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    Quote Originally Posted by smegmavike View Post
    Teams with the franchise QB are usually restricted to finding a good deal of their talent in the draft, simply because of the cap implications of that QB's contract.
    The Vikings don't have a cap crippling QB, yet they don't have the cap space they should have, because they paid JA and AD. I think they deserved the money, but feel you need to invest in a great QB to realize the best return on your investment.
    I just wrote something similar in a different topic. It is a valid point.

    Jared Allen is not a bad player, but he is no longer elite. He is no longer young either. I stated last year that the Vikings should have attempted to trade him, but how many teams had both the cap space and chance at the ring last off-season? Not many, so the Vikings were stuck with Allen unless they wanted to release him outright. Perhaps Spielman and the coaches were deluded that their team was actually a good one before the 2013 season.

    Jared Allen will likely be gone. The Vikings need to sign Griffen or Greg Hardy if they want a great pass rush from the RDE, but Griffen is still an unknown when it comes to consistently defending the edge against a running attack. Michael Johnson is capable, but I have not seen elite play from him, yet. He defends the run well, but I do not see the burst capability to the quarterback that I see in Hardy.

    Perhaps Johnson took on more double teams this season, and that eroded his sacks, but one would have to believe Hardy takes on double teams too. Hardy has produced at all levels; he has been a disruptive wrecking machine against quarterbacks in college and the NFL.

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    Jared Allen, DE for the Minnesota Vikings at NFL.com

    His stats have come down a bit, but he is still effective. I think he wants a better chance at a superbowl than what the Vikings are going to be offering with a rookie QB and a who-dat vet leading the way. But, he does love MN due to his hunting, fishing etc hobbies...maybe none of the popular superbowl teams will have the cap space to sign him and he'll take a hometown discount, maybe?

    More likely, somebody like Atlanta, who has a QB with lots of weapons and needs pass rush will give him a bit less than he's expecting but a better chance at actually getting to and winning a championship.
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    Is Allen leaving?

    I'm curious about his current market value. I don't think it will be anywhere near what he has been making, but he is still a big name that will draw interest. I agree than MN probably won't dish out big money for him, but if he were to take a more reasonable contract, he could live on in MN. Playing for Zimmer I think would be incentive for Jared.

    In the end, I think Jared follows the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tastywaves View Post
    I'm curious about his current market value. I don't think it will be anywhere near what he has been making, but he is still a big name that will draw interest. I agree than MN probably won't dish out big money for him, but if he were to take a more reasonable contract, he could live on in MN. Playing for Zimmer I think would be incentive for Jared.

    In the end, I think Jared follows the money.
    But, the way Free Agency has played out the past two years, there just isn't the big money deals that players used to see due to the cap not growing like it was. Sure, a few guys get paid handsomely, usually young, i.e. coming off of their first contract and hitting their first big pay day, but for the most part, I'd bet none of our 3 FA DL get offered quite what they are hoping for.
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    Wouldn't mind having Allen but not for big money. Pay him what he's worth NOW or let him walk. It's a business decision either way and I hope he's happy with however it turns out. Good dude and he's been a helluva Viking.

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    In a dream scenario, JA waits to see our draft, is completely jack up on the prospects of what the viking will do next year, and decides to stay with us for less cash to be on a playoff bound team.

    Not likely, I know... but hey, its my pipe, let me dream!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainviking View Post
    But, the way Free Agency has played out the past two years, there just isn't the big money deals that players used to see due to the cap not growing like it was. Sure, a few guys get paid handsomely, usually young, i.e. coming off of their first contract and hitting their first big pay day, but for the most part, I'd bet none of our 3 FA DL get offered quite what they are hoping for.
    Agreed, with the new cap structure, FA is becoming a much better vehicle to fill holes without breaking the bank.

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    JA (IMHO) still commands respect on the line. His presence makes Robison and Griffen better. I say, restructure and keep him. Good dude, and great influence on the team. I say retire him as a Vike! (Of course, I don't run the Salary Cap budget...)
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    Restructure what?

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    Jared Allen's play is not nearly as bad as some on here want to make it out to be ... but the chances someone will be willing to overpay for him is too great for him to stick around here.

    I think he is still a focal point of opposing offenses and coordinators and can still just cause major problems on any given Sunday. For those reasons, I would love to see him stick around and retire a Viking. But, financially, re-signing Griffen matters more and will dip into the piggy bank. If we can land a younger Greg Hardy for the same price as Allen or cheaper ... then it would be the fiscally responsible move.

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