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    Re: Article on officiating in the Vikings/ Packers game

    I would really have liked to see the review from the KC game.
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    Re: Article on officiating in the Vikings/ Packers game

    "vikingivan" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "vikingivan" wrote:
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    "vikingivan" wrote:
    We have had our share of bad calls over the years.
    The football gods have not been good to us.
    It all started in 1975 with the playoff loss to Dallas.
    Why is it that I can remember losing games because of bad officiating, but I cannot recall one single victory where the officials helped us win a game.
    Is it selective memory?
    Can anyone remember a bad call going against any of our opponents that enabled us to win a game that we should have lost?
    Good teams win despite bad calls.
    Blaming the ref's bad call for us losing the game is a lot like blaming Gary Anderson's missed field goal for us not going to the super bowl in 98.
    There were plenty of other things that could have happened in both games that would have rendered both plays moot.
    Some good teams win despite bad calls, not all.
    How were we to overcome the terrible call at the end of the Dallas playoff game in 75? I don't blame Gary Anderson for losing that game in 98.
    I blame the coaches Billick and Green.
    But in the end, that game did not turn on officiating.
    The game was decided on the field.
    Players and Coaches should win or lose games.
    Not officials.
    Had we not allowed the 10 points prior to the Hail Mary, it would have been moot.

    The Cowboys got the ball at their own 15 yard line with less than two minutes left in the game.
    Yet the vaunted Purple People Eater defense let Staubach march down the field to the 50 with 24 seconds left on the clock.
    Had the defense held, the noncall would have been moot.

    Many, many things go into winning or losing a game.
    Yes, the call was horse pooh.
    Yes, it gave Dallas a TD that they didn't earn.
    No, it didn't lose the game for us.
    How did that non call not lose the game for us?
    C'mon Paul.
    Without that touchdown the Cowboys would have lost the game.
    What do you mean allow 10 points before the hail mary?
    Holding the Cowboys led by Roger Staubach to 10 points is pretty impressive.
    That was one play of many in the game.
    Let's look at that final play a little closer and play the what if game.

    What if the ref made the correct call for Pass Interference?
    Even had the ref made the call, there was still 14 seconds left on the clock.
    Since the initial Hail Mary play only took ten seconds, that means there is time for another one.
    There is absolutely no guarantee that we would have stopped them on the very next passing play, especially considering that Staubach was the QB.


    What about the 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty on Page for yelling at the refs (after Krause already did).
    That was assessed on the kickoff.
    What if our players didn't continue to argue the shitty call?
    Would we have been in better position to do the same? Especially considering we got the ball back with 10 seconds left?

    The blown call did not lost the game for us.
    There is no guarantee that we would have won had the call been made right, and other things could have happened to get us the win even after the blown call.
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    Re: Article on officiating in the Vikings/ Packers game

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
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    [quote author=vikingivan link=topic=38655.msg653480#msg653480 date=1192195228]
    We have had our share of bad calls over the years.
    The football gods have not been good to us.
    It all started in 1975 with the playoff loss to Dallas.
    Why is it that I can remember losing games because of bad officiating, but I cannot recall one single victory where the officials helped us win a game.
    Is it selective memory?
    Can anyone remember a bad call going against any of our opponents that enabled us to win a game that we should have lost?
    Good teams win despite bad calls.
    Blaming the ref's bad call for us losing the game is a lot like blaming Gary Anderson's missed field goal for us not going to the super bowl in 98.
    There were plenty of other things that could have happened in both games that would have rendered both plays moot.
    Some good teams win despite bad calls, not all.
    How were we to overcome the terrible call at the end of the Dallas playoff game in 75? I don't blame Gary Anderson for losing that game in 98.
    I blame the coaches Billick and Green.
    But in the end, that game did not turn on officiating.
    The game was decided on the field.
    Players and Coaches should win or lose games.
    Not officials.
    Had we not allowed the 10 points prior to the Hail Mary, it would have been moot.

    The Cowboys got the ball at their own 15 yard line with less than two minutes left in the game.
    Yet the vaunted Purple People Eater defense let Staubach march down the field to the 50 with 24 seconds left on the clock.
    Had the defense held, the noncall would have been moot.

    Many, many things go into winning or losing a game.
    Yes, the call was horse pooh.
    Yes, it gave Dallas a TD that they didn't earn.
    No, it didn't lose the game for us.
    How did that non call not lose the game for us?
    C'mon Paul.
    Without that touchdown the Cowboys would have lost the game.
    What do you mean allow 10 points before the hail mary?
    Holding the Cowboys led by Roger Staubach to 10 points is pretty impressive.
    That was one play of many in the game.
    Let's look at that final play a little closer and play the what if game.

    What if the ref made the correct call for Pass Interference?
    Even had the ref made the call, there was still 14 seconds left on the clock.
    Since the initial Hail Mary play only took ten seconds, that means there is time for another one.
    There is absolutely no guarantee that we would have stopped them on the very next passing play, especially considering that Staubach was the QB.


    What about the 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty on Page for yelling at the refs (after Krause already did).
    That was assessed on the kickoff.
    What if our players didn't continue to argue the poohie call?
    Would we have been in better position to do the same? Especially considering we got the ball back with 10 seconds left?

    The blown call did not lost the game for us.
    There is no guarantee that we would have won had the call been made right, and other things could have happened to get us the win even after the blown call.
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    That will ALWAYS be a matter of opinion...HOWEVER, we can safely say that the blown call DIDN'T WIN the game for the Vikes with absolute certainty.
    The refs will NEVER be forgiven for that!!!
    BANNED OR DEAD...I'LL TAKE EITHER ONE

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    Re: Article on officiating in the Vikings/ Packers game

    "pack93z" wrote:
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    The refs SUCK!!!
    I vote instant replay for EVERY PLAY!!!
    Didn't they replay the non-fumble for Korey Hall? Even replay has its limitations.. plus it sucks to have to still and watch the clown walk into the phone booth.. like it is some national secret taking place in the booth.

    No, they did not.
    Because the official called it an incomplete pass instead of a fumble the play was not reviewable.
    The correct call could have been to call it a fumble, which IS a reviewable call, and allow it to play out on the field.
    Then it could have been reviewed if they thought it was close.

    The problem is that it was not close.
    A player does not have to "make a football" move anymore.
    He only needs to have possession of the ball with two feet down for it to be a catch-fumble.
    Hall not only had possession of the ball, but he was pulling the ball into a tuck and turned to go upfield when he was hit.
    I honestly have no idea how that was called an incomplete pass.
    My only guess is the official reverted back to last year's rule on possession, and felt that Hall didn't make a football move.
    Had this been last year, it would have been an OK call...
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    Re: Article on officiating in the Vikings/ Packers game

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "vikingivan" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "vikingivan" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    [quote author=vikingivan link=topic=38655.msg653480#msg653480 date=1192195228]
    We have had our share of bad calls over the years.
    The football gods have not been good to us.
    It all started in 1975 with the playoff loss to Dallas.
    Why is it that I can remember losing games because of bad officiating, but I cannot recall one single victory where the officials helped us win a game.
    Is it selective memory?
    Can anyone remember a bad call going against any of our opponents that enabled us to win a game that we should have lost?
    Good teams win despite bad calls.
    Blaming the ref's bad call for us losing the game is a lot like blaming Gary Anderson's missed field goal for us not going to the super bowl in 98.
    There were plenty of other things that could have happened in both games that would have rendered both plays moot.
    Some good teams win despite bad calls, not all.
    How were we to overcome the terrible call at the end of the Dallas playoff game in 75? I don't blame Gary Anderson for losing that game in 98.
    I blame the coaches Billick and Green.
    But in the end, that game did not turn on officiating.
    The game was decided on the field.
    Players and Coaches should win or lose games.
    Not officials.
    Had we not allowed the 10 points prior to the Hail Mary, it would have been moot.

    The Cowboys got the ball at their own 15 yard line with less than two minutes left in the game.
    Yet the vaunted Purple People Eater defense let Staubach march down the field to the 50 with 24 seconds left on the clock.
    Had the defense held, the noncall would have been moot.

    Many, many things go into winning or losing a game.
    Yes, the call was horse pooh.
    Yes, it gave Dallas a TD that they didn't earn.
    No, it didn't lose the game for us.
    How did that non call not lose the game for us?
    C'mon Paul.
    Without that touchdown the Cowboys would have lost the game.
    What do you mean allow 10 points before the hail mary?
    Holding the Cowboys led by Roger Staubach to 10 points is pretty impressive.
    That was one play of many in the game.
    Let's look at that final play a little closer and play the what if game.

    What if the ref made the correct call for Pass Interference?
    Even had the ref made the call, there was still 14 seconds left on the clock.
    Since the initial Hail Mary play only took ten seconds, that means there is time for another one.
    There is absolutely no guarantee that we would have stopped them on the very next passing play, especially considering that Staubach was the QB.


    What about the 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty on Page for yelling at the refs (after Krause already did).
    That was assessed on the kickoff.
    What if our players didn't continue to argue the poohie call?
    Would we have been in better position to do the same? Especially considering we got the ball back with 10 seconds left?

    The blown call did not lost the game for us.
    There is no guarantee that we would have won had the call been made right, and other things could have happened to get us the win even after the blown call.
    [/quote]

    Bottom line.
    That call cost us that game Paul.
    I enjoy your input on all subjects.
    You are a true fan.
    But, I disagree with you on this one.
    Skol Vikings!
    Hope to meet you at the Eagles game.

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