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    Re: Analysis of the Vikings Offense

    Is it allowed to trade coaches?
    I think a trade with the Raiders:

    Chilly, Bevel, and Shank

    for

    Kiffin and a 6th round draft pick

    Coaches that had a problem with Al Davis.....
    Shanahan and Gruden.
    Not bad company for Kiffin.
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    Re: Analysis of the Vikings Offense

    "gagarr" wrote:
    Is it allowed to trade coaches?
    I think a trade with the Raiders:

    Chilly, Bevel, and Shank

    for

    Kiffin and a 6th round draft pick

    Coaches that had a problem with Al Davis.....
    Shanahan and Gruden.
    Not bad company for Kiffin.
    i would love kiffin to be at least our OC

    Thanks josdin00

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    Re: Analysis of the Vikings Offense

    Ragnarok posted: The Scheme

    Is this version of the West Coast Offense inherently bad or fundamentally flawed?
    I believe it is.

    Positives:
    1.) The running game.
    I think everyone is with me here.
    2.) There are talented players on this offense - A.D., Berrian, Rice, Allison, Mills, and most of the OL
    While I agree that the Vikings can run the ball, I don't agree with the way Childress uses the running game.
    This run to set up the pass mentality no longer fits the NFLrulebook, and this is especially so with a West Coast style offense.

    Berrian is injured, but he could get open in Chicago.
    He should be sitting to get him ready for games after the bye week.
    It doesn't do much good to have him injured all year just to get him game time.

    Allison?
    Who knows?
    Rice?
    Not yet.
    Wade?
    He's a situational slot receiver at best.

    The Vikings have no leader in the receivers corps.
    They don't have a Cris Carter to show a Randy Moss what to do.

    Negatives:
    1.) None of the QBs that have played (started) in this system thus far have looked very good.
    Examples: Brad Johnson, Tarvaris Jackson, Kelly Holcomb, and Brooks Bollinger.
    None of them have looked good except Jackson in the second half of last season.
    That may be because the Vikings' running game was shut down, and the team had to pass.
    The Vikings need more three step quick slants and other quick hit plays to set a rhythm.


    3.) Is the offensive staff (i.e.Childress, Bevell) trying to "put square pegs in round holes?"
    Examples: the "zone blocking" scheme of the OL (more suited as "maulers" IMO), the failure of Troy Williamson (insisting on sending him on fly patterns, but he just wasn't very good either.)
    4.) Unimaginative, predictable, and just pure vanilla gameplan/playcalling overall.
    Good players adapt, but the playbook doesn't look very good, or at least is is gameplanned rather poorly.

    5.) Inadequate halftime/in-game adjustments.
    I would add, inadequate gameplanning overall.

    6.) Playing "not to lose" instead of "playing to win".
    This is a statement that I hear often, and I use it as well, but what does it really mean?
    It means that the Vikings play conservative ball.
    They don't take chances.
    They don't open up the offense.
    I don't see routes that are anything but what I'd see in a high school playbook.
    Maybe they run them, but I don't think so, because we don't see catches with them on replays.

    Now, does the offensive scheme look bad because:

    A.) it's just a poorly designed scheme?
    Possibly.
    I realize that when the coaches make a playcall, it's ultimately up to the players to execute it correctly.
    I don't like the scheme.
    It takes the short passes of the West Coast, but it uses them with a heavy run playcall percentage.
    In WCO, those passes often supplant runs, so the Vikings are doubling up.
    The Vikings need to exploit the stacked box by overloading the deep zones and finding the short seams.
    Sending three receivers out on fly patterns isn't going to get it done.

    B.) the QB play has been below average as a whole?
    I think so.
    Jackson played much better in the second half of last season.
    he needed makor reps in the preseason, but like last season, Childress treated him like a veteran early and then paid for it with a Jacson injury.
    Tarvaris isn't up to speed, and that is a killer for a young quarterback.

    C.) the offensive staff still does not trust the QB (Jackson) to make the correct reads/throws - thus the playcalling is intentionally simplified/limited?
    I believe this is accurate as well.
    The offensive staff doesn't trust any quarterback.
    When was the last time we saw Jackson going over game photos on the sideline?
    Does he even have an audible responsibility?

    D.) the WRs/TEs aren't getting open?
    I cannot verify this due to television coverage.
    Curses to NFL coverage on TV.
    It is not for fans of the game who know what they are looking at to be sure.

    E.) the above are constantly dropping balls?
    Are the balls being thrown as so that they can catch them easily?
    I believe it's a combination of both.
    Jackson isn't always on target, but he doesn't have a lefty spin or anything like that.
    The Vikings happen to have many player who catch the ball with poor technique.
    Don't these guys practice catching with the hands?
    The Vikings should bring in Fred Biletnikoff and Cris Carter to show the Vikings receivers, including backs and ends, not only how to catach the ball but also how to practice catching the ball.

    Wide Receivers / Tight Ends

    Is this crop of WRs/TEs getting it done?
    No.
    Not even close.

    Positives:
    1.) Athletic and talented group, i.e. Berrian, Rice, Allison, Mills.
    Wade is ok.
    2.) Potential to be productive group of playmakers, IMO.
    Potential.
    Maybe.

    Who knows what routes these guys are being asked to run.

    Negatives:
    1.) Visthante Shiancoe.
    This guy should NOT be starting.
    I don't care how much he's being paid.
    Mills or even Kleinsasser should replace him as starter ASAP.
    Shiancoe.
    I never understood why he got the big money in the first place.

    2.) Injuries - Berrian's turf toe, Rice's string of injuries, might be out for some time now with that knee.
    It's too bad about Rice.
    He has the best hands of any Vikings receiver.

    Again, Berrian should sit until his toe is better.

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    Re: Analysis of the Vikings Offense

    "VikingMike" wrote:
    I am now officially in favor of scripting the first 15-20 plays and see what develops. This takes a lot of pressure off the offense (esp the QB) and now they only have to execute plays that have been practiced over and over all week long. I was never a fan of it, but I think this is exactly what our offense needs at this time. IMO, it's not like we actually audible plays based on the defense, so how much worse can the results be?
    Good coaches script plays not to see how those plays do; they script plays to see how the defense reacts to the offensive play calls, formations, blocking schemes, and other things.
    From that, the coaches can set up better plays with audibles to take advantage of those things.

    I don't see Childress and Bevell being willing or able to do that, because they believe in the system rather than matchup or scheme exploitation.

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