahve to give credit from top to bottom. they've improved past my expectations, do they still need work.. HELL YEAH" but.. we can identify that work now as pieces.. and not.. "The Secondary" or.. the "O-line" and it seems the coaches we have.. really can coach.
i'm excited for the last game because it has MEANING!! i'm watching other teams because it has meaning to us.. in making the playoffs, as well as who the road holds to the SB. just for me to have that.. is a vast improvement over the last 3 seasons, and yes they are better then I expected.
"We tried to stick with it, but there was a point where we were beating our head against a wall," Seattle Coach Mora talking about running at the Williams Wall