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    Re: Is Berrian a No. 1 Wideout?

    I think what we need is a Keyshawn-type, Chris Carter guy. We already have receivers who run the post. What we really need is a big receiver who will go 15 or 20 yards downfield and make a grab in traffic, with linebackers on him, etc. I am talking about an underneath guy.

    BTW, we know that T-Jacks can throw the post, but we also need him to throw underneath.

    A big missing piece on this team is a tight end or a "possession receiver". I hope we address that in the Draft, or free agency.

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    Re: Is Berrian a No. 1 Wideout?

    "marstc09" wrote:
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    "midgensa" wrote:
    Well he is now ... let's see if he can stay that way.
    Now just get A QB to get the ball to him.
    Sorry folks I am just not sold on TJ.
    I have yet to see any solid play that points to a "great" QB future for this young man.
    Put him at slot WR.

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    Of course you are not sold on him. I bet you will when he continues his winning ways. What is his starter record?
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    The record in win/loss is a great point.
    But there have been many QB's that have that win % yet as a QB are less than effective.
    Why does the QB always get credit for the wins and losses.
    I think that 20+ other players on offense feel that make a contribution to the win/loss column.
    Qustion is do you want a Qb who can manage a team or lead a team.
    QB's that manage an offense have gone to Super Bowls. Like Johnson Dilfer, Grossman ect.
    But yet they are unlikely to "lead" a team to the Super Bowl.
    They strike little fear in other teams like the great QB's do.
    And last I checked "great QB's" have won more Super Bowls than QB field managers.
    Now as for the idea
    the WR's couldn't catch his passes and that is what held him back.............
    Really? An entire squad of WR's and none can catch? TJ's is "great"and
    the WR's are all bad?
    I fail to see the logic in that. Every WR in the NFL can catch a football, not like they just pick anybody to fill the WR spots in the NFL.

    Look at TJ's stats http://www.nfl.com/players/tarvarisj...e?id=JAC566507
    For me nothing stands out and says "this guy is good".
    OK as a backup in my book
    Now granted this is just my opinion.

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    Re: Is Berrian a No. 1 Wideout?

    "StillPurple" wrote:
    I think what we need is a Keyshawn-type, Chris Carter guy. We already have receivers who run the post. What we really need is a big receiver who will go 15 or 20 yards downfield and make a grab in traffic, with linebackers on him, etc. I am talking about an underneath guy.

    BTW, we know that T-Jacks can throw the post, but we also need him to throw underneath.

    A big missing piece on this team is a tight end or a "possession receiver". I hope we address that in the Draft, or free agency.
    BAM!
    Good call we need a great TE.
    I am going to check out TE's for the last 10 years from Super Bowl Teams and see what I find

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    Re: Is Berrian a No. 1 Wideout?

    we have a pretty good slot possesion WR in bobby wade, who everyone hated on last year, but now he is gonna play his role as the slot guy,
    BB and rice should be fine as a 1-2 combo

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    Re: Is Berrian a No. 1 Wideout?

    "6-KINGS" wrote:
    "StillPurple" wrote:
    I think what we need is a Keyshawn-type, Chris Carter guy. We already have receivers who run the post. What we really need is a big receiver who will go 15 or 20 yards downfield and make a grab in traffic, with linebackers on him, etc. I am talking about an underneath guy.

    BTW, we know that T-Jacks can throw the post, but we also need him to throw underneath.

    A big missing piece on this team is a tight end or a "possession receiver". I hope we address that in the Draft, or free agency.
    BAM!
    Good call we need a great TE.
    I am going to check out TE's for the last 10 years from Super Bowl Teams and see what I find
    Got you taken care of here. A great tight end is not really a need, but it seems that a solid one is.
    In the past ten years, only 3 Super Bowl Champions featured a tight end with more than 459 yards receiving (Broncos and Sharpe in 98, Ravens and Sharpe in 00 and Giants and Shockey in 2007) ... but three others featured dual TE attacks that tallied over 500 yards (Pats with Graham and Fauria in 03 & 04 and the Colts in 06). Four teams won Super Bowls with production of less than 500 yards from their tight ends (99 Rams, 01 Pats, 02 Bucs and 05 Steelers.
    So it is definitely nice, but has not been essential over the last ten years.

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    Re: Is Berrian a No. 1 Wideout?

    And just a question for you guys:
    When's the last time we REALLY developed a quarterback in Minnesota?
    We spent the whole of the 1990's without doing it once.
    (Daunte doesn't count because he only saw ONE type of coverage his first few years).

    It's been so long, we've forgotten what it looks like.
    Ask any Giants fan - they'll tell you that it HURTS to watch a quarterback develop, even if he's a first-round pick.
    Manning didn't show any "flashes of brilliance" in his first year (managing a QB rating of pooh-point-crap) and now he's won a Super Bowl.


    Oh, and by the way - that possession receiver that everybody says we need?
    We have him - his name's Bobby Wade.


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    Re: Is Berrian a No. 1 Wideout?

    "BBQ" wrote:
    And just a question for you guys:
    When's the last time we REALLY developed a quarterback in Minnesota?
    We spent the whole of the 1990's without doing it once.
    (Daunte doesn't count because he only saw ONE type of coverage his first few years).

    It's been so long, we've forgotten what it looks like.
    Ask any Giants fan - they'll tell you that it HURTS to watch a quarterback develop, even if he's a first-round pick.
    Manning didn't show any "flashes of brilliance" in his first year (managing a QB rating of pooh-point-crap) and now he's won a Super Bowl.



    Oh, and by the way - that possession receiver that everybody says we need?
    We have him - his name's Bobby Wade.
    the vikings arent "developing a quarterback", theyre "praying for a miracle result from a project"..jackson was a project..you cant compare his development to a cant miss prospect like eli manning was coming out of college..since alot of those top tier 'cant miss' guys dont pan out, why would you expect the 'projects' to work out in the same way?

    last point i agree with..wade will have a nice year..i do think we need to find a more reliable, pass catching TE, with an actual ability to stretch the middle of the field
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    Re: Is Berrian a No. 1 Wideout?

    "BBQ" wrote:
    And just a question for you guys:
    When's the last time we REALLY developed a quarterback in Minnesota?
    We spent the whole of the 1990's without doing it once.
    (Daunte doesn't count because he only saw ONE type of coverage his first few years).

    It's been so long, we've forgotten what it looks like.
    Ask any Giants fan - they'll tell you that it HURTS to watch a quarterback develop, even if he's a first-round pick.
    Manning didn't show any "flashes of brilliance" in his first year (managing a QB rating of pooh-point-crap) and now he's won a Super Bowl.


    Oh, and by the way - that possession receiver that everybody says we need?
    We have him - his name's Bobby Wade.
    Doesn't Brad Johnson count? Vikes drafted in 92, 9th round, 227 pick...way later pick then Jackson

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    Re: Is Berrian a No. 1 Wideout?

    "olson_10" wrote:
    "BBQ" wrote:
    And just a question for you guys:
    When's the last time we REALLY developed a quarterback in Minnesota?
    We spent the whole of the 1990's without doing it once.
    (Daunte doesn't count because he only saw ONE type of coverage his first few years).

    It's been so long, we've forgotten what it looks like.
    Ask any Giants fan - they'll tell you that it HURTS to watch a quarterback develop, even if he's a first-round pick.
    Manning didn't show any "flashes of brilliance" in his first year (managing a QB rating of pooh-point-crap) and now he's won a Super Bowl.



    Oh, and by the way - that possession receiver that everybody says we need?
    We have him - his name's Bobby Wade.
    the vikings arent "developing a quarterback", theyre "praying for a miracle result from a project"..jackson was a project..you cant compare his development to a cant miss prospect like eli manning was coming out of college..since alot of those top tier 'cant miss' guys dont pan out, why would you expect the 'projects' to work out in the same way?

    last point i agree with..wade will have a nice year..i do think we need to find a more reliable, pass catching TE, with an actual ability to stretch the middle of the field
    I trust our scouting department.
    Besides, by your logic, as a sixth-rounder, Tom Brady was a bigger "project" than Jackson was.
    Johnny Unitas was a NINTH-rounder.
    And Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, and Cade McNown were all first-rounders.
    There's no such THING as a "can't-miss" prospect.
    Everyone's a project until they prove otherwise.

    The draft is a crapshoot.
    If they had enough faith in this Jackson project to move up to draft him in the second round, then I say he's as likely as a first-rounder to pan out.
    I'll have the same amount of patience with him as I would for a first-rounder, same as you.
    Unlike you, however, this doesn't mean "no patience at all."


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    Re: Is Berrian a No. 1 Wideout?

    "BBQ" wrote:
    "olson_10" wrote:
    "BBQ" wrote:
    And just a question for you guys:
    When's the last time we REALLY developed a quarterback in Minnesota?
    We spent the whole of the 1990's without doing it once.
    (Daunte doesn't count because he only saw ONE type of coverage his first few years).

    It's been so long, we've forgotten what it looks like.
    Ask any Giants fan - they'll tell you that it HURTS to watch a quarterback develop, even if he's a first-round pick.
    Manning didn't show any "flashes of brilliance" in his first year (managing a QB rating of pooh-point-crap) and now he's won a Super Bowl.



    Oh, and by the way - that possession receiver that everybody says we need?
    We have him - his name's Bobby Wade.
    the vikings arent "developing a quarterback", theyre "praying for a miracle result from a project"..jackson was a project..you cant compare his development to a cant miss prospect like eli manning was coming out of college..since alot of those top tier 'cant miss' guys dont pan out, why would you expect the 'projects' to work out in the same way?

    last point i agree with..wade will have a nice year..i do think we need to find a more reliable, pass catching TE, with an actual ability to stretch the middle of the field
    I trust our scouting department.
    Besides, by your logic, as a sixth-rounder, Tom Brady was a bigger "project" than Jackson was.
    Johnny Unitas was a NINTH-rounder.
    And Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, and Cade McNown were all first-rounders.

    The draft is a crapshoot.
    If they had enough faith in this Jackson project to move up to draft him in the second round, then I say he's as likely as a first-rounder to pan out.
    I'll have the same amount of patience with him as I would for a first-rounder, same as you.
    Unlike you, however, this doesn't mean "no patience at all."
    tom brady was picked under the assumption that the patriots would always have drew bledsoe as their quarterback..and i did acknowledge that those 'cant miss at the time' guys that you listed didnt always work out..my point was that if alot of those guys dont work out, how can you just assume if we pick up a project, hes gonna work, simply because he happens to be on our team?

    i have patience, but having patience in a cant miss top pick, and having patience in a 1-AA raw project that came into the league totally void of any football mental makeup is totally different..he should be learning behind somebody in that situation
    People who see life as anything more than pure entertainment are missing the point.

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