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    Re: Analysis of the Vikings Offense

    "it's a kick-ass offense when it's executed properly."

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    Re: Analysis of the Vikings Offense

    "DiehardVikesFan" wrote:
    "it's a kick-ass offense when it's executed properly."
    That always makes me laugh when I hear Childress say that...

    He is so In-Over-His-Head, it's comical at this point.
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    Re: Analysis of the Vikings Offense

    Vikings offense = stale bread with humus that has too much lemon in it.

    I don't think TJ is the answer, however, I don't think they are letting him loose to find out.
    If we really want to know what he can do, give him the reigns.
    I think we can win with this offense.
    But I hate our version of the West Coast Offense...
    there is far too little screen passes and short routes...
    it is run, run, throw deep, run, run, qb rollout, run, throw deep...
    is it bad route running or TJ not being able to make the hard line throw?
    hmmmm -- both.


    we could have chad johnson and braylon edwards in our WR corp and we still would not get anywhere, sadly.

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    Re: Analysis of the Vikings Offense

    It blows my mind that Sean Peyton and Chilly "grew up together" in the west coast offense, and yet, Peyton is vastly better at running the offense than Chilly is.

    Peyton brought in a big-time QB (sorry, Tarvaris) and he runs that offense like a damn well-oiled machine. Watch him create mismatches and line Bush up in the slot. That offense is FUN to watch.

    Meanwhile, back in MN: another off-tackle run into a stacked box.

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    Re: Analysis of the Vikings Offense

    Best drive of the game:

    1-10-MIN 48
    (4:05) 28-A.Peterson left guard to IND 43 for 9 yards (58-G.Brackett, 54-F.Keiaho).

    2-1-IND 43
    (3:31) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to IND 30 for 13 yards (41-A.Bethea).

    1-10-IND 30
    (2:55) 29-C.Taylor up the middle to IND 24 for 6 yards (98-R.Mathis).

    2-4-IND 24
    (2:23) 29-C.Taylor right guard to IND 17 for 7 yards (28-M.Jackson).

    1-10-IND 17
    (1:44) 28-A.Peterson left guard to IND 13 for 4 yards (91-J.Thomas).

    2-6-IND 13
    (1:00) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to IND 9 for 4 yards (58-G.Brackett).

    3-2-IND 9
    (:21) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short left to 81-V.Shiancoe.

    4-2-IND 9
    (:13) 8-R.Longwell 27 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-46-C.Loeffler, Holder-5-C.Kluwe.


    Yes, 6 straight runs, jamming it down the Colts throat.
    But when it is 3rd and TWO yards inside the 10....
    Bevel/Chilly... "Why don't we pass it?"
    Also, lets pass it to "Mr. I don'n't catch TD's".

    The next drive:
    1-10-MIN 11
    (10:37) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 18 for 7 yards (54-F.Keiaho, 21-B.Sanders).

    2-3-MIN 18
    (10:02) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 22 for 4 yards (55-C.Session).

    1-10-MIN 22
    (9:24) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 45 for 23 yards (41-A.Bethea, 98-R.Mathis).

    1-10-MIN 45
    (8:39) 84-A.Allison left end pushed ob at MIN 46 for 1 yard (26-K.Hayden).

    2-9-MIN 46
    (8:12) 29-C.Taylor up the middle to 50 for 4 yards (93-D.Freeney; 58-G.Brackett).

    3-5-
    (7:27) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short right to 18-S.Rice. PENALTY on IND-54-F.Keiaho, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at 50 - No Play.

    1-10-IND 45
    (7:20) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to IND 40 for 5 yards (79-R.Brock).

    2-5-IND 40
    (6:44) 7-T.Jackson left guard to IND 39 for 1 yard (98-R.Mathis).

    3-4-IND 39
    (6:00) 7-T.Jackson sacked at IND 40 for -1 yards (23-T.Jennings).

    4-5-IND 40
    (5:36) 5-C.Kluwe punts 37 yards to IND 3, Center-46-C.Loeffler, downed by MIN-38-N.Tahi.


    Ya gain yards and 2 first downs on 5 straigh runs... it's now 3rd and 5.
    What should you do?
    Pass... lucky the refs called a penalty.
    Next run for 5.
    Then lets let TJ stall another drive with 2 pass plays.

    Damn it.... out of 14 3rd downs only ONCE did they try a run play with Taylor. It failed, but so did TEN, yes TEN, 3rd down pass plays to stall drives.
    Put the ball in the hands of your best player, AD, not your 10th, TJ (Shank is definitely last on starting O).

    Run it again and again until they can stop it on 3 downs in a row.
    I don't want to tire AD out. Rotate AD and CT, give it to Tahi (who you pass to twice, but he's more of a runner).
    Put Mills in the backfield.
    Put Mills and Tahi in the backfield.

    Go with what works, till they fill the box and the CB's and safeties all jump for the play fake.
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    Re: Analysis of the Vikings Offense

    Last year we went 8-8.
    I don't think we were good enough to be 8-8, it was AD that won several of those games on his legs.
    It has been...what 2, now the 3rd year for TJ, and nothing has yet came out of it.
    I don't know what is the problem.
    That big money TE.
    Is not worth a dime.
    Trade him.
    The OC, no play off game is going to come to the Vikes with that crap of play calling.
    It is a known fact...Vikes will run the ball.
    No throwing allowed.
    No offensive play calls for the QB, except for totally unsat calls to receiver(s) who have yet to catch a long ball. I've been a Viking fan for 40 years now.
    It is time for some bloody changes in Minnesota Land.
    The QB and receivers are not in synch.
    The TE drops more then he catches and is not worth the money. Play calling is just unsat.
    5 field goals against the Colts, who tried to give us the game.


    This current road trip that our Vikings are in will end in the wrong side of the tracks.
    The loser tracks. 0-2 start. We suck worst then the Lions right now.

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    Re: Analysis of the Vikings Offense

    "gagarr" wrote:
    Best drive of the game:

    1-10-MIN 48
    (4:05) 28-A.Peterson left guard to IND 43 for 9 yards (58-G.Brackett, 54-F.Keiaho).

    2-1-IND 43
    (3:31) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to IND 30 for 13 yards (41-A.Bethea).

    1-10-IND 30
    (2:55) 29-C.Taylor up the middle to IND 24 for 6 yards (98-R.Mathis).

    2-4-IND 24
    (2:23) 29-C.Taylor right guard to IND 17 for 7 yards (28-M.Jackson).

    1-10-IND 17
    (1:44) 28-A.Peterson left guard to IND 13 for 4 yards (91-J.Thomas).

    2-6-IND 13
    (1:00) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to IND 9 for 4 yards (58-G.Brackett).

    3-2-IND 9
    (:21) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short left to 81-V.Shiancoe.

    4-2-IND 9
    (:13) 8-R.Longwell 27 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-46-C.Loeffler, Holder-5-C.Kluwe.


    Yes, 6 straight runs, jamming it down the Colts throat.
    But when it is 3rd and TWO yards inside the 10....
    Bevel/Chilly... "Why don't we pass it?"
    Also, lets pass it to "Mr. I don'n't catch TD's".

    The next drive:
    1-10-MIN 11
    (10:37) 28-A.Peterson right guard to MIN 18 for 7 yards (54-F.Keiaho, 21-B.Sanders).

    2-3-MIN 18
    (10:02) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 22 for 4 yards (55-C.Session).

    1-10-MIN 22
    (9:24) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 45 for 23 yards (41-A.Bethea, 98-R.Mathis).

    1-10-MIN 45
    (8:39) 84-A.Allison left end pushed ob at MIN 46 for 1 yard (26-K.Hayden).

    2-9-MIN 46
    (8:12) 29-C.Taylor up the middle to 50 for 4 yards (93-D.Freeney; 58-G.Brackett).

    3-5-
    (7:27) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short right to 18-S.Rice. PENALTY on IND-54-F.Keiaho, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at 50 - No Play.

    1-10-IND 45
    (7:20) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to IND 40 for 5 yards (79-R.Brock).

    2-5-IND 40
    (6:44) 7-T.Jackson left guard to IND 39 for 1 yard (98-R.Mathis).

    3-4-IND 39
    (6:00) 7-T.Jackson sacked at IND 40 for -1 yards (23-T.Jennings).

    4-5-IND 40
    (5:36) 5-C.Kluwe punts 37 yards to IND 3, Center-46-C.Loeffler, downed by MIN-38-N.Tahi.


    Ya gain yards and 2 first downs on 5 straigh runs... it's now 3rd and 5.
    What should you do?
    Pass... lucky the refs called a penalty.
    Next run for 5.
    Then lets let TJ stall another drive with 2 pass plays.

    gol 'darnit it.... out of 14 3rd downs only ONCE did they try a run play with Taylor. It failed, but so did TEN, yes TEN, 3rd down pass plays to stall drives.
    Put the ball in the hands of your best player, AD, not your 10th, TJ (Shank is definitely last on starting O).

    Run it again and again until they can stop it on 3 downs in a row.
    I don't want to tire AD out. Rotate AD and CT, give it to Tahi (who you pass to twice, but he's more of a runner).
    Put Mills in the backfield.
    Put Mills and Tahi in the backfield.

    Go with what works, till they fill the box and the CB's and safeties all jump for the play fake.
    Actually, there were filling the box.
    I don't think I saw less than 8 guys in the box more than once or twice all game.
    And we still couldn't get it done in the air...
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

    =Z=

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    "Big" wrote:
    I agree with you for the most part. I honestly like Chilly as a head coach but dislike him for his influence on the offense. From day one he has been about having players fit the scheme instead of playing to your players strengths.
    It seems like the only reason we were 8-8 last year instead another 6-10 was because AP single handedly (on offense) won 2 games for us.

    I love TJack. I want to encourage him. But after 3 or 4 years of college ball and 3 years in the NFL, if you can't consistently throw a catchable ball on routes less than 10 yards, you don't belong in this league. At least not as a starter.

    Every single pass that Aaron Rodgers completes makes me want to pull my hair out because the Packers have a QB who can throw catchable balls and we don't. The Packers have a coach who calls plays that gets the QB in to some rhythm and we don't. The Packers have an OC who will call a 7 yard pass on 3rd and 5 instead of a frickin 30 yard bomb to a WR that hasn't caught a single ball yet. It's so bad right now that I wish we had Kyle frickin' Orton!

    Sorry, didn't mean to rant. Basically I agree with your analysis. My solutions are:
    1. Keep Chilly and get a new OC who knows what he is doing. Bevell is just a yes-man.
    2. Bench Shancoe.
    3. Let TJ run the damn offense. He looked good in the 2nd half of the Packers game when we came out passing. We are handcuffing the guy and demanding him to play without giving him the chance to get in to any sort of rhythm.

    I think that says it best. If Childress would just get a real OC and hand him the reigns completely, I think we could have something special. Unfortunatly that will never happen.
    :'(

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    Re: Analysis of the Vikings Offense

    it has potential.

    we need a new o-cord, and a head coach.

    they are god awful at play calling and they are easy to read.

    plus we could use a new tight end and a pocket passer.

    west coast offences tend to need a quarterback who can throw a ball

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    Re: Analysis of the Vikings Offense

    "SamOchoCinco" wrote:
    it has potential.

    we need a new o-cord, and a head coach.

    they are god awful at play calling and they are easy to read.

    plus we could use a new tight end and a pocket passer.

    west coast offences tend to need a quarterback who can throw a ball
    You make it sound so easy. Sadly, it isn't.

    Before I opened this thread I said to myself after reading the title "Well, this will only take a few seconds."

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