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    Re: allow more publicly owned teams

    Quote Originally Posted by "dfosterf" #1089802
    In the article I read about the prospective site they interviewed one of the residents of the mobile home park.

    He expressed concern that if he were forced to move he'd have to go back home...

    To Wisconsin.

    It was purely an oversight on my part to have not mentioned that small detail previously, I assure you. :P

    Now YOU have to explain to ME where your "mascot" - or whatever the hell you call him- is from...I'm pretty sure it isn't some place like Harlem, at least in the rhythm department...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTff_bzpDv4
    I don't know where Ragnar is "from"...but he's a great dancer, and can turn any move into a silky-smooth display of panther-like reflexes and agility....


    ...as you saw.

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    Re: allow more publicly owned teams

    Quote Originally Posted by "dfosterf" #1089802
    In the article I read about the prospective site they interviewed one of the residents of the mobile home park.

    He expressed concern that if he were forced to move he'd have to go back home...

    To Wisconsin.

    It was purely an oversight on my part to have not mentioned that small detail previously, I assure you. :P

    Now YOU have to explain to ME where your "mascot" - or whatever the hell you call him- is from...I'm pretty sure it isn't some place like Harlem, at least in the rhythm department...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTff_bzpDv4
    We cut you quite a bit of slack on this site but just a little word of warning- You don't mess with Ragnar......:evil:

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    Re: allow more publicly owned teams

    I guess you don't wanna know that until Caine reminded me of his real nickname I'd got to callin' him quagmire. :P

    I'll leave him completely alone per your request, but even that bet is off if he winds up on dancin' with the stars or somethin'.

    (That was Caine's best post in a long time, btw-- "silky-smooth display of panther-like... lol lol lol )

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    Re: allow more publicly owned teams

    Quote Originally Posted by "dfosterf" #1089811
    I guess you don't wanna know that until Caine reminded me of his real nickname I'd got to callin' him quagmire. :P

    I'll leave him completely alone per your request, but even that bet is off if he winds up on dancin' with the stars or somethin'.

    (That was Caine's best post in a long time, btw-- "silky-smooth display of panther-like... lol lol lol )
    I am not too worried about him ending up on dancing with the stars but I do seem to remember some interest in putting him in one of those capital one commercials.


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    Re: allow more publicly owned teams

    It's worth pointing out that the only reason Green Bay was publicly traded is because they couldn't maintain financial viability back in the early years. In fact, it's not widely known but George Halas saved the Green Bay franchise on more than one occasion.


    ...probably so he'd have 2 guaranteed wins per year...


    It's worth noting also that despite the alleged "success" of the Packers being publicly traded, no other franchise is ALLOWED to do so. Why is that? If it works so well there, why not allow other franchises to mirror that "success story"?

    Just another pro-Green Bay NFL contradiction to throw into the "Why I hate the Packers" bucket...


    ...like I needed more reasons...

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    Re: allow more publicly owned teams

    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1089820
    It's worth pointing out that the only reason Green Bay was publicly traded is because they couldn't maintain financial viability back in the early years. In fact, it's not widely known but George Halas saved the Green Bay franchise on more than one occasion.


    ...probably so he'd have 2 guaranteed wins per year...


    It's worth noting also that despite the alleged "success" of the Packers being publicly traded, no other franchise is ALLOWED to do so. Why is that? If it works so well there, why not allow other franchises to mirror that "success story"?

    Just another pro-Green Bay NFL contradiction to throw into the "Why I hate the Packers" bucket...


    ...like I needed more reasons...

    Caine

    The Green Bay Packers loaned Halas $1500 in 1932 in order to save the Chicago Bears franchise. He borrowed money from his mother, his mother-in-law, and the Pack.

    The Bears have never loaned the Packers a dime.

    Halas was instrumental in public relations in 1956 to convince Packer fans that it was wise to support their form of ownership. That is the FORM of his assistance... not anything financial. That is the "saved".

    Maybe it's the soft spot he held because without that loan way back in '32, the Bears would have folded right then and there.

    He did the same thing (public relations) in 1922 with the rest of the league as regards the Packers, having to do with their use of college football players. The league was going to ban the Pack, but he was guilty of the exact same rule infraction, including getting one of the players from the Pack, so in order to enforce prohibitions against the GB franchise, they would have had to do the same to the Bears.

    Those are your "saved" the Packers, and I guess to Norse mythologists, they are totally legit.

    Or maybe that one Bears fan buddy you have (Caine) that told you the Bears didn't try in week 17, thereby making that a fact (to you), lol

    Now, for some real facts. The team that Halas helped the most?

    YOURS.

    He was THE driving force for the NFL bringing a franchise to Minneapolis.

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    Re: allow more publicly owned teams

    Quote Originally Posted by "dfosterf" #1089824
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1089820
    It's worth pointing out that the only reason Green Bay was publicly traded is because they couldn't maintain financial viability back in the early years. In fact, it's not widely known but George Halas saved the Green Bay franchise on more than one occasion.


    ...probably so he'd have 2 guaranteed wins per year...


    It's worth noting also that despite the alleged "success" of the Packers being publicly traded, no other franchise is ALLOWED to do so. Why is that? If it works so well there, why not allow other franchises to mirror that "success story"?

    Just another pro-Green Bay NFL contradiction to throw into the "Why I hate the Packers" bucket...


    ...like I needed more reasons...

    Caine

    The Green Bay Packers loaned Halas $1500 in 1932 in order to save the Chicago Bears franchise. He borrowed money from his mother, his mother-in-law, and the Pack.

    The Bears have never loaned the Packers a dime.

    Halas was instrumental in public relations in 1956 to convince Packer fans that it was wise to support their form of ownership. That is the FORM of his assistance... not anything financial. That is the "saved".

    Maybe it's the soft spot he held because without that loan way back in '32, the Bears would have folded right then and there.

    He did the same thing (public relations) in 1922 with the rest of the league as regards the Packers, having to do with their use of college football players. The league was going to ban the Pack, but he was guilty of the exact same rule infraction, including getting one of the players from the Pack, so in order to enforce prohibitions against the GB franchise, they would have had to do the same to the Bears.

    Those are your "saved" the Packers, and I guess to Norse mythologists, they are totally legit.

    Or maybe that one Bears fan buddy you have (Caine) that told you the Bears didn't try in week 17, thereby making that a fact (to you), lol

    Now, for some real facts. The team that Halas helped the most?

    YOURS.

    He was THE driving force for the NFL bringing a franchise to Minneapolis.
    Two confident renditions of the past that are completely contradictory. Gotta love these internet chats. :laugh:

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    It's too bad that Halas worked so very hard to get the Vikes included in the league, from my perspective.

    I can't help but think that if there were no Vikings, Caine would be a Packer fan and "defender", and his level of absolutely extraordinary b.s. could be put to use in a more positive endeavor. :P

    Now, at the same time, had the Pack in fact folded somewhere along the way and I became a Vikes fan, at least I know that not only would I be assisting in debunking so many silly misconceptions, someone here might actually believe me. :laugh:

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    Re: allow more publicly owned teams

    Quote Originally Posted by "dfosterf" #1089824
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1089820
    It's worth pointing out that the only reason Green Bay was publicly traded is because they couldn't maintain financial viability back in the early years. In fact, it's not widely known but George Halas saved the Green Bay franchise on more than one occasion.


    ...probably so he'd have 2 guaranteed wins per year...


    It's worth noting also that despite the alleged "success" of the Packers being publicly traded, no other franchise is ALLOWED to do so. Why is that? If it works so well there, why not allow other franchises to mirror that "success story"?

    Just another pro-Green Bay NFL contradiction to throw into the "Why I hate the Packers" bucket...


    ...like I needed more reasons...

    Caine

    The Green Bay Packers loaned Halas $1500 in 1932 in order to save the Chicago Bears franchise. He borrowed money from his mother, his mother-in-law, and the Pack.

    The Bears have never loaned the Packers a dime.

    Halas was instrumental in public relations in 1956 to convince Packer fans that it was wise to support their form of ownership. That is the FORM of his assistance... not anything financial. That is the "saved".

    Maybe it's the soft spot he held because without that loan way back in '32, the Bears would have folded right then and there.

    He did the same thing (public relations) in 1922 with the rest of the league as regards the Packers, having to do with their use of college football players. The league was going to ban the Pack, but he was guilty of the exact same rule infraction, including getting one of the players from the Pack, so in order to enforce prohibitions against the GB franchise, they would have had to do the same to the Bears.

    Those are your "saved" the Packers, and I guess to Norse mythologists, they are totally legit.

    Or maybe that one Bears fan buddy you have (Caine) that told you the Bears didn't try in week 17, thereby making that a fact (to you), lol

    Now, for some real facts. The team that Halas helped the most?

    YOURS.

    He was THE driving force for the NFL bringing a franchise to Minneapolis.
    I would favor mythology over revision I suppose.
    Fact is, The Chicago Cardinals and N.Y. Giants played a regular season NFL game at the Metrodome in 1959. Over 26000 fans showed up.

    Max Winter had been attemting to get an NFL team in the twin cities for a few years without success.

    The decision was made to start a new football league. And there was a meeting in Mpls. by those interested.

    In addition, the Chicago Cardinals were considering moving to the twin cities.

    The NFL was concerened about a competing league and decided to grant teams to Minnesota and Dallas.

    As Paul Harvey used to say, that's the rest of the story.

    Given your expertese in early NFL history, we probably should allow you brag about those 6 championships your team won before World War II!
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    The Vikings would have been an AFL team, not an NFL team.

    George Halas was the chair-head of the NFL expansion committee...you know, the guys that would DECIDE if the young upstarts get a team (the "other" side of the Vikes/NFL coin, with a 40 year league in existence)

    They squabbled over awarding a franchise to Minneapolis, and Halas was the lead champion for that cause.

    HE came up with the KEY compromise in that committee.

    The Vikings would be awarded an NFL franchise contingent upon selling 25,000 season tickets in 1961. They did so.

    If any other facts regarding the true progenitors of the Vikings as an NFL team are needed, I'll be happy to accomodate. Revisionist, hmph. B)

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